Wizard VS Veno

I hate to say it but wizards can out damage a Veno.

venomancer is more of a solo class, but is nice to debuff opponents in parties.
wizard is one of the top damage dealers in the game, if youre looking for huge numbers, play wizard, if you want to support/cast go venomancer.

If we are talking about Veno vs Wizz for instances, veno beats Wizzie hands down. A veno can and will replace wizzies.

The combonation of pet attacks (which arent nerfed on bosses), veno attacks and amp will definately contribute to more dmg than a wizzie can do, period. (keep in mind that amp increases by 20% at lvl10 for ALL party members)

Now in PvP situations, it depends on who you are fighting/whats your goal. If you are fighting BM's/Barbs and archers then I would without a doubt take a Wizzie as my right hand man instead of a another veno. ..

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Veno's always seem to forget that there are other bosses than ?bosses in PWI
A veno might out DPS a not yet end game wiz on ?bosses, but outside these bosses, NEVER

Veno's have a different job. Look good, amp, lure b:thanks

Depends on gear level and build. I'm demon LA and have stolen agro from similarly equiped barbs and wizards alike through multiple crits, not even counting my pet damage.

In a long fight a similarly equiped wiz will probably outdamage me, but in the short run its anyone's game.. all that matters for me.

As for party effectiveness, wizard is just a DD, which is nice but incomparable to usefulness of a veno in a squad.

yea most likely a lvl 100 wiz can outdamage every other class for short time.

but when you are fighting a boss, amplify and myriad rainbow (for any 100% reduction of pdef/mdef) or demon ironwood for zero defence (when it happend to land) plus genies skills like tagling mire and extreme poison... its better in the long run. i've seend my pet doing like 16k damage on bosses in 3-1 (and herc has quite a good attack speed) and over 10k reflect damage on other bosses in 2-3 (of course those bosses were debuffed).

yep me think it be better to take like 5 venos and 1 cleric for TT runs due to the no damage reduction on pets.

ryomashi wrote: »

Hi, i kind of new to the game, and i want to hear your opinions about the performance of veno and wizard when we talk about making damage. Is the veno far worse? Or it can replace a wizard in a party when well geared?

Ok, I see 2 questions here: One is about damage comparation, and the other is if a wizard with great gear can replace a veno in a party.

About damage: The wizards do the best damage per hit. They can one shot people. Venos have good damage per second. They can kill people too, but very rarely one shot them.

Can wizard replace veno in a party? What kind of party? If you thought about instance party, then no. Like many have said a veno can replace a wizard, but a wizard cannot replace a veno. This doesn't mean wizards have no special place in intances though. There is something called gv, is an intance where you must kill a lot of mobs quickly and wizards are a must have because they deal a lot of damage.

So which one you should roll? It depends on your playstile. I chose venomancer cause on the offcial web I saw the class descriptions. Venomancers said: best solo class, and since I don't like to depend on people for doing every little thing on my life, I chose this one.

Talking pure damage numbers:

At medium/low levels (say, 35-55) a veno will typically actually have a better damage average than the wizard - though the wizard will do higher 'spikes'. That's not even counting the veno's pet.

At higher levels - pretty much after level 70 the veno stops getting ANY more damage output until they hit 89 (where they do get boosts, though not huge ones). So the wizard overtakes them.

Where the veno IS useful is that they are adding 10% of the whole squads damage (with amplify damage, +20% half the time) another chunk of the physical damage is boosted through the pdef reduction of ironwood, a pet can be using howl to boost the magic damage...

Debuffs are a veno's strong point. They're just really hard to work out how much they are contributing - since the numbers go to other people.



Ok, can a veno REPLACE a wizard?

At some things. If you intend to zhenn - then no. Veno's do get a few AOE spells, but nothing to compare with dragons breath.
Another thing we cannot do is provide second-tier healing (except of the pet)
And finally, if you've got a monster which does huge damage (or stuns or seals. Sassen frassen rassen...) and it needs to die RIGHT NOW - a wizard can spike to kill it far better than a veno can.

Likewise, of course, there are things a wizard can't do. They can't tank physical monsters, they can't apply bramble, they can't give people sparks - and they can't, usually, just say right out of the gate "40% of that bosses hitpoints belong to me."

While venos can hit extremely hard endgame, they will not outdamage a decently statted/geared wizard. Nothing wrong with this though. The role of venos is not just simply damage dealing, which is a good thing as it forces a veno into multi-tasking and can help create a talented player.

Foxymage - Harshlands wrote: »

barbs and wizards are the best end-game classes.

I dunno, some of these end-game HA veno's are pretty damn tough.

Venos are if you like to solo things. Wizard is if you like not being able to do anything on your own (Other than normal questing).

ryomashi wrote: »

Hi, i kind of new to the game, and i want to hear your opinions about the performance of veno and wizard when we talk about making damage. Is the veno far worse? Or it can replace a wizard in a party when well geared?

Wizzard

Pros
-High Damage
-Wanted in squads as DD
-Super awesome end-game (80/90+)

Cons
-Glass Cannon (Can be pro/con but more of con) - this means they hit hard but get hit just as hard or even harder
-MP Demanding/lots and LOTS of pot usage (gets expensive after a while)


My wizzard is at 42 and I love to play him but sometimes the squishyness is somewhat frustrating. He does use a lot of pots, but with the grinding I can cover the cost...just really low profit.

Venomancer

Pros
-Best solo player in game (you can argue this if you want but I just mean in terms of bossing, and killing super strong monsters (elites))
-Very low maintenence (pet takes damage, and none to very little MP/HP pot usage...they get MP/HP healing skills, you may say these are not sustainable but to me I find they are at level 45)
-Able to be successful as a HA (heavy armour), LA (light armour), and arcane armour veno.

Cons
-There are many venomancers, so finding a squad maybe be tough as a squad only needs 1 veno
-Herc/Nix = SUPER expensive...although they are not needed, having one would sure give you an edge

My veno is only 45, and its super easy to solo the quests and minibosses and such. One would say playing a veno is like playing the game on easy mode...nothing wrong with that people play games to relax sometimes not always for a chalenge lol.

Which I like better?

Hmm, tough choice but I guess it depends on mood. If I am tired and just wana relax I'll go on veno...but if I am all hyped and wana see BIG number on my screen I will go on wizz.


Hmm, also as far as your DD ability of veno vs. wizzy goes...well I do not think veno under any circumstance can out damage a wizz, but with Nix I think venos are formidable DDs, especially with the dcrease Def skill of veno I think they + Nix or any high DPS pet (scorpion etc.) can be good if not great DDs.
Hope this helps