Veno players please read - PvP usage of bramble

bramble rage works, psychic move works, bramble guard works, hood's reflect does not.
have a good day

Bramble guard only works in these PvP situations - TW cube PK Tourny, it doesnt not work in regular PK

Bramble rage does not reflect damage

Bramble Hood reflects only in cube TW and PK Tourny

Soul of Mirror (psychic) reflects 150 damage? WOW that's definately something to complain about.

Bramble hood works in any PK situation... and in duals too. Not just TW and PK tourny. Its one of my most fav things to do when i see a pk coming my way.

It blocks 75% of damage, but does not reflect 200% as it is supposed to, Furfuf. I can definitely confirm this, and it's known that it was nerfed to this. That said, ignoring useless trolls like waffle--the only thread in general abour bramble rage in PvP says -nothing- about it reflecting. As toad said, it does not--I agree that either psychic reflection skills need to be nerfed too or ours should be restored. I think it is unlikely.

On a related note, no, bramble rage is not reflective, but what about the reflective part of Alpha male? Does that work PvP? I've never seen anyone try it, so... I have no idea. I suspect that it does not, though, since the other reflective spell--Reflective Aura--specifically states that it does not work open PvP. So I lean toward psychics needing a nerf more than brambles being un-nerfed. *shrug*

That said, ignoring useless trolls like waffle

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=578082

currently in gen discussion. seriously, she asked if it does, and there is a thread already talking about it saying it does. the only useless thing here is your worthless sentence insulting people with your misinformation.

learn the definition of troll: someone who purposely posts inflammatory or derogatory remarks in order to stimulate an emotional reaction out of others for pure amusement. stating her answer, and saying have a good day is REALLY trolling, amirite?

Maybe if you actually knew what bramble rage did... But obviously you do not. See the last post in that thread, as well as the people being wtfed by the person confusing bramble rage with bramble hood. Yes, it works in PvP, but considering that it does not reflect damage, that is irrelevant to the discussion here.

Ecatomb Description wrote:

Genie lvl 60
Spirit 18.480
Metal 6 - Earth 7

Range 25 meters
Energy 140
Stamina 1055
Instant
Cooldown 60 seconds
Requisite Class All

Summons thorny brambles around your target and all enemies within 15 meters.
Causes 1185 Earth and Wood damage and interrupts their spell channeling.

Dexerity: Every Genie Dexterity point increases the Wood damage by 14.
Dexerity: Every Genie Dexterity point increases the Earth damage by 6.

Only usable on the ground.

Causes triple damage to targets on the ground.

^-- Also the description when you go to learn it at watcher of the earth.

Genie Skill Inquiry in game wrote:

Bramble Rage
Max Level: 10
Requisite Points: Metal 6, Earth 7
Learned at Level: 60, 65, 70, 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, 100, 100
Deals Wood damge to multiple targets within designated range and reduces their Chi.

While this is inaccurate to the skill description for learning/after learned, neither version says anything about reflecting damage. Furthermore, having actually had the skill used on me multiple times and having considered getting it myself, I think I know what I'm talking about. You could've bothered to look up the skill before posting.

Please get your facts straight. Really, toad posted it once. kthx.

Edit:

To the OP: I'm sorry for getting into that argument in your thread, but when someone posts something that is blatantly wrong and rudely trying to refute those who know what they're talking about, it is irritating. Considering that none of the genie reflective skills work PvP, it sounds like the more likely form of redress, if we get any, will be psychic skills being nerfed the way all the rest are. No, I haven't noticed that, though--I'll time it later to see if my results agree.

My post, prior to the edit, was written with regard to Waffle, not yourself. I editted my post upon reading your post, which had not been posted at the time of posting.

And honestly, you're misreading that thread. Nowhere in it has anyone said that bramble rage reflects damage PvP. The OP asked "Does bramble rage work PvP?" The reply was generally:
A. Did you mean the veno skill? No, it doesn't. Veno bramble hood only stops damage.
B. Yes, bramble rage works PvP.

B is quite correct, because the skill bramble rage works quite well in PvP to do damage, but it is not a reflection skill. PWI skill descriptions are not always correct, but if it was somehow so, I believe I would be aware of it since I've seen it used and had it used on me by people I was fighting. If you see a post in that thread saying that bramble rage reflects damage, could you please quote it for me?

Edit again: No, he is the third poster in your thread who posted a skill description of what bramble rage actually does before I did.

Toad - Lost City wrote: »

When did Bramble Rage reflect dmg? o.Ob:shocked.
This is what bramble rage does....
Summons thorny brambles around your target and all enemies within 15 meters.
Causes 1185 Earth and Wood damage and interrupts their spell channeling.b:bye

I agree, it would be very nice to have it fixed. I don't think it's very likely, but I still do hope for it as well. Might I suggest you post about it in the suggestions forum as well?

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Yes, I just did some tests, but my results seem inconclusive. Twice, I had a slight latency between hitting the skill and seeing it cast. Those times, it seemed to only last 10 seconds. But on a third trial, I had no latency and it lasted the full 15. I'll do more trials on a day when I have less lag, though, since my other skills seem to be lagging a little too. I suspect that the lost seconds are from lag, but I'll get back to you on further results....

Psychics are Overpowered, this is already quite obvious in my opinion, this skill:

"Soul of Retaliation (level 1)

Self cast only.
If you are afflicted with a negative status effect,
the caster will also be afflicted with the same status.
Reduces the damage you take by 0.05 of your Soulforce.
Reflects damage on your attacker equal 0.05 of your Soulforce.
This effect will reduces your mana by 100.
The effect will end upon a successful damage reflection.
Lasts for 30 seconds.

Soul of Retaliation shares a 30 second cooldown with Soul of Stunning. "

(Imagine this if it works on a Nix bleed or a Cleric Sleep, note that i'm not saying it works, just predicting... I never really tested it.)

And also this skill:
"Psychic Will (level1)

Removes any negative status from the target, and the target becomes immune to physical damage for 5.3 seconds."

They are pretty much godly... and they are only two of their lvl 59 skills.
Now about Bramble Hood... I believe it still absorbs the 75% damage? It seemed that to me when i tested, but I'm a Veno so maybe I wasn't doing enough physical damage with the weapon on my Veno opponent. But assuming that neither Bramble Guard or Hood work on PvP, why Venos can't have their skills that reflects MELEE damage on PvP and Psychics can have their skill (Psychics skill im refering is other than the ones I refered) that reflects ALL damage type working on PvP?

(P.S-> I'm not sure if the Psychic skill reflects ALL damage, but as far as I know when a Psychic buffed me with it and another Psychic attacked me his damage was shortenned a lot, and Psychics deal magic damage.)

Important: They also have this good buff that Venos can't debuff... I mean WTH? A buff that can't be debuffed?! We even debuff sparks! T.T
(I assume that their skill is a buff because it's a positive effect.)

I know I haven't talked about Bramble Rage wich is what this thread also talks about but in my opinion even without Bramble Rage there are reasons to Nerf Psy's or Un-Nerf Venos, etc as I say below.

And they said Venomancers are overpowered...

My suggestion: Nerf Psychics or Un-Nerf Venomancers or Add new skills God-Like to ALL other classes so they can defend from the Psychics/Tideborns.
It would even be good to the storyline: "As the war against the wraiths kept rolling the previous classes in Perfect World learnt new skills as result of their interaction with the recently resurfaced Tideborns, so all classes should unite now in order to prevail against wraiths"
Also, some Tideborns are previous classes old users, so they know how they work and act. New skills would make them have to learn again and add kind of a new playing dimension when it comes to PvP.

Edit:
It would also not annoy psychics.

This is just my opinion at the moment. =]

This is the first time i'm posting on forums please don't be rough on me xD Plus! I'm this low lvl but I'm pro noob, because I've wasted much time on my other accounst testing the classes =P

OP used the wrong name for the skill she was describing, and its an understandable mistake given the icon for the skill looks like a red version of the bramble guard buff icon that appears next to your name when you are brambled.
this is the skill she is obviously referring too.

Skill
	Reflective Aura 	Level 10
	Genie lvl 56
	Spirit ? (?)
	Wood 4 - Water 3 - Fire 1
	
	Energy 70
Stamina 800
Instant
Cooldown 30 seconds
Requisite Class Blademaster, Barbarian

Reflect Magic damage.
Lasts for 2 seconds.
Up to a Maximum of 100.000 damage will be reflected.

Strength: Every 24 Genie Strength points increases the duration by 1 second.

/NiKi - Lost City wrote: »

it reduces dmg but its not reflecting it

I guess i had a glitch the one time it reflected for me... im not going to argue with a 9x though lol It could have just been in a dream of mine. (Its sad when PWI invades your dreams.

bramble guard works against pets.

eh it is a little unfair. maybe hood is a little op, but at least bramble guard should work in pvp to deal a little more damage...

This tread is hilarious. Not only do we have flesh ream, a bugged pet skill with no pvp-reduction that molests any robe/la armour user. We have armor break, purge, amp that stacks with extreme poison, get more hp per vit than any other caster,we run fast and can kite easily, get crazy phy def in foxform, have good dps, have ranged stuns/seals and yes get an amazing OP chicken called nix pretty cheap.

And now people actually think we should be able to reflect 200% dmg back in pvp to b:chuckle

God how damn OP do you guys want venos to be lolol, we already have some of the best skills in the game.