Could RB/ BB be stacked?

Miasora - Lost City
Miasora - Lost City Posts: 167 Arc User
edited February 2010 in Cleric
Excuse me, maybe someone has asked this before. But I just couldn't find a thread about it.

I was on HH 2-3 (Lvl 90) today, with a Barb, BM, 2 Venos with Herc and another Cleric. On the 3rd Boss, Spiritcooler: Null, Herc tanked it and we Cleric were helping DD, until the other Cleric started to use RB.

What if I do RB too?... Would it give another Damage and Attack Rate?... Can it be stacked?

1 RB gives 100% more damages and 20% more attack rate/ channeling. So, would it be 200% and 40% if there's 2 RB?

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If it works/ not on RB, what about BB?

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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    It does not stack....you would just be wasting MP =P
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    RB = doesnt stack in any way

    BB = the damage reduction doesnt stack.. however, if timed properly the heal can be stacked in a way i hear
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My brother/sister pair of clerics insist that BB does not stack...I don't know how or what they did to test it, but I trust them, since they are two of the best clerics I have ever worked with.

    I assume RB doesn't stack, but I've never seen or heard of anyone trying it, so I can't say much.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Neither stack....and BB heals do not stack.

    Besides...makes no sense. Would be much more efficient to have one Cleric BB and the other "standard" heal.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Neither stack....and BB heals do not stack.

    Besides...makes no sense. Would be much more efficient to have one Cleric BB and the other "standard" heal.

    an ex-guildy argued that RBing a BB is better for the group..

    - Full mag cleric.. shocker eh? -
  • Miasora - Lost City
    Miasora - Lost City Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    RB = doesnt stack in any way

    BB = the damage reduction doesnt stack.. however, if timed properly the heal can be stacked in a way i hear

    Ah, ok... 2x RB/ BB is just gonna be a waste. So if there's other cleric doing RB/BB, I should be better a support healer/ DD then ^.^

    Also, RB+RB=BB+BB=FAIL ~

    But, RB+BB=FTW!!!

    xD


    ps:Btw Bob, its nice to see Nagare is back in action again, I'm really looking forward to see this week's TW, good luck ;)
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ps:Btw Bob, its nice to see Nagare is back in action again, I'm really looking forward to see this week's TW, good luck ;)

    ty we've been workin hard to get back in the game :P

    (unno if ruthless is in TW this week or not, but gl to u 2)
  • Miasora - Lost City
    Miasora - Lost City Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    an ex-guildy argued that RBing a BB is better for the group..

    - Full mag cleric.. shocker eh? -

    maybe he meant RBing tank/ dd... else he's just lazy xD


    Thanks too... Yup, we have to defend that new guild Skull's made DejaVoo and attack one of FO land ;)
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    maybe he meant RBing tank/ dd... else he's just lazy xD


    Thanks too... Yup, we have to defend that new guild Skull's made DejaVoo and attack one of FO land ;)

    ah :P and with the RB + BB, I had BB up after we pulled like 8 mobs in bh79 and the other cleric put up a RB instead of aoehealing/ purifying x-x. was a tough run.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What do you mean it doesn't stack I am using RB and the other cleric is using BB.

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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    it stacks.. but its not usefull when the RB cleric needs to be assist healing.

    we are saying BB + BB doesnt stack

    and RB + RB doesnt stack
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    @ Bob
    > *sigh*
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ok.I see what ou are saying now.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    @ Bob
    > *sigh*

    wut o.Ob:surrender
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    wut o.Ob:surrender

    =.= not you......
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    =.= not you......

    but u said @ bobb:sad

    STOP CONFUSING ME
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    but u said @ bobb:sad

    STOP CONFUSING ME

    I know now that I am....but tbh it is kinda of fun...

    <--- in one of those Devilsh moods today b:dirty
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
  • Xoria - Sanctuary
    Xoria - Sanctuary Posts: 419 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BB+ BB= Heals DO stack; not the damage reduction.
    It's two different sets of heal auras going up, however, channeling and other factors play too much into the timing. Over- all, it's much easier to just BB+ some other heal spell.

    RB+ RB= no stack whatsoever.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BB+ BB= Heals DO stack; not the damage reduction.
    It's two different sets of heal auras going up, however, channeling and other factors play too much into the timing. Over- all, it's much easier to just BB+ some other heal spell.

    people keep telling me it does and doesn't x-x idk, im gonna roll with it and not care.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The problem with 2 BB's is -->

    1) Have nvr seen them stack after having tested
    2) They cancel out the damage reduction...which is one HUGE reason for using BB on certain bosses


    <---- imo NO reason to have two BB's going in the same party...however I would nvr have two bb's going..imo it is a waste and pure laziness b:surrender
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  • Xoria - Sanctuary
    Xoria - Sanctuary Posts: 419 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The problem with 2 BB's is -->

    1) Have nvr seen them stack after having tested
    2) They cancel out the damage reduction...which is one HUGE reason for using BB on certain bosses


    <---- imo NO reason to have two BB's going in the same party...however I would nvr have two bb's going..imo it is a waste and pure laziness b:surrender

    They do stack heals and don't cancel out. Back when the highest levels were around 75-80 on Sanctuary, before most people put refines or gems into their armor and most clerics died on 1-3's Soul Banisher, we tried double BB, since we had nothing to lose and both clerics lived. We tried single BB + IH and both died and squad wiped.

    Unless it's something to do with the new expansion and updates, it did, then, at one point, stack.
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    BB + AoE > 2x BB tho
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  • Miasora - Lost City
    Miasora - Lost City Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    What do you mean it doesn't stack I am using RB and the other cleric is using BB.

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    BB+ BB= Heals DO stack; not the damage reduction.
    It's two different sets of heal auras going up, however, channeling and other factors play too much into the timing. Over- all, it's much easier to just BB+ some other heal spell.

    RB+ RB= no stack whatsoever.

    OMG... excuse me ppl but, how well and how long you played your cleric allready? And do you understand what stacked means?

    Stack means, that the effect from a skill can be ADDED with another one. So, the total result of that effect would either be more or even doubled. But it doesnt mean to be assisted, changed or replaced by each other.

    I thought this thread can be closed allready on the first page, but seems it continued ~


    RB + RB = won't be stacked. It's clear, clarified, confirmed and proved.
    Heaven's Wrath (RB):

    Focus all of your vigor to form a mystical array with
    a radius of 20 meters. Consuming 500 mana every 5 seconds,
    increases the attack rate and channelling speed of squad
    members 20% and increases any weapon attack damage bonuses
    by 100%. Skill will not stop until you click cancel or
    press ESC.

    RB + RB doesn't stacked. So if there's 2 RB, the tanker and DD WON'T get 200% damage bonuses and 40% speed. I asked that to my tank and its clarified, that the damages aren't higher with the 2nd RB. So, both RB just gonna give the same amount of bonuses (100% damage and 20% speed) to the squad.


    RB + BB = nothing gonna be stacked here, since it's 2 different skills! This is called, that they can be COMBINED (combined =/= stacked). And of course it works ~


    BB +BB = won't be stacked either.
    Regeneration Aura (BB):

    Focus your empathetic energy to heal squad members within 15 meters
    of you. Use 500 mana every 5 seconds to recover HP equal to 300 plus
    20% of base magic attack every 5 seconds and cut all damage taken
    by 50%. Skill will not stop until click Cancel or press ESC.

    BB + BB doesnt stacked, but they can be combined. So when 1 cleric start a BB, then the other start another too, it is all just about the "Healing over time" which can be combined. 2 BB doesn't give you 600 HP + 40%, it heals the same amount (300 HP+20%) every 5 seconds, so the different is just its time. And about the damage reduction, is just like other clerics buff/ debuff skils. Casting the same buff is just gonna replace and rewrite the previous one.


    Anyway, there WON'T be 2 RB/ 2 BB in my squad. It's just useless, waste of mp and lazy. I better help DD if possible (and try to steal aggro b:cute ). And it's also lucky to have another cleric, mostly there's only a spot for 1 cleric in BH/ any squad (other than HH, which need 2).

    Btw, thanks for your comments and info, they're so helpful... i found my answer, so thanks :)
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ^I am laughing at your knowledge of people who you do not know in this forum as you hardly visit it.
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  • Miasora - Lost City
    Miasora - Lost City Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    OMG xD

    Who cares...

    I don't troll/ spam forums like you, I better play my cleric instead and get more Knowledge from my own experiences ~

    I dont care about who you are. But, if you feel to know about something, share it!! Just don't thrash talking all the time, which is mostly out of topic, impossible and has no meaning at all xD

    And about that previous Smiley on http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=6613511#post6613511 , you said that you never died at lower level... I LOLed this so hard. I believe that every cleric died on their 2x even only once. Just read all other's comments/ posts, we are all a normal cleric, we all ever died and went through that hard time to start our first cleric on low level... except you! You're the only cleric in PWI who never died, dang you must be a Superwoman or something like that xD

    Geez, I hope aryannamage gonna close this thread soon. Else, you won't stop spamming it -_-
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Just ignore Mysti.
    Mysti's trolls are well known and are long past the funny line!
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I don't not troll if you know the difference and I never died hardly between lvls 1 and 19.Those are so easy to do.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    The problem with 2 BB's is -->

    1) Have nvr seen them stack after having tested
    2) They cancel out the damage reduction...which is one HUGE reason for using BB on certain bosses


    <---- imo NO reason to have two BB's going in the same party...however I would nvr have two bb's going..imo it is a waste and pure laziness b:surrender
    I agree with rose, im not a avid fan of double BB solely to the reason half the time i experienced 2 BBs, the melees HP kept on decreasing and never even ticked one single BB heal. I would huff it off as nothing or maybe they were getting mobbed too much, if it were only once or twice. A good handful of times in diff. situations make me think other wise.
    They do stack heals and don't cancel out. Back when the highest levels were around 75-80 on Sanctuary, before most people put refines or gems into their armor and most clerics died on 1-3's Soul Banisher, we tried double BB, since we had nothing to lose and both clerics lived. We tried single BB + IH and both died and squad wiped.

    Unless it's something to do with the new expansion and updates, it did, then, at one point, stack.

    The problem of them not stacking has been present since a good 1year+ ago. Its been repeatedly discussed in the forums in the past. I've heard both reasons during this time. My own guess is that each BB has a healing 'tick' every 5 sec. If that tick doesnt overlap each other then great, its probably what other pple been saying about double heals from double BB. If that tick does actually manage to overlap then it probably cancels the effects out, as i and a few others personally experienced. If the 'tick' is every 5 sec then the possibility of a canceling BB is a good 20%. Not something I would wanna risk in a "oh ****" time.

    btw reason the clerics back then used to die so easily to soulbanisher is because the idea of using pdef shards wasnt too well known. I still remember forum talks back then about HP shards and whatnot, clerics scrambling to get as much HP as possible for TT mobs, and leaving themselves with a whopping 1k def and wondering how they died. I wondered why the hell other arcane had the hardest time doing mobs such as soul (sure it hit hard but was never impossible), when i asked ingame and on forums, their reply was they shard all HP. My build had been pdef shards since 80.
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  • Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear
    Scarlettlady - Heavens Tear Posts: 304 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Wow, you 2 are fighting the same point acting like its different. Yes you can, and there are actually points where 2BBs would work well. Just not many. For instance, we timed our BBs to heal back and forth and sent out our PKers for DT just this week. Guess how much longer our people stayed up. We also had a 3rd cleric IHing. We started with a BB and a RB. But wasn't very productive in a PvP spot. BBs dont "stack" completely. You dont get more reduced damage but you DO get double the heals.

    Read each others posts before you start trashing one another. Goodness.
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