I need your input about sharding (90+ veno's)
VAQSeeN - Heavens Tear
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Alright. I'm sure it's been asked before but I couldn't find the thread. I'm 89, going to turn 90 in a few days. Minimized on the questing/dailies to take advantage of this event - and get my TT mats for 90. I'm almost complete with my gear.
The question that I often ponder about is what sharding is good for a Vit+Mag Arcane Veno? If my pdef resists are extremely low.. say, 1170k unbuffed. and about 7000k magdef. Should I garnet shard myself because of the lack of pdef? Or should I go the hp way?
Need an opinion from 90+ veno's or anyone really, thanks.
The question that I often ponder about is what sharding is good for a Vit+Mag Arcane Veno? If my pdef resists are extremely low.. say, 1170k unbuffed. and about 7000k magdef. Should I garnet shard myself because of the lack of pdef? Or should I go the hp way?
Need an opinion from 90+ veno's or anyone really, thanks.
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garnets, and pdef accesories all the way. my former guild leader has 10k pdef, and 5k hp. she survives even demon armageddons, because defense = survival, not hp.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
ah I see, So put all garnets in my TT90 set and leave the HP shards behind?0
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http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=b590a604e5fdae3e
used acro set + other Cheap P def items
>used only flawless (~ 250k or less)
>Most items used in simulation is cheap
>u can replace the cape , helmet with better
> u have unassined Attribute Points 105 in that simulation
>doing +4 upgrade is cheap (w mirage)
>used 3 sockets only , Socket stone 4 4th socket is high
>i tried to make everything cheap as possible0 -
Alright, so garnets for defense, and refinement for hp.
Most of my equipment and future equipment will be dedicated either to pdef or channeling.
Sounds good to me.0 -
Another question though, would Immac. garnets be worth the cash? Or should I stick w/ Flawless...
Opinions~0 -
They're worth it if TT90 is endgame for you. They dont cost that much, plus, 4 immac garnets has a nice effect. And we all know armour is about the looks not the stats. b:victoryI was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »garnets, and pdef accesories all the way. my former guild leader has 10k pdef, and 5k hp. she survives even demon armageddons, because defense = survival, not hp.
lol not true, both are of equal value to an extent.
Also I have 10k pdef and 12k HP in fox form, and Ive been 1 shot by armageddon before in that state. Just because your friend survives a few armageddon's doesn't mean her pdef keeps her alive, it would be her pdef helping but also the fact that those barbs were not critting/zerking.
Edit - wheres my avatar? >.>0 -
unless you wear fash lol then you dont get to see it. Well your self can but not the other pplsLloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »They're worth it if TT90 is endgame for you. They dont cost that much, plus, 4 immac garnets has a nice effect. And we all know armour is about the looks not the stats. b:victoryb:angryb:angryb:angryb:laughI feel better taking out my BEAR aggression. Lame joke i know but suck it.0 -
LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »They're worth it if TT90 is endgame for you. They dont cost that much, plus, 4 immac garnets has a nice effect. And we all know armour is about the looks not the stats. b:victory
It's not like I'm going for end-game stuff. I just plan to get into more PK-related stuff such as TW - so I would think garnets would help since I get pretty much 1-2 shotted by Archers. Would you say this is good?0 -
hp =/= defense. you can have a ton of it, but it just means it takes a second longer for that archer to shave it off of you. citrines just make the difference between 1, 2, and 3 hit kills.Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »lol not true, both are of equal value to an extent.
Also I have 10k pdef and 12k HP in fox form, and Ive been 1 shot by armageddon before in that state. Just because your friend survives a few armageddon's doesn't mean her pdef keeps her alive, it would be her pdef helping but also the fact that those barbs were not critting/zerking.
Edit - wheres my avatar? >.>
defense on the other hand makes you near invincible, ask the wizards with BM like pdef on lost city. usually takes an archer using a demon spark and spamming skills to take those down.
pure citrine = pvp death. cash shop advice =/= realistic advice.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Garnets here I come!0
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Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »Also I have 10k pdef and 12k HP in fox form, and Ive been 1 shot by armageddon before in that state. Just because your friend survives a few armageddon's doesn't mean her pdef keeps her alive, it would be her pdef helping but also the fact that those barbs were not critting/zerking.
lol 12k HP in fox form? Are you loaded with Vit stones and all your gear refined to like +8 or something?I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »lol not true, both are of equal value to an extent.
Also I have 10k pdef and 12k HP in fox form, and Ive been 1 shot by armageddon before in that state. Just because your friend survives a few armageddon's doesn't mean her pdef keeps her alive, it would be her pdef helping but also the fact that those barbs were not critting/zerking.
Edit - wheres my avatar? >.>
yeah i also wonder how u have 12k hp..even xkat which got really crazy gear dont have 12k,she got 10k.
and look at the gear
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/taboo-gie/Arcane-2.jpg
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most items are like +5 or less in that screenshot plus i saw another screenshot from xkat with more than 12k hp i think/NiKi - Lost City wrote: »yeah i also wonder how u have 12k hp..even xkat which got really crazy gear dont have 12k,she got 10k.
and look at the gear
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee223/taboo-gie/Arcane-2.jpg
b:dirty
as an example, you dont even need all citrines/vit stones
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=13de15af64659496
look at this build, fox form plus some g9 garnets and citrines but crazy refines0 -
if u like phys def, reset and go LA+cit.
if u wanna have all the power of a veno, u cant make it AA+vit.
the real power of one magic character is AA+mag. And then, cit or garnet.
But u've showed us the armor of a veno 100+, maybe rich in real life, that has spent a lot of money in game.
Stones for +10 vit are about 25 mil coins each one, love:up and down is from 180 to 200 mil, refine +10 on shinrabansho is about...uhmm...only to go from +7 to +10 are 225golds when orbs were at only 75golds each one.
So, or she's rich and spend money, or she's a nerd and plays all the day, grinding and making TTs.0 -
AA_Leiian_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »if u like phys def, reset and go LA+cit.
if u wanna have all the power of a veno, u cant make it AA+vit.
the real power of one magic character is AA+mag. And then, cit or garnet.
But u've showed us the armor of a veno 100+, maybe rich in real life, that has spent a lot of money in game.
Stones for +10 vit are about 25 mil coins each one, love:up and down is from 180 to 200 mil, refine +10 on shinrabansho is about...uhmm...only to go from +7 to +10 are 225golds when orbs were at only 75golds each one.
So, or she's rich and spend money, or she's a nerd and plays all the day, grinding and making TTs.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=3f601bdddc085412
LA
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0683cd459c6084c2
come with better arguments next time. LA wont have ever the pdef of a AA period0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »hp =/= defense. you can have a ton of it, but it just means it takes a second longer for that archer to shave it off of you. citrines just make the difference between 1, 2, and 3 hit kills.
defense on the other hand makes you near invincible, ask the wizards with BM like pdef on lost city. usually takes an archer using a demon spark and spamming skills to take those down.
pure citrine = pvp death. cash shop advice =/= realistic advice.
I think it depends on what you are doing with your char. The OP doesnt say if he is PvEing or PvPing.
For PvE, you could probably get away with putting nothing but phys def shards and be better off. However, in PvP that is not the case. You need to strike a balance between the two.
For most people that do not cash shop, the BEST way to shard your gear is a mix of citrines AND phys def (this goes for those people that will only refine their gear to around +4 or +5). As you will get the needed boost to both your HP and phys def.
Just my 2 cents[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
most items are like +5 or less in that screenshot plus i saw another screenshot from xkat with more than 12k hp i think
as an example, you dont even need all citrines/vit stones
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=13de15af64659496
look at this build, fox form plus some g9 garnets and citrines but crazy refines
yeah i saw it too but she had hp buff on that ss.
nice build but i doubt ill ever get anything similar to that,i dont cs and doubt ill get all 4 sockets on my gear and have those refines b:surrender
and i agree with u about pdef between AA and LA.
i already have better pdef then many LA users which are even higher lvl then me,only what i dont like as being arcane is lower hp with refines.0 -
well 4 sockets its hard and you probably have 2 choises, recraft your armor or invest like 12k sockets stones (lol). if you get 3 sockets then use more than G9 to cover what is 'lost'. its nice to have 4 socket tho... i read that you keep your sockets and shards when you upgrade to nirvana./NiKi - Lost City wrote: »yeah i saw it too but she had hp buff on that ss.
nice build but i doubt ill ever get anything similar to that,i dont cs and doubt ill get all 4 sockets on my gear and have those refines b:surrender
and i agree with u about pdef between AA and LA.
i already have better pdef then many LA users which are even higher lvl then me,only what i dont like as being arcane is lower hp with refines.0 -
sigh... armageddon is based on the barbs hp. So if a barb has enough hp, it means you will die. pdef does help but diminishing returns means that at a certain point [i.e: 7-8k pdef], hp will help more than pdef for physical attacks. But hp shards help against magic and physical attacks. Therefore the best build is all hp/vit shards with high refinements on your physical defense ornaments.
There is another build that incorporates grade 13 armors with +2 defense shards which theoretically should be better than garnets/citrines and vit stones. +40 def level should be significantly better than 500-1000 hp/pdef. But that remains to be seen as I havent seen any with the build yet.
I personally have never been 1 shot by an armageddon in human form much less fox form but i guess it would be conceivable if it was a demon barb with a lot of hp and he zerk crit while you had devour/tangling mire/extreme poison or a sage barb with absolute massive hp.[your signature has been removed, please contact an admin for more information]0 -
Specialmats - Heavens Tear wrote: »sigh... armageddon is based on the barbs hp. So if a barb has enough hp, it means you will die. pdef does help but diminishing returns means that at a certain point [i.e: 7-8k pdef], hp will help more than pdef for physical attacks. But hp shards help against magic and physical attacks. Therefore the best build is all hp/vit shards with high refinements on your physical defense ornaments.
There is another build that incorporates grade 13 armors with +2 defense shards which theoretically should be better than garnets/citrines and vit stones. +40 def level should be significantly better than 500-1000 hp/pdef. But that remains to be seen as I havent seen any with the build yet.
I personally have never been 1 shot by an armageddon in human form much less fox form but i guess it would be conceivable if it was a demon barb with a lot of hp and he zerk crit while you had devour/tangling mire/extreme poison or a sage barb with absolute massive hp.
That's why is better to put both garnets and citrines. In my case I put citrines in my helmet and cape, and garnets in the rest of the armor. I used citrines after I reached 38% physical resistance unbuffed because I considered the return for one garnet stones was less than what a citrine would give.0 -
if its hard for you to know what is better for you, citrine or garnets... here it is:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O2IATW35
its made after one of solandri's posts so i made it in adobe flash0 -
Not hard now a days to get 12k HP..
people see a 12k HP veno and say not bad, its just not rare anymore lol
Also..I don't have a single piece of +8 gear, most is +7.
I don't have a single vit stone.
I do not cash shop and never will.
I chose citrine shards because it's what I wanted to do with my build, I have sufficient pdef to cover not having garnet shards in my gear. If I failed at my build come kill me.0 -
Ken.. you don't keep your sockets/shards when upgrading to nirvana. If you check the general discussion forum you'll see. :[0
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if its hard for you to know what is better for you, citrine or garnets... here it is:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=O2IATW35
its made after one of solandri's posts so i made it in adobe flash
Wanna explain how this works?? hee hee0 -
true, well i saw a gm posting after update but turned to be a lie so only upgrading (reforge) nirvana will keep sockets and refinesSupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »Ken.. you don't keep your sockets/shards when upgrading to nirvana. If you check the general discussion forum you'll see. :[
how it works? type your lvl, hp and both physical defence and average magic defence then calculate. you will see a box for pdef and one for mdef that will say which shards are better to use. basically, if you hp quite good but you have low pdef and high mdef you will probably see that you need garnets (lack of pdef) and citrine (enough mdef so hp works better)
its made in adobe flash so for sure not ganna install anything strange on your computer or not gonna get anything from it either, safe to use imo0 -
demon arma > sage arma.Specialmats - Heavens Tear wrote: »sigh... armageddon is based on the barbs hp. So if a barb has enough hp, it means you will die. pdef does help but diminishing returns means that at a certain point [i.e: 7-8k pdef], hp will help more than pdef for physical attacks. But hp shards help against magic and physical attacks. Therefore the best build is all hp/vit shards with high refinements on your physical defense ornaments.
There is another build that incorporates grade 13 armors with +2 defense shards which theoretically should be better than garnets/citrines and vit stones. +40 def level should be significantly better than 500-1000 hp/pdef. But that remains to be seen as I havent seen any with the build yet.
I personally have never been 1 shot by an armageddon in human form much less fox form but i guess it would be conceivable if it was a demon barb with a lot of hp and he zerk crit while you had devour/tangling mire/extreme poison or a sage barb with absolute massive hp.
im sure we're all aware how it works, the point being, your physical defense mitigates some of its damage.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Thanks for all the replies guys. Helped.
I sharded my main gear - gold sleeves, and rest of acrobatic TT90 arcane armor with Flawless/Immac garnets. My rope and cape are Flawless citrines.
It's turning out pretty well. Pdef buffed is now almost 3k, and in foxform I'm almost 6k. Need to probably get more phy ornaments. And have to crazily refine my gear.0 -
SupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »Ken.. you don't keep your sockets/shards when upgrading to nirvana. If you check the general discussion forum you'll see. :[
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=6630981&postcount=440 -
*Fox Form multiplies on pdef (or garnets)
*Leech restores HP which is a higher percent for Garnets as opposed to Citrine.
*Garnets help balance pdef with mdef on an Arcane Veno.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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