Clerics Vs. Assassins

Sir_Martin - Lost City · February 2010

So since the Release of the Tideborn Expansion up till now what i have seen and experience of the new classes in PvP is that the most difficult thing that Cleric have against Assassins is there Stealth Mode. From what i have seen is that the Assassins have the upper advantage in a fight since they will come up out of no where and sleep hit you and then stun you and keep hitting you with crits then your down *Cleric Not Having a Charm*. I would like to know if any other have the same problems with the Assassin Class. I would also like to know what you do if do get in a fight with an Assassin. Do you usually win againt them if they sneak up on you? Do you think that the Assasins Stealth should get nurfed it being to OP.

Shadow Walk Level 1 Learned: lvl 13
Mana 20
Channel 0.7 seconds
Cast 2.8 seconds
Cooldown 6.0 seconds
Weapon Daggers

Requisite Cultivation Spiritual Adept
Enter stealth mode.
Enemies with an Awareness Level lower than your Stealth Level can not see you.
Costs 24 mana per second.
Only usable when out of combat.

Shadow Escape Level 1 Learned: lvl 29
Mana 100
Channel 0.7 seconds
Cast 2.8 seconds
Cooldown 90.0 seconds
Weapon Daggers

Requisite Cultivation Aware of Harmony
Force yourself into stealth. Dispel all negative status.
Enemies with an Awareness Level lower than your Stealth Level can not see you.
Costs 24 Mana per second.

A successful cast will increase one Spark.

Bowlinbob - Lost City · February 2010

only way u stand a chance imo is to pay extremely close attention.

Without Absolute Domain on my genie i dont think id stand a chance against them.

But what I do is pop a domain then a dew of star protection-sleep-plumeshell- then proceed to go nuts attacking. If i fail to kill them before they stealth i stack ironhearts and/or haul *** kiting til Domain is ready again

Sir_Martin - Lost City · February 2010

What do you think of the Assassins Stealth BS

Bowlinbob - Lost City · February 2010

Sir_Martin - Lost City wrote: »

What do you think of the Assassins Stealth BS

havent been attacked by many to really have a fair opinion, but from what ive seen its BS for arcane class's. ive personally seen a 7x assasin take out a 100 cleric in a matter of seconds.

But, sad thing is, chances are it wont get tweeked, for the same reason bleed will never get fixed. Sins are new, everyone is spending money building theirs up with refines/oracles etc, so more income for devs. Why would they fix it.

Sir_Martin - Lost City · February 2010

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

havent been attacked by many to really have a fair opinion, but from what ive seen its BS for arcane class's. ive personally seen a 7x assasin take out a 100 cleric in a matter of seconds.

Ya, had SolidSnake on me for a while when was 8x >> Killed him the first few time but he then later got me >> *Cough Lord Kazahana Cough*

Bowlinbob - Lost City · February 2010

Sir_Martin - Lost City wrote: »

Ya, had SolidSnake on me for a while when was 8x >> Killed him the first few time but he then later got me >> *Cough Lord Kazahana Cough*

i dont think they are the same person, I heard its one of his friends.

RedsRose - Lost City · February 2010

Pretty much what Bob said....however I have not run into any except for ppl wanting to test on me in duels...they are not fun for Arcane users but very beatable...it is more the stealth you must get past b:surrender (Keep in mind though that AOE's still hit them while in stealth)

I must say though...Assassins in general can pretty much kill all classes. they have a harder time against HA users, but I have seen them kill those more then a few levels higher.

Ahira - Lost City · February 2010

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

havent been attacked by many to really have a fair opinion, but from what ive seen its BS for arcane class's. ive personally seen a 7x assasin take out a 100 cleric in a matter of seconds.

Thats crazy! b:shocked

Havent really fought too many either but I normally do ok because I switch to HA. Stealth is a real nuisance tho! =[[

MagicHamsta - Lost City · February 2010

Ahira - Lost City wrote: »

Thats crazy! b:shocked

Havent really fought too many either but I normally do ok because I switch to HA. Stealth is a real nuisance tho! =[[

hmm...
yesh of course.
*goes off to restat HA and use +3 sharded Calamity axes*
b:chuckle

Miasora - Lost City · February 2010

Clerics Vs. Assassins... this happens to me like daily. Especially on Raging Tide server, which are filled with Tideborn's Classes ~

I hate that Stealth, it's kinda cheat or OP to sneak around, checking other's gears and preparing very well before he start to attack/ stun. While we the victims know nothing about that sudden attack, unprepared, especially when we're fighting mobs/ grinding.

From my experience, Sin could kill any classes if they're too late to react, after being stuned. But Sin will find it hard, when they're fighting back, especially when they're charmed or stun them back.

It's very annoying before, I got attacked mamy times when I was grinding mobs then suddenly got stuned and killed. But now I'm charmed, keep checking the squad list and mini map for any possible incoming (this is also annoying), and also fighting back. That way, I can survive more... but, the bad thing is, they can stealth again in the middle of the battle to run/ go to SZ -_-

Skybelle - Sanctuary · February 2010

Solution: A barb friend by your side 24/7. b:surrender

Sir_Martin - Lost City · February 2010

I still dont see how you are able to AoE against the Assassins, unless there happens to be a mob next to right at that time.

Sralyn - Dreamweaver · February 2010

Sir_Martin - Lost City wrote: »

I still dont see how you are able to AoE against the Assassins, unless there happens to be a mob next to right at that time.

Find a really good friend that will let you use Siren's Kiss on them? b:chuckle

Gleerock - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Well realy there are no reason t be afraid of them, "oh yes might some people say", but I'll still argue with them, because these are my reasons:

*They can't stealth forever if you run like a "coward" and try to waste their mp, it drains their mp and their mp/reg isn't that high

*If attacked by surprise, what you do are, sleep your enemy, buff 'n' debuff, stun, then nuke(idk what your prefer skill is, plumeshot,cyclone,etc)

*Mostly(99%) of the sins in the high lvls are pure dex, noobs aren't, pure dex is the strongest build for the sin. Gives damn lots of crits, evt, and dmg. But they will be squishy as hell to, and since cleric are range you pown them by slow-attack-sleep-attack combo, etc. before they reach you!

*And if you say that you're arcane armour, I'll just say; if the condition above agrees with your situation and the enemy is dex build, their just like you, look below

*Pure Mag = Pure Dex (As you have low phy.def, they have low mag.def)

*You say shadow escape, but 99% of sins start they pvp attack with stealth~combo and by the time they have low hp, they have already used lots of mp by trying to kill you and you keep buff and debuff, that in the end they can't

*If you see an incautious Assasin chatting, or newly pvp player(can be seen in early duels), you can scare the hell outa him/her with this combo: (opt)heavens wrath->tempest->greater cyclone->elven boon->cyclone->sirens kiss
That should teach sins of whose the place of whom in the food chain xD

*Unless pwi releases a new tt,etc weapon for sins that slashes -100 mp from the enemy you'll be fine

Well those are my reasons, but if by any means that you Can prove me wrong, I'll just say "hey, what do I know, I'm just a lvl 50+ cleric and plays in a PvE server *shrugs* ",
btw as a Warning for all: full arcane spell casters are not to be taken lightly, I powned a full heavy barb in a duel in my lvl 30's with crit or no, first time without crit, second he wanted to have his revenge and I did a crit of 2k+!!

Sir_Martin - Lost City · February 2010

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well realy there are no reason t be afraid of them, "oh yes might some people say", but I'll still argue with them, because these are my reasons:

*They can't stealth forever if you run like a "coward" and try to waste their mp, it drains their mp and their mp/reg isn't that high

*If attacked by surprise, what you do are, sleep your enemy, buff 'n' debuff, stun, then nuke(idk what your prefer skill is, plumeshot,cyclone,etc)

*Mostly(99%) of the sins in the high lvls are pure dex, noobs aren't, pure dex is the strongest build for the sin. Gives damn lots of crits, evt, and dmg. But they will be squishy as hell to, and since cleric are range you pown them by slow-attack-sleep-attack combo, etc. before they reach you!

*And if you say that you're arcane armour, I'll just say; if the condition above agrees with your situation and the enemy is dex build, their just like you, look below

*Pure Mag = Pure Dex (As you have low phy.def, they have low mag.def)

*You say shadow escape, but 99% of sins start they pvp attack with stealth~combo and by the time they have low hp, they have already used lots of mp by trying to kill you and you keep buff and debuff, that in the end they can't

*Remember if you're full Arcane cleric, it's kill or be killed!!

*Unless pwi releases a new tt,etc weapon for sins that slashes -100 mp from the enemy you'll be fine

Well those are my reasons, but if by any means that you prove me wrong, I'll just say "hey, what do I know, I'm just a lvl 50+ cleric and plays in a PvE server *shrugs* ",
btw as a Warning for all: full arcane spell casters are not to be taken lightly, I powned a full heavy barb in a duel in my lvl 30's with crit or no, first time without crit, second he wanted to have his revenge and I did a crit of 2k+!!

JS there stealth costs them 24mp every second >> so he would just have a charm for his mp

Gleerock - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Well as a full Dex Sin they have not much mp, and charms have cooldown so they can't escape at once! And with clerics long range they can kill sins before they leave

Ahira - Lost City · February 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

hmm...
yesh of course.
*goes off to restat HA and use +3 sharded Calamity axes*
b:chuckle

Good choice! the HP bonus on those axes is awesome! b:chuckle

Ahira - Lost City · February 2010

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well as a full Dex Sin they have not much mp, and charms have cooldown so they can't escape at once! And with clerics long range they can kill sins before they leave

It shouldnt really be an issue with 5K mp pots from tokens being so cheap.

Sralyn - Dreamweaver · February 2010

You all seem to forget one thing about stealth.

Maxed it costs 15mp/sec. If they have a cleric friend buff them with Celestial Guardian seal, they are now only using up 5mp/sec. Which is VERY easy to overcome with decent MP recovery gear. Put simply, they can stay in stealth for as long as they damn well please. b:surrender

Mysiopa - Dreamweaver · February 2010

But...doesn't stealth only work if they have a higher awareness level than you? b:surrender

Mrvate - Heavens Tear · February 2010

yes, but they have a skill that increases there awareness lvl up to 20 lvl's basically. so same lvl'd and near lvl'd sin can stealth from you. I had been thinking about rerolling on a pvp server... but sin basically made me decide that I was perfectly content on my pve server. The class itself basically looks like a lure for people who want to rpk.

HieiCleric - Lost City · February 2010

lets break this down:

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*If attacked by surprise, what you do are, sleep your enemy, buff 'n' debuff, stun, then nuke(idk what your prefer skill is, plumeshot,cyclone,etc)

Kinda can't do this cuz they can stun/sleep u b4 u know they're there.

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*Mostly(99%) of the sins in the high lvls are pure dex, noobs aren't, pure dex is the strongest build for the sin. Gives damn lots of crits, evt, and dmg. But they will be squishy as hell to, and since cleric are range you pown them by slow-attack-sleep-attack combo, etc. before they reach you!

Can't do this because if there already planning on attacking you, they're gonna be stealth and therefore your not gonna see em to get the jump on em.

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*And if you say that you're arcane armour, I'll just say; if the condition above agrees with your situation and the enemy is dex build, their just like you, look below

*Pure Mag = Pure Dex (As you have low phy.def, they have low mag.def)

LA gives a decent amount of mag. resist. Enough to not be so weak to the 2-3 mtl skills a cleric has.

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*You say shadow escape, but 99% of sins start their pvp attack with stealth~combo and by the time they have low hp, they have already used lots of mp by trying to kill you and you keep buff and debuff, that in the end they can't

Doubt they're gonna have low hp by the time they have low mp because it only takes 2-3 shots to kill some w/ 1k or so p.def. Then there's also Sir_Martin's point of them being charmed. (and also fixed)

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*If you see an incautious Assasin chatting, or newly pvp player(can be seen in early duels), you can scare the hell outa him/her with this combo: (opt)heavens wrath->tempest->greater cyclone->elven boon->cyclone->sirens kiss
That should teach sins of whose the place of whom in the food chain xD

This one there are SO many problems with. Heaven's Wrath is an aoe skill that stops when you stop channeling. If you were dumb enough to use Heaven's Wrath then your down 1 spark to use Tempest. Elven Boon is a lvl 100 skill. By the time you get to Siren's Kiss in your chain, your not gonna have a spark to use for it. And finally, according to your logic, it's a 3x-4x sin and then that just makes you look like a nub.

Gleerock - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well as a full Dex Sin they have not much mp, and charms have cooldown so they can't escape at once! And with clerics long range they can kill sins before they leave

Clerics are the slowest class in game (along with psychics). And most of the Assassin's are cash shopper's. Therefore: 1. They're gonna wings wings that are equal to or better than your's. 2. If it's on ground, they can outrun you easily.

I think I've made you look like enough of a nub. And btw, your only lvl 54 so gtfo.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · February 2010

also....they has too many control and survivability skills.....
assassins has a 35 Meter instant stun skill.....lasts for 3 seconds.
2 invisibilities....(me think they should get rid of the force invis one...at least in PvP)
25% chance to resist any type of attack.....
25% be way too high.....

those be the biggest problem skills me see so far.
(>.<)'

FanFon - Dreamweaver · February 2010

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

hmm...
yesh of course.
*goes off to restat HA and use +3 sharded Calamity axes*
b:chuckle

*gives u +10 Calamity axes*

Sir_Martin - Lost City · February 2010

Remember what happened when we where in party Hamsta that Dang Sin messed with our Zhen >.< b:surrender poor Accursed the need to nurf that instant invisibility to duel only >>.

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