grinding for money 20-60 guide

for archers, the easiest way to save pots is to lvl take aim, winged shell and knockback to 10. (take aim, ns, knockback, shell, ns till dead) i take 80-200 dmg per kill, (wich means my shield does not break, and regenerates most of the mana i just used)

for the "but shell takes chi argument" that i know is coming, i can asure you you get back more than enough chi from killing to make up for casting shield. (you get 25 chi from take aim and knockback, so 4 normal shots should do it. if you somehow dont have enough chi, cast a non charged take aim for 15)

i disagree.

go win a darwin award.

the thread name is GRINDING for money, ergo, your guide is about as fail as you are.

Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »

lol you are just butthurt that my guide rocks

you are further butthurt because after reading my guide you have come to realise that grinding in game is pointless and you have been wasting your time

go grind IRL as a cashier at some supermarket

it is more effecient and equally boring

this guide is completely obsolete

grinding doesnt even exist from 20-60 anymore

I want to let you know, that there are other players at this forum.

They have their own opinions.

Please, not spam at threads of this forum.

Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »

oh the hypocrisy b:chuckle

am i not entitled to state my opinion?

Seriously, you have made 2 threads today with useless trolling, and failed, and now you start trolling other peoples threads?

Wake up, you're a wannabee troll,and its obviously not working, go do your homework now or something, stop wasting peoples time here.
b:bye

actually her point got tackled already, multiple times, and if she knew that well how to get rich ingame, she wouldntve made a thread for people to donate her nirvana gear

Great guide you have here. It has helped me greatly. I didn't believe the speed in which you can level, I've had to use the genie trick too. Thanks for this great guide.

Deviling - Harshlands wrote: »

@Maiira My genie is level 20. I did not understand the genie trick. How come you can level all your genies to level 57 while i am reaching 40 and my first genie is still 20 ?

You're supposed to dump ALL of your exp to it. It will seize your leveling altogether until it's at your level.

lymphocyte wrote: »

that is incorrect. if somebody works 5 hours a week, assuming they make minimum wage they would be making $35 a week. and the way gold prices are now, $35= 14mil

Perhaps a more useful metric is comparing earning rates in-game vs. in RL:

Federal minimum wage is $7.25/hr.
Assuming you pay 20% in taxes, that's a net $5.80/hr.
Gold seems to be about 400k.
So that's equivalent to 2.32 million coin/hr.

Unless you have a way to make 2.3 million coin per hour or more in the game, you are better off getting the part-time job (admittedly can be difficult in this economy) and spending the $$$ you earn on the game. This also has several other advantages:

• You'll be receiving value (money) for your time, instead of just receiving nothing or paying someone else (PWE) for their time. This will increase your sense of self-worth.
• Your employer gets useful work done in exchange for the wages they pay you. You'll be contributing to the global economic recovery. Killing mobs in the game helps nobody.
• The Social Security and Medicare taxes you pay will come back to you when you retire.
• PWE gets money, which pays for the servers and their staff, and helps keep the game up and running.
• You'll meet other people in a RL setting; maybe a cute girl, get married. Not a stacked veno who is played by a guy.
• Perhaps most importantly, you'll see just how much RL money you're losing by spending so much time playing a game, and you decide maybe you shouldn't play games so much.

b:laugh

Nice guide Maiira. Other than spelling and the shorthand 'u' as opposed to 'you' (which I found a bit annoying to read honestly) I found it quite nice.

One suggestion though - is it possible to for you to add in grindable mobs specific for certain classes? Classes that wear arcane armour will favour magic mobs, classes like barbs and BM will prefer killing physical mobs. Heavy armour I've heard doesn't protect well against magic, as arcane does against physical attacks. Clerics love poison mobs for example, like ghouls, vipions, orchids, celestial hexocs, petaliis... Any idea on their drop rates?

Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »

games are entertainment... why spend however many hours watching the superbowl while you can be at work? why spend all that time doing art when you can be at work? etc. etc. etc.

There's no problem with spending/wasting time on entertainment. The thing is, most people don't consider grinding to be entertainment - they find it boring. They only do it because they haven't figured out a better way to acquire in-game coin; coin which they need to do other stuff in the game which they do consider fun and entertaining.

For those people, grinding is essentially work. And if you're going to be working anyway, the return for time invested in a RL job beats in-game grinding by quite a bit.

Its like if you hated football and found it tedious and boring. You need to make $100 to pay your bills. Someone offers you $1/hr to watch football games. Do you spend 100 hours watching boring football games? Or do you get a job and make the money to pay the bills in 17 hours, and spend the remaining 83 hours doing other stuff you enjoy instead of watching boring football?

Now, if you love football, then yeah getting paid $1/hr to watch football would be great. But very few people I know actually enjoy grinding.

Anyway, I have nothing against your original post. I think it's a great resource for the people who enjoy grinding. I'm just pointing out that if you find grinding to be tedious but you do it anyway because you need coin, then getting a RL job can get you a lot more coin with a lot less effort.

Yes I'm aware that CRPG quests break down into kill quests and Fedex quests. But I would disagree that grinding falls into the kill quest category, unless you're specifically doing it for a kill quest.

Quests are often chained and lead to bigger and better quests/rewards. To get there, sometimes you do have to grind - just to be sure you won't miss out on something good later. That's different from just grinding for coin, which you choose to do or not to do.

And I also disagree that if you don't do kill quests, that the only thing left in the game is Fedex delivery quests. Have you heard of the Bartle Quotient? It's based on a paper he wrote which breaks down MMO players into four types - achievers, explorers, socializers, and killers. Unless you're purely an achiever-type, there are lots of other fun things you can spend your time doing in the game.

I'm an explorer/socializer type, so I have a lot of fun monitoring and experimenting with the market (AH and catshops). I also enjoy helping people with bosses on their quest list, TT mats they need, and BH bosses if there's nothing else to do (I avoid doing these for myself, unless I can do it with friends - kill quests also go faster that way). And if I can find people up to it, I enjoy experimenting with different tactics against mobs and dungeons. Other people enjoy PvP and TW, or just chatting with each other, or playing with and showing off new fashion.

So unless you're an achiever-type, there's lots of other fun stuff to spend your time doing in the game. OTOH, if you're a strong achiever-type, you probably view grinding for coin to be another yardstick with which to measure who is better at this game; and getting coin with RL money seems like cheating to you.

Maiira - Sanctuary wrote: »

i looked at the bartle test and took the quiz... what does it mean if for every question both answers fit to me. and none of the 4 categories fit cause i do all 4?

You need to make a choice. The test is about figuring out which you like more. Like if I asked, "which do you like better, chocolate or pizza?" Undoubtedly most people like both. But the real point of the question is to find out which one you like more. If you score equally on all aspects, your result will be 50% Explorer, 50% Killer, 50% Socializer, 50% Achiever.

I'd like to reiterate that I have no problem with your guide and in fact think it's a valuable contribution. I especially liked the suggested selling prices you gave for various dropped items since it closely mirrors how I got started selling things in the game. (Eventually I decided grinding to get those mats took too much time, and resorted to simply buying them from other players who were going to NPC them anyway, moving them to high-demand locations, and selling them.)

I have no disagreement with you. I merely refined the suggestion someone else made that it took less time to earn RL money. And since then then I've been responding to an apparently hostile attitude towards the mere suggestion of spending RL money on the game. There is nothing wrong with playing this game without spending RL money. There is nothing wrong with playing this game by spending RL money.