Golem's worth...
jeankalel
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I know herc is the best tanker pet...b:surrender But when it comes to tanking is a golem (specifically glacial walker) really not good enough..? I mean is a veno with only a golem pet cannot perform well in TT or boss tanking... even if she's a high lvl..? I know I may sound cheap defending golems over hercs... But the looks of the glacial walker is much better than a herc who looks like an overgrown couch potato...b:chuckle And dark wanderer as for me is the best looking who looks like nazgul of Lord of the Rings...b:pleased If I stick with wanderer will I regret in the end...b:sad Thanks...
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For me it alright you can pick the pet you like then edit the skill so it can be used for many situation.
Though many fellow veno won't agree with you b:shocked . . . and many people in high lv will force you to change pet so you won't rejected by squad. b:cry
What a irony for good looking pets. b:sad[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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im trying to find a tank pet as well i just started the game i am now only level 20 b:surrender i am still debaiting between glacial walker and the wanderer as well which one is better? hp and defense wise0
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I refuse to get a herc (first, I'm getting a nix) when I get the coin/cash to buy one. I'm quite content with my golem and I'm aware I'm gimping my squad experience.
Oh well, 70% of squads are idiots anyway. b:bye Would rather just stay away from them.
(the best veno is an anti-social recluse one!
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The new golem is pretty darn good.
But, there are things you want to tank that it can't at level. And at high levels, things it can't tank at all which the herc can.
Whether that matters to you or not is another thing, of course.0 -
My experience changed a bit since I got the Herc. I'm able to tank some things on my own without the presence of a barb or a cleric and I can AoE grind easier.
But...I still have my Golem...as he saved my batoosh quite a few times and I don't have the heart to give him up. XD
IMO, if Herc wasn't existing here, things would be tanked like they're supposed to *cough* by barbs *cough* and venos get to continue simply luring mobs. ):<0 -
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my magmite can tank 1-1 and 1-2-i was in the million dolla meetins he was cheatin. all up in the church, he was sneakin with the deacon. cats away while the mice will play lol smiley face have a nicer day. cuz pop pop po it goes my rubber band so stop stop stop sniffin that contraband. cuz you was penny pinchin my accounts laced attenion! about face.
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i love my glacial walker! is so strong and he can tank mobs lvl 40+
while he is lvl 37!
as for the ppl who want veno with herc i have to say 3 things:
1. herc is expensive pet and not all the venos had
2. a veno with herc isnt nessesary expirienced enough to tank some bosses
(especially if the veno bought the pet through cash shop with real money
from the start of the game and s/he dont know how to use it)
3. the ppl who want only this type of veno they have to wait for long till they
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AinaMizuako - Sanctuary wrote: »I refuse to get a herc (first, I'm getting a nix) when I get the coin/cash to buy one. I'm quite content with my golem and I'm aware I'm gimping my squad experience.
Oh well, 70% of squads are idiots anyway. b:bye Would rather just stay away from them.
(the best veno is an anti-social recluse one!
Then how are you going to do your high end lvl dungeons like Brimstone?You are going to do it on your own with your Golem?Don't forget about your FB99 I wonder how Golems do in there as compared to a Herc.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
Go with what YOU want.
I still use my starter pet as my main, and I highly doubt that will ever change. He is my only pet who is up to my level, currently, though I am leveling up a Glacial Walker, for special circumstances.
I'm very grateful that I have my faction, which accepts and even seems to like that I'm not a sheep - I haven't followed everyone one else's decision that you have to have a herc and/or nix to "be the best". I know how to pull better than a lot of other venos I've worked with, and my faction loves me for it. I also know my and my wolf's limits, so we don't get anyone, including ourselves, killed, haha. Occasionally, my wolf surprises me, such as a few days ago, when he and I tanked Fushma and Rankar.
I stuck with my wolf for mainly two reasons - 1) I HATE change, and getting used to something new. Granted, sometimes you just don't have a choice, but this time, I did, and I chose to stick with what I know. 2) I'm loyal in quite a few respects, and this apparently extends to my ingame pets. XD Silly, I know, but I don't care.Katzyn, level 101 Demon Veno
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Thank you, i am currently quite fine with my Glacial Walker, he has saved my butt with that Roar skill many times. Do i want a herc, yes. can i get one right now, nope. and about the squads, just either find a good nice faction, or make some friends ingame. my faction likes that im the "luring veno" and i do a great job in doing that.Katzyn - Sanctuary wrote: »Go with what YOU want.
I still use my starter pet as my main, and I highly doubt that will ever change. He is my only pet who is up to my level, currently, though I am leveling up a Glacial Walker, for special circumstances.
I'm very grateful that I have my faction, which accepts and even seems to like that I'm not a sheep - I haven't followed everyone one else's decision that you have to have a herc and/or nix to "be the best". I know how to pull better than a lot of other venos I've worked with, and my faction loves me for it. I also know my and my wolf's limits, so we don't get anyone, including ourselves, killed, haha. Occasionally, my wolf surprises me, such as a few days ago, when he and I tanked Fushma and Rankar.
I stuck with my wolf for mainly two reasons - 1) I HATE change, and getting used to something new. Granted, sometimes you just don't have a choice, but this time, I did, and I chose to stick with what I know. 2) I'm loyal in quite a few respects, and this apparently extends to my ingame pets. XD Silly, I know, but I don't care.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Golems are fine at low to mid levels. Starting around level 50 (particularly the FB51 bosses), bosses start to develop two traits which doom the golems.I know herc is the best tanker pet...b:surrender But when it comes to tanking is a golem (specifically glacial walker) really not good enough..? I mean is a veno with only a golem pet cannot perform well in TT or boss tanking... even if she's a high lvl..?
1. They start to hit harder. FB51 wyvern actually has a pdef debuff, but the net result is the same. You won't be able to heal your golem fast enough to keep it alive if you're doing this with a golem in the 51-55 range. FB59 bosses are out of the question at 60 (even a regular FB59 mob with increased or sacrificial attack can kill a 60 golem - I've tried). Putting the herc Strong skill on your golem would theoretically help it here. But I think most would agree that you're much better off taking the money you'd pay for the skill and applying it to your herc fund.
2. Magic attacks start being more common. More and more bosses switch from just melee attacks or melee + weak magic attacks, to melee + strong magic attacks. Your golem may survive the melee attacks, but its weapon mdef usually means it gets one-shot by the magic attack. You can get the herc Protect skill for your golem, but its weak base mdef means this will just put your golem's magic tanking ability about on-par with regular pets with high mdef.
Certain high-level bosses are still melee-only, and in many cases a sufficiently-high level golem could tank them (though sometimes you need 2-3 venos healing it). But the vast majority of high-level bosses have the above two traits, making them very difficult or impossible to tank with a golem. If you don't get a herc, you'd actually probably have a better chance tanking them with a shadou cub or armored bear (which have their own host of disadvantages).0 -
I would like to say that my Glacial works great for me right now. I would also like to say that I am saving for a herc, but will not dismiss my golem.
I also roll with an eldergoth and tree frog. Both have advantages to fighting bosses. The eldergoth is a ranged pet and can keep me out of AOE range. It also has good defenses. The tree frog has serious mdef but not so great attack. Either way, if one dies... Another comes out. That has saved me many many times.
I do agree that the herc is awesome, but no squad should dismiss a person with a glacial.0 -
(Sorry for my bad English, it's not my first language!)
To be honest, I wanted a Herc until I found a guide about the pet stats. Herc is better of course, especially with skills. But the Golem is definitely the best "free" pet (Glacial Walker because of better m.def) and I think I will stick with it... Why? Because...
1. Herc costs 70-90mil coins?! Or 150-200 dollars... Holy cow! o.o I ain't gonna spend that much on pixels! I have kids to feed. And I'd rather spend my coins on equips. PLUS the pet food...
2. Golem eats pure water... Herc eats hay and meat, right? So expensive O_o
3. Playing with a Golem isn't hard... I call it more challenging / less boring (:
4. Golem looks definitely better than Herc (especially Glacial).
And, I find it very rude when people don't squad with a Veno just because she doesn't have a Herc... Not everyone has 200 dollars / 90mil coin to buy one. A Veno with Golem can be effective too, maybe she heals her pet more often, but who cares? =/Active player since January 2010.0 -
AinaMizuako - Sanctuary wrote: »I refuse to get a herc (first, I'm getting a nix) when I get the coin/cash to buy one. I'm quite content with my golem and I'm aware I'm gimping my squad experience.
Oh well, 70% of squads are idiots anyway. b:bye Would rather just stay away from them.
(the best veno is an anti-social recluse one!
i got my nix first, thinking a herc was not essential.
i got my herc 2 days later. also, an anti-social veno really cant affort NOT to have a herc.0 -
SuperFireFly - Harshlands wrote: »I do agree that the herc is awesome, but no squad should dismiss a person with a glacial.
I've been in FF with 95+ BMs, Barbs, Clerics, etc with lvl 80 weapons which should have been dismissed. -Same with Hercless venos. At that level, a Herc is like equipment and should be weighed as important.Herc is better of course, especially with skills. But the Golem is definitely the best "free" pet (Glacial Walker because of better m.def) and I think I will stick with it...
Glacial Walker is slow, lacks range, and any rare skills. It is made obsolete by a Herc and is therefore a waste to invest in. "Best" is a matter of opinion, as there are many pets that can out perform a Herc at various tasks, but I doubt a Glacial Walker is one of them.Why? Because...
1. Herc costs 70-90mil coins?! Or 150-200 dollars... Holy cow! o.o I ain't gonna spend that much on pixels! I have kids to feed. And I'd rather spend my coins on equips. PLUS the pet food...
It's only 70-90m coins if you're not competent at or able to be a merchant. After level 70, that kind of coin shouldn't be out of reach, and if it is: you're going to fall behind in skills and equip as well.2. Golem eats pure water... Herc eats hay and meat, right? So expensive O_o
I've bought perfect cookies for 10k ea which restore loyalty by 200. Herc's value in OHT, Forest, etc more than makes up for the difference there.3. Playing with a Golem isn't hard... I call it more challenging / less boring (:
This kind of statement only comes from those inexperienced. This game is as difficult or challenging as YOU make it. The Herc ads dynamic to the game making it less boring.4. Golem looks definitely better than Herc (especially Glacial).
I would rather spread my legs for a Herc than a Glacial. -C'mon!And, I find it very rude when people don't squad with a Veno just because she doesn't have a Herc... Not everyone has 200 dollars / 90mil coin to buy one. A Veno with Golem can be effective too, maybe she heals her pet more often, but who cares? =/
oh, now it's 90m as opposed to 70-90m. Obviously a lot of people care if she has to heal her pet more often since squads request a veno with Herc.
Glacial doesn't come with Strong, Protect, or Reflect. The avg price of those skills equals the amount of the Herc (scales with economy). Throwing those skills on a Glacial yields a far inferior pet at the same cost.
An Eldergoth Marksman can tank some world bosses far before a Herc can, an Ethereal Inamorato or Celestial Sting can out perform on Array Guards in OHT, and Harpies in FF. An L2 Scorpion can out DD a Herc on non [?] when certain skills are applied. A Crystaline Magmite with Strong could have better pdef than a Herc, requiring less healing power (but isn't practical).
My advice is to not waste your coin or time on pets that can be replaced by a Herc or Nix, but to spend time instead on pets that can out perform your future Herc or Nix at certain tasks.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
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Well, whatever floats your boat xD I won't get a Herc. I'd rather spend 70mil on good equipment :S Plus, I get about 300k / day. It would take me 233 days to get a Herc, lol... And, I bet it will cost 150mil+ by then. (It was only 20mil a year ago???). I'll get bored of PWI before reaching that x) So why bother... :SActive player since January 2010.0
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About the Herc (mainly) and such.
I won't get a herc, or its bulky free varieties/counterparts.
I'll wait until they get a land pet for veno that doesn't look like it both failed every grade in school and has an IQ below 1. Why can't pets be elegant and have good stats as well? Wouldn't a smart or presentable pet be a nice change?
Seriously, why pay to get something so ugly and uninspired? (I know I know, stats)
"Lets make a pet... a ridiculously over-statted one so they get REALLY tempted to give us cash... oh yes! Lets make it look like it was flushed down a nuclear fallout shelters latrine as well. Thats hawt."
Did a super mutant win the "most appealing traveling companion" contest or what? The other combatants minus the Nix (which is nice, but can't go some places) aren't that more endearingly rendered. Take a good hard look at a magmite and compare it to other universes renditions of pet characters. Yeah, Perfect World needs a revamp in the pet area.
I will remain with my flashy looking Wanderer. It can tank with the right skills, it can do around as much damage as scorp as far as I know from looking at charts.. oh its also on par with what something you stare at for hours on end to get to large levels should look like: Awesome.
Its just too bad that they can't simply balance every pet statistically (or at least take it a step in that direction) and allow us to choose what we want to use in the game. If every class -should- be balanced, every pet should be balanced at the same level.
Paying for aesthetics, etc.. I understand. Clothing has undergone a major improvement since I came back.0 -
well before pwi got big that's all they did charge for. wile the games item shop still isn't game ruining like most mmos. i agree it was a lame thing to do. but i dont blame them all out. people requiring someone to spend 200$ on there char to join there squad they are far worse then anything the devs can toss at you via item shop. a veno is not your frigging tank there a off tank at best they are your nucker/pulling class in a party and the kings of solo. barbs are your tanks. and sometimes a caster type for magic type bosses yes a cleric can tank fb52 due to there high magic def.
hercs simply added tanking ability to a veno making them barbs without repair cost. yes its nice for a barb but it should be conserd a luxury not a requirement. the point in herc was to make venos more accepted in high end bh runs due to them just being unwanted at those levels. charging 200$ is way overbord.0 -
Well, whatever floats your boat xD I won't get a Herc. I'd rather spend 70mil on good equipment :S Plus, I get about 300k / day. It would take me 233 days to get a Herc, lol... And, I bet it will cost 150mil+ by then. (It was only 20mil a year ago???). I'll get bored of PWI before reaching that x) So why bother... :S
As I believe Solandri has pointed out, there is more coin available in the game and merchanting has become more profitable to adjust to the avg cost increase. I also believe you have it easier now because great equips are stupid cheap and skill prices have plummeted. What I see is excuses for not putting in the time or effort that many others have.Sahfykun - Heavens Tear wrote: »About the Herc (mainly) and such.
I won't get a herc, or its bulky free varieties/counterparts.
I'll wait until they get a land pet for veno that doesn't look like it both failed every grade in school and has an IQ below 1. Why can't pets be elegant and have good stats as well? Wouldn't a smart or presentable pet be a nice change?
Seriously, why pay to get something so ugly and uninspired? (I know I know, stats)
"Lets make a pet... a ridiculously over-statted one so they get REALLY tempted to give us cash... oh yes! Lets make it look like it was flushed down a nuclear fallout shelters latrine as well. Thats hawt."
Did a super mutant win the "most appealing traveling companion" contest or what? The other combatants minus the Nix (which is nice, but can't go some places) aren't that more endearingly rendered. Take a good hard look at a magmite and compare it to other universes renditions of pet characters. Yeah, Perfect World needs a revamp in the pet area.
I will remain with my flashy looking Wanderer. It can tank with the right skills, it can do around as much damage as scorp as far as I know from looking at charts.. oh its also on par with what something you stare at for hours on end to get to large levels should look like: Awesome.
Its just too bad that they can't simply balance every pet statistically (or at least take it a step in that direction) and allow us to choose what we want to use in the game. If every class -should- be balanced, every pet should be balanced at the same level.
Paying for aesthetics, etc.. I understand. Clothing has undergone a major improvement since I came back.
If aesthetics is all you care about, why not roll another class and go with the all class pets?Slashreaver - Heavens Tear wrote: »people requiring someone to spend 200$ on there char to join there squad they are far worse then anything the devs can toss at you via item shop. a veno is not your frigging tank there a off tank at best they are your nucker/pulling class in a party and the kings of solo. barbs are your tanks. and sometimes a caster type for magic type bosses yes a cleric can tank fb52 due to there high magic def.
hercs simply added tanking ability to a veno making them barbs without repair cost. yes its nice for a barb but it should be conserd a luxury not a requirement. the point in herc was to make venos more accepted in high end bh runs due to them just being unwanted at those levels. charging 200$ is way overbord.
$200 isn't required to obtain a Herc, that's misleading information. Venos have lower operating costs than Barbs and should have no problem affording what is commonly expected of them by a certain level. As I've already posted: All classes should also be expected to have proper equipments. We just have less of those other classes being poorly equipped because too many play veno so they can bypass needs. What other class can get an equipment that can scale with it like a Herc or Nix? If anything the Herc and Nix are under priced.
Most often BH runs don't use a Herc as a boss Tank as it's far from ideal for bosses like Stygean, Polearm, etc.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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