Which is the class would you duo / would like to always squad with?

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

As far of my gameplay, I have experienced a lot ingame (and I don't mean by level lol) especially as a barb. Learning how to use my barb, I learned a lot, especially with other classes

Now which class would you love to have duo or always have around? I will list from the class I would love to duo with to the least

#1 Venomancer: I honestly love duoing with venomancers, you can either support DD while her per tanks or you tank and she support DD. Its a great duo, especially with using charms too as a bonus. Skill wise, can output most damage, at least I think, Devour + amplify damage for maximum damage. I also believe at endgame these pair are a force to reckon with.

#2 Wizard: best magic damage AOE, on top of that, good healers. They can also be magic (fire, earth and water) tankers, or kite while you bash up with your humanoid skills and using knockbacks against mobs away from wizard while he / she heals. Or they can heal you while you tank, if your not taking that much damage, he or she can nuke.

#3 Cleric: best all round healers, never really need a charm when you have these guys around. He / she could just spam heal you or nuke. On side note, they might be able to tank / kite magic mobs, but its safer for you to do that

#4 Blade master: His / or her stuns are your great aid in teams, and bms can do even more damage with your defense debuff and you can gain more p.def from his buff. It doesn't matter who really tanks due to the skills. A really great melee combo

#5 Archer: he / she can pull, not tank, but pull, which you knock mobs back and then they knock back. and forcing mobs to just stay unable to attack for some time, which is great

#6 Barbarian: he is your twin in battle (not related XD), 2 different forms in 1 is a good combo imo, no need to switch MP much

#7 physic: he / she is somewhat similar to wizard but faster casts which is good. I haven't seen physics' full potential yet

#8 Assassin: honestly I believe another good melee DD, which can stack crits with buffs and HP stealing buff ( even though it doesn't leech that much, but it is for a while)

So my #1 pick is definitely venomancers as duo

Brutu - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Cleric. No more need for pots and still does some pretty nice damage.

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear · February 2010

voted veno b:victory

another few things why veno is nice to squad with:
1) Chi. I always do solo TT1-3 or TT2-2 with only a veno. With her Lending Hand skill, its a piece of cake to take down every boss.
2) bramble. Makes you hold aggro very easy, even while she spams skill, and her pet attacks too, i never have to FR.

(3=AMP but thats already mentioned xD )

Without her its way harder and takes twice as long.
Its an easy way to make money for both of us and we dont have to rush cause our squad is in a hurry. b:victory

b:bye

GohRaL - Sanctuary · February 2010

i voted VENO for the same reason uve posted:

-DD/tanking switchable options

-full sparking ability

-bramble and amp

having 2 physical meele and 1 range magic attack is the best option...

i prefer veno over cleric cuz the heal effect can be replaced by SUNDER or asking the veno to TANK until u get back on healt...

Belligero - Sanctuary · February 2010

Cleric. What an easy choice.

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I wonder why ppl vote cleric that often. Its not that i dislike clerics, but i just prefer veno...

Ill compare veno and cleric in cause you party with 1 of em. And since we are really talking about DUO's and not just squads, ill also include profit etc. in my calculations. b:chuckle

so here we go... Veno vs Cleric! b:shocked

Venos give you chi, Clerics just heal. I would chooce for more chi, makes me able to make my stand even without clerics. With sunder maxed and invoke, you can take down every normal boss. If you dont believe me, ill take you on a solo TT. I even dare to say im able to solo pyro in bh69 with a veno (without charm). ^^

Veno can tank too, so in case you fail, theres back up. If you duo with a cleric, you just die.. No1 will save you. b:surrender

Venos are able to deal more dmg, since they got AMP, as far i know clerics dont got any of this OP skills :P

Veno's bramble makes me able to keep aggro even without having me FR all nightmare long xD This is more useful then a cleric, since he/she will steal if you stop FRing or he/she can only be healing. Most times this isnt a problem, but in solo TT (just an exemple, but its not only here ofc) you just cant waste chi/time on FR, you have to focus on Alacrity and Sunder/invoke (and frighten/beastial rage etc).

And last but not least... Clerics need a charm, since they use tons of mana. Even charms wont last long. on the opposite, venos just use there boosts and soul transfusion to keep there mana filled. So less charm use -> less money needed to grind/TT/BH or whatever..

SO... conclusion: Venos rulez! b:victory
With a veno you got more dmg, more chi, more aggro and more money! you even got a higher chance of survival if the veno knows what to do in case of emergency! (for those who dont: Take aggro with pet, send chi to barb and spam pet heal till barb is back xD)

ok, now some1 tell me why you would like a cleric xD

MagicHamsta - Lost City · February 2010

me would choose cleric and barb because clerics can heal and barbs can tank....
o wait it be a Duo only so it be just me + one other?
me choose teh veno. (pet can tank + heal)
b:chuckle
xD

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I have only rarely squadded with a veno. My normal party squadmember was a cleric.

When one has a well rounded cleric in squad, the cleric can do some serious damage as well as keep me alive. When I was lvl77 or 78, I went into FF with just a cleric(lvl89.) We made it through the second boss (the sleep boss) before we just ran out of time.

I'll always choose a cleric over any other partner...as long as I know that cleric and his/her capabilities.

Cirax - Dreamweaver · February 2010

Cleric: Barb's best friend xD

HP is basically the only thing a barb is concerned about while slaughtering mobs. With a cleric, 1 or 2 IH and you're set: no charm ticks or pot spam.

Add buffs to that, and that cleric can be great DD's.

Of course, other classes are always fun to duo with for many reasons

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I kind of agree with Akai_Akuma, venoes have a lot more options than clerics. Sure venoes can't heal others. But rather chi, especially at 59 which you can recover HP with sunder.

I prefer venoes over any class whatsoever because of a lot of opportunities.

Wizards also follow after, they kind of have less opportunities than venoes, but good to have around.

clerics come after, and yes their seals are nice b:victory, they have a lot of skills to use, most of them are defensive ones. Well its because they are clerics b:laugh, really good duo.

I honestly love to squad with all the classes, but I sum it up that Venoes have the best choice for me

Belligero - Sanctuary · February 2010

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I wonder why ppl vote cleric that often. Its not that i dislike clerics, but i just prefer veno...

Ill compare veno and cleric in cause you party with 1 of em. And since we are really talking about DUO's and not just squads, ill also include profit etc. in my calculations. b:chuckle

so here we go... Veno vs Cleric! b:shocked

Venos give you chi, Clerics just heal. I would chooce for more chi, makes me able to make my stand even without clerics. With sunder maxed and invoke, you can take down every normal boss. If you dont believe me, ill take you on a solo TT. I even dare to say im able to solo pyro in bh69 with a veno (without charm). ^^

Veno can tank too, so in case you fail, theres back up. If you duo with a cleric, you just die.. No1 will save you. b:surrender

Venos are able to deal more dmg, since they got AMP, as far i know clerics dont got any of this OP skills :P

Veno's bramble makes me able to keep aggro even without having me FR all nightmare long xD This is more useful then a cleric, since he/she will steal if you stop FRing or he/she can only be healing. Most times this isnt a problem, but in solo TT (just an exemple, but its not only here ofc) you just cant waste chi/time on FR, you have to focus on Alacrity and Sunder/invoke (and frighten/beastial rage etc).

And last but not least... Clerics need a charm, since they use tons of mana. Even charms wont last long. on the opposite, venos just use there boosts and soul transfusion to keep there mana filled. So less charm use -> less money needed to grind/TT/BH or whatever..

SO... conclusion: Venos rulez! b:victory
With a veno you got more dmg, more chi, more aggro and more money! you even got a higher chance of survival if the veno knows what to do in case of emergency! (for those who dont: Take aggro with pet, send chi to barb and spam pet heal till barb is back xD)

ok, now some1 tell me why you would like a cleric xD

Clerics has more buffs and they can revive. They heal, which can save your charm if you have one. With cleric, there's no reason one should fail in the first place. They may not be able to amplify damage or bramble, but they sure as hell do a lot more damage than Venos [well non-arcane Veno], and they have a 20 second opening to DD when you use invoke. When you fall, a veno just has to go on without you, but a cleric can escape you can come back for revenge.

Cybetron - Harshlands · February 2010

Clerics - an obvious choice...

Buffs, heals and Revives - as a barb you can solo most of the bosses/caves with a good cleric by your side...

Lycanthar - Sanctuary · February 2010

I always thought I would eventually marry a cleric in game, but when I found my veno wifey that all changed b:victory

Untamed luv ftw b:dirty

MagicVos - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Belligero - Sanctuary wrote: »

Clerics has more buffs and they can revive. They heal, which can save your charm if you have one. With cleric, there's no reason one should fail in the first place. They may not be able to amplify damage or bramble, but they sure as hell do a lot more damage than Venos [well non-arcane Veno], and they have a 20 second opening to DD when you use invoke. When you fall, a veno just has to go on without you, but a cleric can escape you can come back for revenge.

they can have more buffs true. but a cleric dont have the time to DD because he/she has to spam heal you. and i can save you too but on a other way. take aggro and gonna tank till you are back up.

Belligero - Sanctuary · February 2010

Like I said, Clerics have a 20 second opening every minute to unleash their arsenal with Invoke.

Although, I admit, Venomancers would have been my second choice. Then Wizzies third.

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear · February 2010

ok, here is some easy maths for u :P

u say that you can use invoke asap when its able to recast, but i wonder if you got enough chi for that...

with dual axes, you att rate is 0.83 hits/sec. Thats almost 1.2 sec/hit
we get 5 chi/ hit -> you need to hit 40 times for invoke, that should be do-able in 50 sec...

BUT as a tank you need to spam FR!

so we can hit 50 times in a minute (1.2*50= 60 sec)
thats 250 chi
but we FR once every 4.2 sec (around 14 times a minute). so this will use 280 chi!

you wont have any chi left when you also need to spam FR, so heck no! clerics cant DD 20 sec/min. a barb cant keep up with that b:surrender

thats why im saying: take a veno! they can DD all allong since they dont have to heal you, and you wont lose aggro due bramble. you will also have enough chi to be able to sunder/invoke whatever you want b:pleased

Astoru - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Well, I started back in 08, so choosing was an easy task for me.

Take a 6 sided dice, assign one class per side, and roll.

Lycanthar - Sanctuary · February 2010

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok, here is some easy maths for u :P

u say that you can use invoke asap when its able to recast, but i wonder if you got enough chi for that...

with dual axes, you att rate is 0.83 hits/sec. Thats almost 1.2 sec/hit
we get 5 chi/ hit -> you need to hit 40 times for invoke, that should be do-able in 50 sec...

BUT as a tank you need to spam FR!

so we can hit 50 times in a minute (1.2*50= 60 sec)
thats 250 chi
but we FR once every 4.2 sec (around 14 times a minute). so this will use 280 chi!

you wont have any chi left when you also need to spam FR, so heck no! clerics cant DD 20 sec/min. a barb cant keep up with that b:surrender

thats why im saying: take a veno! they can DD all allong since they dont have to heal you, and you wont lose aggro due bramble. you will also have enough chi to be able to sunder/invoke whatever you want b:pleased

lvl 87? for real?

Bestial Rage, Alacrity, Surf Impact, Frigthen, Roar.

Barbs can't tank and build chi? plz ;p

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear · February 2010

wheter you spam skills or just hit, wont really make a difference, and soz, i did forget beastial rage, but it works 20sec/min, so lets say you make another 70 chi/min

then you will still need 5 min to invoke

Accel - Raging Tide · February 2010

As an assasin, archer or psychic as a partner.

Brutu - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »

wheter you spam skills or just hit, wont really make a difference, and soz, i did forget beastial rage, but it works 20sec/min, so lets say you make another 70 chi/min

then you will still need 5 min to invoke

I need invoke?b:laugh

Ulfhednar - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »

ok, here is some easy maths for u :P

u say that you can use invoke asap when its able to recast, but i wonder if you got enough chi for that...

with dual axes, you att rate is 0.83 hits/sec. Thats almost 1.2 sec/hit
we get 5 chi/ hit -> you need to hit 40 times for invoke, that should be do-able in 50 sec...

BUT as a tank you need to spam FR!

so we can hit 50 times in a minute (1.2*50= 60 sec)
thats 250 chi
but we FR once every 4.2 sec (around 14 times a minute). so this will use 280 chi!

you wont have any chi left when you also need to spam FR, so heck no! clerics cant DD 20 sec/min. a barb cant keep up with that b:surrender

thats why im saying: take a veno! they can DD all allong since they dont have to heal you, and you wont lose aggro due bramble. you will also have enough chi to be able to sunder/invoke whatever you want b:pleased

not only did y u forget about bestial rage but you also forgot about frighten (gives 20 chi every 15 seconds)and roar (which also gives 20 chi but every 60 seconds and it resets aggro correct?) if you keep doing what you are doing you are never going to be bale to keep your chi up if you don't keep yourself at around 2 sparks at least...you will fail...hard

don't forget about 89+ possibilities with sage 50 chi instantly every 60 seconds and sage bestial rage witch you get 6 chi per hit taken for 15 seconds instead of 10

while soloing with a cleric i can alternate sunder and invoke no problem letting them not heal me as much and dd as well. although venos are nice to play along with, i don't think i would want to go any ware without cleric buffs b:pleased

and someone said somethign about clerics having to spam iron heart to keep a barb healed... clerics can heal barbs in tt on most bosses without using a single mana pot ( for sure 89+ sage clerics) but that is with a full squad eventually the mana use will catch up if it is solo with a barb.

GohRaL - Sanctuary · February 2010

im gonna say one word: GENIE b:dirty
with genies you can heal yourself very often with ToP

now every1 has a genie, and u can use it for very long time without spending a single coin...

1. genie starts with 20.000 stamina
2. 500 perfect stones from stash quest level 40

IMO you should take them as granted in every squad b:victory

then BARB can have many option to HEAL:

-genies
-sparks
-sunder
-potions
-charms(b:spit)

when HEAL is down/CD you can always use your skill (u r tank right b:puzzled), apothecary and guess what ? genies again

so i prefer duo with a veno for reason many have already posted

the only thing i envy from cleric is REVIVE...

but wait im a barb, I CANT DIE =P

Jibreel - Harshlands · February 2010

voted for cleric. heres my priority :P :
1. Cleric - I die without em xD
2. BM - AOE dmg
3. Archer - High dmg right?
4. Veno - Luring is fastr and better

PS: yeah. this might not be right.. im noob :P

Dagnatic - Sanctuary · February 2010

Personaly its a tie up between a Veno and a cleric,
Cleric's have saved my **** on many occasions but they have also got me killed many times round and givin me some prity boaring lecturs on how to play MY barb.

Venos yeah pritty sick squading with. They have it all they can Tank with there pets and heal there pets which means you get to just sit back and slam the **** outa the boss/mobs with out any Hp loss

Which is the class would you duo / would like to always squad with?

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