PvP/DPS Barb - Does it exist?

Hatara - Harshlands
Hatara - Harshlands Posts: 6 Arc User
edited February 2010 in Barbarian
I've been trying out various classes, since this is the first free MMO I've actually had a good time with for more than a day. I'm wondering what kind of barb builds (if any) have been tried that focus on damage and PvP. How have you distributed your stats? What was your weapon choice? Which skills are important and which are useless?

Now I know somebody is going to say "Barbs are tanks". I'm not interested. I don't ever play MMO's for PvE, that's just a necessary evil as far as I'm concerned and I will do as little of it as possible. I know I could just play a BM, but I'm looking for things that might be fun and are uncommon.

Anyone with advice or experience please chime in.
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  • Lunk_Warleg - Sanctuary
    Lunk_Warleg - Sanctuary Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    As far as the role of the barbarian, the general consensus is that he is needed as a tank not as a damage dealer. For more accurate descriptions of the build read the stikyes on top of the page.
    Regarding the dilemma of barbs DPS, check this link :
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=553941
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  • CornHilario - Heavens Tear
    CornHilario - Heavens Tear Posts: 647 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lunk_Warleg - Sanctuary wrote: »
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=553941

    LOL thread closed.
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  • Brutu - Heavens Tear
    Brutu - Heavens Tear Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Typically, no.

    Yes that barb in the video is doing some good dps, but I would think a fist bm would probably out dps that barb hands down... However I would like to point out that unlike many MMOs out there the tanking class(barb) is actually usable and quite good at pvp as is. You will notice a missing problem in the mid levels due to low dex which is solved at lvl 77 with misties and can be supplemented with the use of bloodbath if completely necessary... This is ontop of their usefulness in fbs/bhs/TTs etc.

    In short, barbs rock at what they do.
  • Shyachi - Heavens Tear
    Shyachi - Heavens Tear Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    wolfgore is by far one of the strongest DPS barbs out there. he'll out damg almost any BM his lvl cause he's just better geared, he's hitting a max of 5 hits per second (fastest the game allows) so no one hits "faster" then him. but again he's ridiculously well equipped costing millions almost billions (probably, i don't have proof of this) anyhoo he's a fist Barb which is out of the norm' so there's no solid grounding with it, as for PvP barbs are very capable of handling themselves Demon path for sure is teh way to go, as for weapon you should pick which ever that fits to your liking the best, personally i like teh TT defensive axes, and Misty rings are a must if you want any chance of hitting stuff
  • Bartack - Heavens Tear
    Bartack - Heavens Tear Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Actually barb with max skills, same level and equips as bm, will almost mirror the BM's dps with fists, and actualy surpass it for 60 seconds. Scroll down the 'wolfgore epeen' thread and you will see i did the math on it.

    (No offense to Wolfgore, he earned that stiffy)
  • Brutu - Heavens Tear
    Brutu - Heavens Tear Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bartack - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Actually barb with max skills, same level and equips as bm, will almost mirror the BM's dps with fists, and actualy surpass it for 60 seconds. Scroll down the 'wolfgore epeen' thread and you will see i did the math on it.

    (No offense to Wolfgore, he earned that stiffy)
    To the best of my knowledge he does not only have 5 vit as he said himself in that thread that his build is designed to tank aswell.... Which means it is probable that he put some points into vit which would lower his dps. Not to mention the bm also has skills which would help him more in pvp(ie interrupt skill and such) and this is what the OP is asking about.

    This all being said, he himself also said it is not advisable using the build unless you sink a very large amount of money(or time) as squads expect you to tank regardless of your dps.
  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The easy answer to the topic question is: Yes, they're called demon barbs.
  • Bartack - Heavens Tear
    Bartack - Heavens Tear Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    My two reference characters were generic, but any class using fists for high dps will have to use expensive gear. I even know of some archers who gear up for 5 hits per second with fists, they are almost a universal dps weapon as long as u have stats for them. Using skills is as easy as hitting your weapon swap button.

    Anyway, barbs will take longer than BM's to start showing higher damage. This is mostly because barbs damage is based more on buffs that depend more on damage from gear than skills when compared to the BM, who has much harder hitting skills, and more of them. Late game, when you start using higher grade weapons, with higher refines, and demon/sage damage buffs, you will find your base damage helps to close the gap with your less impressive skills.

    We do have one of the highest, if not THE highest, damage hitting skills in game. Perdition (or Armageddon) is an AOE skill that uses your hp as a damage base. So if you go full vit tank build, and your attack skills are lacking, your Perdition will destroy. This gives barb building great flexibility depending on your preferences.
  • Brutu - Heavens Tear
    Brutu - Heavens Tear Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bartack - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    My two reference characters were generic, but any class using fists for high dps will have to use expensive gear. I even know of some archers who gear up for 5 hits per second with fists, they are almost a universal dps weapon as long as u have stats for them. Using skills is as easy as hitting your weapon swap button.

    Anyway, barbs will take longer than BM's to start showing higher damage. This is mostly because barbs damage is based more on buffs that depend more on damage from gear than skills when compared to the BM, who has much harder hitting skills, and more of them. Late game, when you start using higher grade weapons, with higher refines, and demon/sage damage buffs, you will find your base damage helps to close the gap with your less impressive skills.

    We do have one of the highest, if not THE highest, damage hitting skills in game. Perdition (or Armageddon) is an AOE skill that uses your hp as a damage base. So if you go full vit tank build, and your attack skills are lacking, your Perdition will destroy. This gives barb building great flexibility depending on your preferences.
    My point was that the barb needs to spend more money on his gear because he isn't just expected to dps, but also to tank, and if he is unable to tank then he will have a very tough time finding a squad. Whereas a bm could have horrible armor and still find a squad simply on the premise that he does good dps.

    This may all be true, however in pure outright dps the bm will still always be above the barb(as seen from your own math) with the addition of skills. Yes between the two in an outright brawl with your math and the barb using poison fang the barb did indeed win, however the blademaster would by far do much better against casters and most other classes as a result of both skills and more base dps.

    Armageddon is nice, but it has it's problems.

    Assuming it's a 1v1 we're talking about you would have to use this skill as an opener, which would be futile if the blademaster sparks right off the bat, and if you were to wait till later in the fight the damage would be decreased drastically, not to mention the blademaster if he is observant enough could disrupt the channelling of armageddon all together.

    Do not get me wrong, I love barbs and I love when people including wolfgore make strange tactics that somehow work and work well, but blademasters will simply do the job better and easier then a barb.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bartack - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    My two reference characters were generic, but any class using fists for high dps will have to use expensive gear. I even know of some archers who gear up for 5 hits per second with fists, they are almost a universal dps weapon as long as u have stats for them.

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  • Bartack - Heavens Tear
    Bartack - Heavens Tear Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes Hamsta, with enough reset scrolls, even u can fist 5 hits per second, and buff yourself with frost blade thingy...dps would still be good but...yeah don't think id recommend it...the phys defense would be pretty sweet though.

    Just saying fisting at 5 hits per second is universal, all u need is demon spark and **** load of cash for -int gears. At that point, only useful skill in bm fist tree is the interrupt, everything else just slows down the dps.

    1-1 is not the only situation you are gonna find yourself in pvp, unless u just like to duel. Fists are just another tool in the box, as is Armageddon, and there are plenty of situations where u do NOT open with that skill. But if you are looking for highest dps for a typical barb, you will probably go demon, and probably use zerk axes and as much +crit gear as u can get your hands on. Demon spark+demon onslaught+faceroll...that is all.

    Edit* oh wait, u casters dont get increased attack speed with sparks do u? Darn, was gonna try to convince you to do it too lol. Sry Hamsta.

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