Nirvana - Chienkun Stones - Clarification of Reforge PLEASE

uhm..................

now thats a problem isnt it ?

Theres a feature for this option(CK stone) and yet its not implemented b:shutup

That is why we thought the almighty pwi gods decide to let us do it for free

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Recasting is an ancient Tideborn method for upgrading equipment. It allows individuals to upgrade their existing gear into new gear, while still maintaining their original attributes, refinement level, and sockets. Essentially through the use of this system, players can take their existing high level equipment, and transform it into Palace of Nirvana gear, and without losing any of the hard work they

Please stop quoting the same quote.

The second part states that a special stone is required to make this transfer of sockets/refine possible!

They took this out and posted that these CK stones will never be implemented in the game, hence they added the new system in which only the reforging process will allow complete transfers. That is what has been posted.

To assume anything outside what they have said and told us is dangerous and not very smart.

EDIT: Yes something is happening I can't quote anyone properly either...

Cernunnosx - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Players were told months before the TB expansion and Nirvana that CK stones would never be in PWI ... The Powers that be knew that before posting the section I quoted

I guess all I can say is, they're the developers and unfortunately under their ToS they're allowed to change their minds/policies whenever they want. b:shutup All we can do is try to keep up with it.

EDIT: I lied when I said I agree with every term in the ToS signing up for pwi, I just follow it lol.

Thing is, you need Rupture/Uncanny crystals to preform any kind of upgrade. It isn't possible to recast a piece of equipment into nirvana version without them.

If, as originally assumed, it were possible to recast without using nirvana cystals, everyone would be walking around with nirvana weapons and gear by now and just refine them after the recast process.

Talking coin, 100 crystals is about 100 mil. A lunar weapon is another 50.
150mil is a very high price to simply preform a test wouldn't you agree?

On the subject of Chienkun Stones, the story changed from "we have no plans of implementing this" to "we're taking the matter under advisement". Don't ask me to quote it, search for yourself, but I'm not talking out of my ****.

Now in the most recent patch, a GM said that the process was changed so that you're not asked to use chienkun stones any more during the recast. This however is false, since you still get a prompt asking you whether you wish to use chienkun stones (Y/N) or not when trying to recast.

Now people have already recast equipment and lost all their refines and shards when doing so (seeing how they couldn't use chienkun stones).

However, to the best of my knowledge, no one has attempted to recast anything since this last patch where the process was apparently changed.

As it stands now, it's either try and risk losing all your refines, or cough up another 150 mil to try with a +1 lunar/tt99 weapon and see if it works.

Neither option sounds good to me.

This matter should be tested and confirmed by the GMs one way or the other ASAP.

Edit: nvm, just read the whole wizzled fiasco. gg is all i can say -.-"

ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The first recast TT > Nirvana doesnt greatly increase an items stats, and how it was originally posted Upgrading without Crystals would have lost attributes aswell.
So it would have been a trade off. Upgrade with crystals and keep everything or upgrade without for a better looking weapon with slightly better dmg but lose -chan, + Mag, etc etc etc

So all lvl 100+ walking round with Nirvana gear but with no adds wouldnt have been a problem would it ?.

You keep the basic attributes (+crit/-chan/-int whatever) no matter what. On top of it, you get increased base attack and higher refine bonus (as well a new look) because the item is now G15.

So on one hand, you would lose refines and shards, but with the 100 mil you wouldn't have to waste on crystals, you could refine it up to whatever. So yes, it would be quite a difference.

I won't say a problem, because I don't consider a lvl90 steamrolling a lvl80 a problem, much like I wouldn't consider a level 100 in nirvana set steamrolling a lvl90 one.

Because when the Tideborn expansion came out they said so?
Because the crystals to keep the shards and refines aren't(and they'll never be)implemented in the game?
It's a scam alright,and if there was any real GM that really makes the interests of both PWE AND the player base they would have done 2 things: 1-Tested it since they can edit items it would have taken them not more than 5 minutes.And second refund the scammed person imediatelly and make a sticky to make clear that upgrading to nirvana you lose refining shards etc.

This is just common sense to do from a GM and it costs them nothing.I too think there is something else in play here.Really "fishy" things going on b:chuckle

You sure about that? Not doubting you, just your source. pwdb is notorious for having wrong information, especially when it comes to refinement (ie hp gains on refined armor which are easy to test and prove false).

To the best of my knowledge, refinement bonuses solely depend on the grade of equipment, nothing else. At least, that's what held true when dealing with everything up to G13. I could have a legendary, green TT, gold TT and npc armor piece of the same grade. Refine them to +1 and they would all get the same hp boost

Likewise, base stats depend on grade as well as type of weapon.
(Take TT90/TT99 swords for instance. Same grade and type, hence the same base damage on all of them, the only thing that differs is the bonus adds). So from where I'm standing it makes no sense that a G13 lunar sword recasts to G13 nirvana sword but gets higher base damage value. It would however make sense if it recasted to G15, as we were lead to believe.

This is going by personal experience of course. I don't actually have a nirvana piece to test it one way or another.

If ya do have first hand experience, I'll be happy to take your word for it and save myself the hassle and a good 100mil. But pwdb is far from being a trustworthy source for information.

Thanks for clarifying it, much appreciated.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

You sure about that? Not doubting you, just your source. pwdb is notorious for having wrong information, especially when it comes to refinement (ie hp gains on refined armor which are easy to test and prove false).

It came up in a discussion in the veno forum. Sadpuma provided a screenshot which shows that NP (lunar 95, grade 13) gains more attack per refine than Sinrabansho (red 100, grade 13).

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=6094922#post6094922

Axt57 took it from there, and matched up the refines NP was getting with the normal refine table for a G15 weapon.

Edit: I suppose it's possible Nirvana gear will have different refines than G15. But given pwdb's accuracy on the weapon refines thus far, I think we're better off assuming it's right until proven otherwise.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

You sure about that? Not doubting you, just your source. pwdb is notorious for having wrong information, especially when it comes to refinement (ie hp gains on refined armor which are easy to test and prove false).

To the best of my knowledge, refinement bonuses solely depend on the grade of equipment, nothing else. At least, that's what held true when dealing with everything up to G13. I could have a legendary, green TT, gold TT and npc armor piece of the same grade. Refine them to +1 and they would all get the same hp boost

Yes, I'm sure he is right. We're already up to our third quenched/reforged piece. The refine bonus on the Nirvana TT arcane armor only refines as G13.

The sad thing about all this, is that the GMs knew nothing of the Nirvana process, had no clues what materials or gear was used. I'm sure the GMs were still relatively clueless about the issue with Wizzled until after someone had guinea pigged it.

Just because the're GM's doesn't mean they really know about the game without players explaining it to them.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Yes, I'm sure he is right. We're already up to our third quenched/reforged piece. The refine bonus on the Nirvana TT arcane armor only refines as G13.

The sad thing about all this, is that the GMs knew nothing of the Nirvana process, had no clues what materials or gear was used. I'm sure the GMs were still relatively clueless about the issue with Wizzled until after someone had guinea pigged it.

Just because the're GM's doesn't mean they really know about the game without players explaining it to them.

you would think GMs have the power to test the process out themselves with the freedoms given to them.

What are GMs for if they are unsure about the mechanics of the game? And what about the patches and updates that they posted?

GMs are our only bridge to the devs and should be 'in the know'. Saying that the GMs are unsure is akin to saying that the manager of a restaurant is not sure of what dishes they have on the menu.

Vivre - Harshlands wrote: »

I'd equate it to a server in a restaurant not being able to tell you what goes into each dish... the manager may not want anyone to know if they think its bad for business. GMs probably can't do anything about this further than mitigating bad PR. And I feel really bad for them in this particular job.

nah.. they are game managers and should know, at least what is implemented and how things work in this version of the game. What else do you think game managers are for? Locking threads?

ArchAngel - Dreamweaver wrote: »

nah.. they are game managers and should know, at least what is implemented and how things work in this version of the game. What else do you think game managers are for? Locking threads?

TBH, my current impression of this - and I hope I'm very wrong- is that the GMs take orders from the company managements about the sort of information they should give. They have little authority over game-wide issues on their own. And I have this itching feeling that someone up there is focused on maximizing cash profits and sees this as an opportunity to get more. But this could just be from my cynicism of Chinese business ethics... I hope I'm wrong b:surrender

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

cant we just get over it, its just money b:cold

Are you being sarcastic? O_o

I can assure you that for some, it is not just money...Also, this issue is just not about money.

--- Side Note ---

For myself, it is more that if they release something, they should at least be able to warn or let us know about SOME of the mechanics. Reading the initial information from the original Sticky had none of this and neither did the Patch Notes. Some of us never started doing Nirvana because we had figured out that there was a "catch," before it was even brought up on the forums or by others.

I would like to note, it is not for us to blame the GM's. They are merely vessels for the company, but as the only representatives that the community has, they are bound to have to deal with these types of things. It is the nature of customer service and it is obvious that this is not a small thing. b:surrender