Soul of Vengence=Stupid?

Derketo - Lost City
Derketo - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Psychic
im not sure if anyone else hav found this out
ok heres my problem with it how ever small but i still think is stupid why is the cooldown 10min and duration 10mins its a buff that u can cast on others. 10min cooldown is way 2 long by the time u can cast it agin its wore off

my proposels
either make it a self buff (can only buff urself with it)
Or
change the cooldown time so u can buff a squad with it
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    no one is gonna want to be buffed by it because it sucks mana. I always ask in squads if they want it.. and i almost always get a no.
    So maybe just self buff.
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  • Hypnos - Raging Tide
    Hypnos - Raging Tide Posts: 1,235 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    use it to harass other as I say...cast it on bm, or barb, those that you hate >:]
    well if you want to make it a squad buff, better remove the mana draining
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  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    mana sucking should not be here it not good for any class except venomancer



    barb,bm,archer have way too low mana pool to use it
    cleric,mage,psychic are in big need of mana to use their skills
    venomancer dont really need mana and they have 2 mana skills
    sin i have no idea i guess they are really like archer
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  • Teny - Heavens Tear
    Teny - Heavens Tear Posts: 260 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    This is the most useless skill that a Psychic has.

    Cast it on people you don't like if you have to squad with them, let their mp get owned if they get hit.

    It does almost no damage regardless of how high the soul force goes.
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  • Elkier - Harshlands
    Elkier - Harshlands Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    O.o Now you know why psychics are called a sacrificing class lol
  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Teny - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is the most useless skill that a Psychic has.

    Cast it on people you don't like if you have to squad with them, let their mp get owned if they get hit.

    It does almost no damage regardless of how high the soul force goes.

    Soul of Vengeance = most useless skill ? I don't agree. I like Soul of Vengeance, deals a reasonable amount of damage, and is probably very useful once you have a good amount of Soulforce.
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  • Symce - Raging Tide
    Symce - Raging Tide Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The higher your soulforce, the more damage it returns.

    As such, the higher level you are, the more useful this skill actually becomes.

    I notice at my lvl I get hit for say 300-400 damage I reflect back double the amount. I wouldn't call it useless at all.
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  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    PequetteV - Lost City wrote: »
    mana sucking should not be here it not good for any class except venomancer



    barb,bm,archer have way too low mana pool to use it
    cleric,mage,psychic are in big need of mana to use their skills
    venomancer dont really need mana and they have 2 mana skills
    sin i have no idea i guess they are really like archer

    The highlighted classes actually like this buff when they're tanking magic bosses. The mp taken away is unnoticeable to a wiz.b:chuckle

    And to OP, it's not meant to be buffed on to multiple people at once, that's why the cooldown is the same as the duration.
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  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Symce - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The higher your soulforce, the more damage it returns.

    As such, the higher level you are, the more useful this skill actually becomes.

    I notice at my lvl I get hit for say 300-400 damage I reflect back double the amount. I wouldn't call it useless at all.


    but also the more is your soulforce the more it suck mana :S


    * for ElderSig .. im psychic and i really dont like getting that skill on our mp go away already fast enough
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    At lv 80 psychic should already has 10k soul force.
    The vengeance damage should be around 800 damage and drain mp around 40 each time get hit.
    This is not buff for class with low magic or melee class that get hit a lot.
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    PequetteV - Lost City wrote: »
    but also the more is your soulforce the more it suck mana :S


    * for ElderSig .. im psychic and i really dont like getting that skill on our mp go away already fast enough
    Nope always sucks 100 mana for every hit.And yes I rather ahve it on myself than put in on others.
  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Soul Vengeance : (Lvl the skill only change range & mana used on cast)
    Make the target reflect a Physical damage to the attacker.
    The damage is equal to 8% of the caster's Soulforce.
    Every successful reflection will cost the damage taker's Mana
    by 0.4%     of the caster's Soulforce.
    If the damage taker has insufficient Mana,
    no damage will be reflected, but the effect will remain until time expires.
    Lasts for 10 minutes.

    With 10000 Soul Force, 8% of it is 800 damage, and 0,4% of it is 40 mana.
    Or the description typed wrong ? b:surrender

    Sorry if i type wrong, my english bad and i guess i am a noob.
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  • Daose - Harshlands
    Daose - Harshlands Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Soul Vengeance : (Lvl the skill only change range & mana used on cast)
    Make the target reflect a Physical damage to the attacker.
    The damage is equal to 8% of the caster's Soulforce.
    Every successful reflection will cost the damage taker's Mana
    by 0.4%     of the caster's Soulforce.
    If the damage taker has insufficient Mana,
    no damage will be reflected, but the effect will remain until time expires.
    Lasts for 10 minutes.

    With 10000 Soul Force, 8% of it is 800 damage, and 0,4% of it is 40 mana.
    Or the description typed wrong ? b:surrender

    Sorry if i type wrong, my english bad and i guess i am a noob.

    I believe that is correct, which is why I don't really understand why people are complaining about the MP drain. It's so minimal.
  • Snow_Flake - Raging Tide
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    A psychic cast Soul of Vengeance on my BH party's barb yesterday.
    Almost a squad wipe because he had no MP to keep aggro >.<"

    Furthermore, he was ganked by the mobs.
    You could have foreseen what came next if the barb wasn't a higher level than us who did the BH b:surrender
  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    they have only around 2-3k mp vengeance take 40 mp each hit

    let say they have 3000/40=75 hits that they can received
    but wait they also need to cast their own skill which is around 40mp each time they use it if i remember


    3000/80= 37 hits that they can get, as u can see it really not alot
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  • PandaXpresss - Harshlands
    PandaXpresss - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hope the above isn't about barbs, cuz I only have bout 1.4k mp, if even that.

    I'm pretty sure there's a typo in the skill description, each attack from guarnob/polearm took 100+ mp via soul of vengeance, so that's only 13 hits. Not counting skills, yes our skills are cheap but our mp regen is even worse.

    Back then could tank fb69 with only 1-2 mp pots. With soul, went to bout 15+ mp pots.
  • PequetteV - Lost City
    PequetteV - Lost City Posts: 1,202 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    wont surprise me that teh skill have typo 1/3 have typo XD
    look like i was generous with 3k mp ;)
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  • ElderSig - Dreamweaver
    ElderSig - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,247 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I just used that skill on my psychic.. I believe it's lvl 5 or so.


    Took 10 or so mp on the hit, so no... it doesn't take 100 mp per reflect.

    And if it does for you, you might want verify your files, you might have missed an update or something.
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Nope always sucks 100 mana for every hit.And yes I rather ahve it on myself than put in on others.

    Even if it was 100 b:chuckle
    It's not like does anything in a 13k mp pool
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  • PandaXpresss - Harshlands
    PandaXpresss - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Have they changed the skill recently then? Haven't done bhs with psychics recently.

    And @ sirrobert... hope you don't get hit that much =P
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Man why people if don't believe me don't test it?As I said each hit drains 100 mana.A barb(even a lvl 90 one doesn't have more than 1400 mana)get's drained in several hits.Remeber it doesn't wear off not even if you die so 10 mins which it last now it's alot and you should never cast it unless the barb has mana charm.A good agrrro skill on the barb that stacks well with bramble so can be very good in case of high DDs but as I said useless unless he has a maa charm which will be sooo *****.
  • Barbariankev - Heavens Tear
    Barbariankev - Heavens Tear Posts: 831 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Man why people if don't believe me don't test it?As I said each hit drains 100 mana.A barb(even a lvl 90 one doesn't have more than 1400 mana)get's drained in several hits.Remeber it doesn't wear off not even if you die so 10 mins which it last now it's alot and you should never cast it unless the barb has mana charm.A good agrrro skill on the barb that stacks well with bramble so can be very good in case of high DDs but as I said useless unless he has a maa charm which will be sooo *****.

    i wouldnt be to happy with it even when i had a mp charm because my charm would literaly get eaten
    its impossible to always do the right thing we all make mistakes i am not different from that
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Barbariankev - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i wouldnt be to happy with it even when i had a mp charm because my charm would literaly get eaten

    <It's what i said but the word got censored b:laugh r@ped.
  • Solinah - Dreamweaver
    Solinah - Dreamweaver Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »
    no one is gonna want to be buffed by it because it sucks mana. I always ask in squads if they want it.. and i almost always get a no.
    So maybe just self buff.

    It sucks mana?
    I never noticed O_O
    But only when other races use it, no?
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    To you too but you don't get hit often(i hope so)so 3-4 hits it's nothing.
  • Solinah - Dreamweaver
    Solinah - Dreamweaver Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Oh!
    D:
    Thats why I never noticed it.
    But does it get better when you upgrade the skill, do you lose less mana?
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nope always 100 mana per every hit you take.
  • Risingson - Lost City
    Risingson - Lost City Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You don't lose 100 mana every hit, that's for Soul of Silence, Retaliation and Stunning. Soul of Vengeance costs 0.4% of your Soulforce everytime you reflect damage.
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  • MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear
    MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,377 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I am already say the same thing on post no13.
    With 10k soul force (around lv 80), the vengeance drain only cost 40 mana and if the build was pure caster the psychic already has 7k mp.
    With 5k soul force the mana drain only cost 20 mana, and of course it going to eat barb mp so fast.

    I think these buff only benefit a caster class or magic build, so don't give it to non magic class or melee build.
    It also can give damage to ranged attacker, b:bye isn't these going to hurt a lot for ranged class if melee class can get these buff with no mana drain in pvp ?
    I also think maybe people say it stupid, because psychic don't have mana recovery skill ? b:surrender
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Risingson - Lost City wrote: »
    You don't lose 100 mana every hit, that's for Soul of Silence, Retaliation and Stunning. Soul of Vengeance costs 0.4% of your Soulforce everytime you reflect damage.

    Yes, because all skil discriptions in PWI are correct
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