Original Builds

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
edited January 2010 in General Discussion
So.... I finally got round to making a proper thread about it. Undoubtedly I'll get flamed for not letting this subject die and being like the crowd, but I'm not too fussed really.
First off, if you're gonna flame just hit that back button on your browser now. Do it now. Yes, some original builds aren't as good as the standard. We all know. But not everything's about being the best. If you're thinking "what the heck is seph on? Must pwn everyone! o.o" ...then also hit that back button. Constructive criticism on possible improvements, sure. Flames are not welcome though. (It's sad I even have to say that)

So anyway, as I've promised a few people, here's my paliden. Delay since pw cal was down. Self buffs only, then fully buffed.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d5399d4360959f4b
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=a1c12a3e850e6493

She's built like a BM. Obviously low hp and attack was the main issue so I tried to compensate with a good weapon, shards and plenty of hp/vit bonuses (hence 3* over TT70). Since she was originally just an alt, up to now she's been entirely self funded, no marketing, cash shopping or taking money from my main. AH is your friend here.

Started off as a joke one day, my wife made a male archer and we made crazy builds, but found the build so fun I eventually stuck with it. No melee skills, spark or weapon mastery sucks, but bb, rb, a full range of self heals and purify is pretty sweet. Plume shell (and soon guardian light)+HA is silly. I can still solo heal up to fb51 and heal La/AA on drake and glutt fb59. And solo PvE with constant buffs and heal is ridiculously easy.

Decent results in public quest too. Usually I somehow do rather well. Won several in fact and very rarely lost to another cleric. Of course, a skilled veno, physic or 2 person zhen group usually wins hands down.
Ingame pic.
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It tends to upset a lot of people when they find out I'm a guy b:chuckle

Soooo.. Your turn :P Thread isn't just about wtf-clerics. Share your own ideas and experiences with trying out original builds or variations to standard builds....
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  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I like the idea of custom builds. Too bad rerolling a class from one build to another is expensive, else yeah, I'd be in custom builds. I'm just...

    1) Still trying to learn the gameplay basics of each class (I have the knowledge, not the experience);
    2) Not rich enough to reroll if I **** up;
    3) Too lazy to invest enough time since I can't reroll easily.

    I used to play another game where I had a ton of viable custom builds, and I often scared outside-faction teammates... by acting as a puller on a bow-wielding "squishy" using LA-equivalent armor. I've gotten a lotta **** for that, but I've also received apologies when I dragged people with me and we'd kill much faster than most regular groups.

    So yeah, I actually do believe in custom builds being effective... and I'm interested in seeing what's viable and not hindering. I don't wanna end up being completely useless in a fight, but I'd like to have some fun doing stuff people never think I could pull off with XYZ class.
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Pretty tight build there DarkSeph. I like it. I also like the 'out of the box' thinking. It's nice to see people not all cookie cutter.

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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Them XS archers are scary. b:shocked
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  • Azus - Heavens Tear
    Azus - Heavens Tear Posts: 64 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hmmm, now that actually looks quite effective. I am sure you could pull off some decent physical attacks, and take a lot of punishment (especially with your buffs). I suppose the only downside would be your spells don't get much of a bonus due to the base magic stat.

    Do you find it hard to get squads sometimes?
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  • Ysionris - Sanctuary
    Ysionris - Sanctuary Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I've done a pure melee Wizard before. It was fun. b:cute

    Once I got Emberstorm though, I restat to pure vit. b:victory

    I love builds like these, even though I rarely could ever do one, but you've done quite a nice job. :D
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  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Interesting idea seph. I must confess that I'm not usually the one who experiments with crazy builds, but it's always fun to try them out when yu have ideas.b:cool
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  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ysionris - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I've done a pure melee Wizard before. It was fun. b:cute

    Once I got Emberstorm though, I restat to pure vit. b:victory

    I love builds like these, even though I rarely could ever do one, but you've done quite a nice job. :D

    Oh so THAT's the skill I've heard about... people going full-vit and once they've hit high levels, are insanely powerful due to the damage it deals. Just never knew the name.

    Making me wanna try to make a melee wiz now >_>. I just wonder how to pull it off nicely.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    It may not be to bad as you can cover for the other Cleric and do the ressing.This is when squading.
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  • Ysionris - Sanctuary
    Ysionris - Sanctuary Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oh so THAT's the skill I've heard about... people going full-vit and once they've hit high levels, are insanely powerful due to the damage it deals. Just never knew the name.

    Making me wanna try to make a melee wiz now >_>. I just wonder how to pull it off nicely.

    Full Vit/Heavy Armor Wizards in the higher levels who are built around Emberstorm are pretty much like Barbs. If you have a BM with you to stun and dragon while you charge up Emberstorm fully, you can clean Archosaur just like that (of course, depending on where you drop, etc). If you fail, you'd be HA so you'd take some hits before you died anyway.

    Of course, Full Mag Triple Sparked attacks are much more practical, but **** that. b:laugh
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  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Emberstorm suicide bomber b:dirty

    But hey that paladin build looks pretty nice actually, for being totally off the wall. I doubt you'd find a cleric with that much hp at level 78, so you've done good with armour choices I think...I'm curious, have you tried TTs? How have those worked for you if so.
  • Avalon - Raging Tide
    Avalon - Raging Tide Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wait, can you still use your skills with those axes? O.o Like, Ironheart and purify or w/e?
  • Ysionris - Sanctuary
    Ysionris - Sanctuary Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Avalon - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Wait, can you still use your skills with those axes? O.o Like, Ironheart and purify or w/e?

    He probably has the g1 wand on a hotkey.
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  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You need a mag weapon to cast skills, or you can do it barehanded. The lvl 1 magic weapon has a low enough requirement to equip, but matk would still be very very low.
  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lol, ember storm is the closest a non-barb is gonna get to armageddon =D

    (half your post was about people flaming..)


    Do you use cleric spells to grind? Or the axes? Or both? (llike attack from range, and when he gets close u melee)
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  • Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear
    Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear Posts: 701 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ Is not reliable as its calc's dont use same PWI mechanics values as in PWI.
    I found this out testing builds and stats comparing magic resistance for a BM, I will just mention few things.

    1- http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ counts 1 magic resistance point as 1 of each res points, meaning, +1 Mag res in http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ is = +1metal,+1fire,+1earth,+1wood,+1water res at a same time. Where as in Pwi default value on +1 Mag res = +3,18resmetal,+3,18resfire,+3,18researth,+3,18reswood,+3,18reswater
    2- I am almost 100% sure (but someone will have to double check this also) that vit points at http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/ are calculated as == +1metal,+1fire,+1earth,+1wood,+1water where as in PWI 1vit point for a BM = 4,5res.

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  • Super_Trout - Dreamweaver
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I applaud people who go off the wall and make crazy builds like this (I mean hey, that's how the HA veno was made, wasn't it?)

    Storm - His cleric DD spells are going to be completely pointless compared to his melee attacks. The only one I can think of that would be semi-practical would be Thunderball (Yes, I used the words Thunderball and practical in the same sentence) because with a build like that, the damage over time + melee attacks will probably severely outdo spamming magic attacks.
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  • XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary
    XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary Posts: 683 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    (I mean hey, that's how the HA veno was made, wasn't it?)

    umm ha veno makes sense tho because veno foxform uses physical attacks. It would have had to been a viable build from the start. Lots of str = lots of psychical dmg it makes sense... thats why its used in pvp, not just pve. Pve is anything goes really, i have a archer veno that uses a cactus.. its silly but not proven effective... pvp is where anything would become a proven build.
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  • Nightwhisper - Harshlands
    Nightwhisper - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You could try a HA cleric, i was playing around with one of thoes...
    this is a link:

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=5c00f0626ac18ed4

    This is of course a very end game cleric.

    Some fun things to consider... what if you stacked -int on a HA cleric.. get a sword or a wand attacks at 0.8 seconds/ attack. a few -int gear.. well you would do some really decent damage plus you would have magic damage and better survivability.

    EDIT: I was playing around with it as a wizard, just take off the wizard buff - same stats as a cleric
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well I made an arcane assassin but don't have time to play it. If someone else wants to try the build and run with it, be my guest.

    Build is 1 str, 3 mag, 6 dex every 2 levels. This gets you close to what you need to wear arcane armor for your level (a few points shy, but a single magic+ item covers it). Idea is that it lets you fight magic mobs at range easily, and be a robekiller in PK. Also plenty of MP for skills (and really long stealth times).

    Biggest problem I've found with it so far is that the ingame quests try to force you to wear light armor. They made all the arcane stuff Psychic-only.
  • Elyiawatson - Sanctuary
    Elyiawatson - Sanctuary Posts: 15 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    =D just a HA archer. I like to use fists since that equals more demon sparking.

    But here is me with my bow, which is rare.
    *whispers* The secret is out.

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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Magic weapon I'm currently using is...

    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/12841

    Only weapon in the game I believe to not require any magic stat to equip.

    It is pretty hard to find squads, but eventually you learn not to let it bother you. After all, if you worry too much what others think you're playing the game for them, not yourself. Any squads I do join usually go well enough. I rez alot of clerics in bh, in bad pulls I can sit under plume shell and spam IH and take a massive beating no problem. I think I'm one of the few players who catches lured/agro'd mobs with sleep too, maxed it gives a lot of free time to organize. And I can add to DD with constant dimen/elem seal or even rb. So not the most effective but can still contribute.

    @ Nightwhisper

    Played around with that a bit, ended up with this. (fully buffed)

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=780d199660dc77f7

    Can still hotkey and use a Neon Puragatory +10 at 9400 magic attack. Rings can be hotkey'd too for instant switch between lunar might and magic. And 6700 attack with 16% crit rate on a GX. Now THAT'd be a paliden.

    You can do some pretty crazy things with money. O_o
  • Marian_anna - Heavens Tear
    Marian_anna - Heavens Tear Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wow actually that's pretty impressive. I say let's not all be cookie cutter and try something a little different some time. I myself happen to be a full melee veno so I can kinda see the standpoint of it
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Marian_anna - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Wow actually that's pretty impressive. I say let's not all be cookie cutter and try something a little different some time. I myself happen to be a full melee veno so I can kinda see the standpoint of it
    In game pictures:
    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/poop15267/Angel/Perfect%20World/2009-11-1216-49-35.jpg
    http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b158/poop15267/Angel/Perfect%20World/2009-12-2922-00-50.jpg

    nice =o

    Always wanted to try a melee veno, the thought of having bramble guard/hood, transfuse, meta/natures and a decent working spark erupt along with a pet on backup too seems pretty awesome.
  • Marian_anna - Heavens Tear
    Marian_anna - Heavens Tear Posts: 167 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    nice =o

    Always wanted to try a melee veno, the thought of having bramble guard/hood, transfuse, meta/natures and a decent working spark erupt along with a pet on backup too seems pretty awesome.

    The thing with me though is that I don't use pets and I only use bramble guard/hood with a dual spark eruption and it seems to work very well for me.
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  • Nightwhisper - Harshlands
    Nightwhisper - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    there is a new interesting veno trick:

    Equip a fist, brake it (0 durability), go into fox forum (your considered unarmed), Repair fists. your a fist wielding fox!

    theoretically you could even get more Dmg then a BM doing this because you have 200% meelay attack bonus.

    Get a DD pet and go to town!
  • Bijorin - Dreamweaver
    Bijorin - Dreamweaver Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I'm trying to level a melee/fox form Veno atm. Don't know what I'm doing xD

    Anyone tried a magic sword BM? Assuming magic swords could be used with the BM's sword/blade skills...
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  • PandaTheWise - Sanctuary
    PandaTheWise - Sanctuary Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I did the same thing as OP a few months back.
    It really is quite fun in PvP. :)
  • Darksylph - Heavens Tear
    Darksylph - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,816 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bijorin - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Anyone tried a magic sword BM? Assuming magic swords could be used with the BM's sword/blade skills...

    BMs cant use Magic Swords to activate Sword skills. The Blacksmith categories are aligned to skill requirements. Magic Swords fall under magic weapons and not sword/blade.
  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Elyiawatson - Sanctuary wrote: »
    =D just a HA archer. I like to use fists since that equals more demon sparking.

    But here is me with my bow, which is rare.
    *whispers* The secret is out.

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    I gather that red genie like thing near the head is your demon fairy.I tried a poleblade on a alt archer.What does it is do when you click the fairy?
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You can't click on sage/demon fairys.
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