Leader to Leader Question about large factions

Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver
Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 294 Arc User
edited May 2010 in General Discussion
Hi,
My faction overall has a low turn over rate. And usually gets along smashingly. But lately they are bickering like crazy and all about ONE DAMN TOPIC!! Being ignored or not getting their question/BH/Squad answered. I have been wracking my brain for an answer to this issue in our guild because until the last 3 weeks it's never been a problem. But we have 180 active members (and then banks and a few alts) and squad chat FLIES By. We are all in the same channel in vent and usually this is fine too but even there people are not getting answered from time to time. Every member is important to me so I am hoping from suggestions here. Thanks, stazb:thanksb:surrender
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  • AndyNagato - Lost City
    AndyNagato - Lost City Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    let them know that the chat isnt all about them, others have lives, and their own plans. they can look for BH help within guild if they want, but its not like there is always going to be 6 free guildies. if people start drama, deliver demotions/banhammers. :v
  • haybails
    haybails Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Could give your marshals set level ranges or a group of players to oversee for these matters and offer the marshal an exec or 2 as their deputy for when not available?
  • OneHottShot - Heavens Tear
    OneHottShot - Heavens Tear Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You should refer to someones thread about Bh killing the fun.

    This could be your main problem.

    In my faction, I encourage everyone to ask if they are doing a bh if anyone else needs it. However; I tell them there are enough people who need the same bh out in the rest of perfect world. They should not expect 5 high level people to drop what they are doing and run to do their bh for them.

    Anyone who has this philosophy I would recommend you kick from your faction. That person is going to whine, gripe, and complain and demand everything done right the second they need it from then on.

    I do things as fast as I can, but I'm only one leader. If no 1 else can do it, they just have to sit and wait til I can get to it. Bh's though are an entirely different matter, there are literally 100's of other people needing bh's done every day. For most all, anyone can find a squad at the platform where the bounty hunter is.

    You might also suggest that they get a squad they go with all the time.

    As per the bickering, get more stern. I allow 0 drama in my faction. If people are bickering or fighting I ask them to take it to pm. If they continue I warn them, this is your final warning. If they still won't stop, I use that kick from faction button. Remember that anyone who continues doing something you've asked them not to do isn't just disrespecting you. They are also disrespecting everyone else in the faction. If you continue to let that happen you are going to lose members. Most people have their own problems in real life and do not want to see random ppl bickering/complaining and arguing in a game.

    I've kicked out level 80's and 90's with no hesitation. Figure out what your goals are for your faction and perhaps make yourself a page with faction rules on it that people can look at and know what is expected. I have a faction forum with the faction rules on it. Everyone knows what I do and don't allow in faction chat. Much like here, certain topics cause flaming/trolling. If you keep those topics out of your faction chat, it will eliminate the chance for arguments.

    Anyways /giant wall of text! Good Luck!
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    When I'm doing BH I always ask in faction who need it too. If nobody, then I ask at BH NPC. If nobody I'm doing WQ and watching wc. Sometimes I ask in faction again. And when somebody need it we start and fill up the squad with people outside of faction. Easy.
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  • Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver
    Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    In my 5 months as Leader and another 6 as Director I can honestly say We rarely use the ban button. That's too easy a solution. And Doesnt solve anything and often creates more problems than it actually solves. I know it's just a game but there are still people behind the screens and they need to be respected. Maybe cuz I am a mom I am serious about respect and honor in my faction. So, what else ya got lol
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  • Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver
    Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You should refer to someones thread about Bh killing the fun.

    This could be your main problem.

    In my faction, I encourage everyone to ask if they are doing a bh if anyone else needs it. However; I tell them there are enough people who need the same bh out in the rest of perfect world. They should not expect 5 high level people to drop what they are doing and run to do their bh for them.

    Anyone who has this philosophy I would recommend you kick from your faction. That person is going to whine, gripe, and complain and demand everything done right the second they need it from then on.

    I do things as fast as I can, but I'm only one leader. If no 1 else can do it, they just have to sit and wait til I can get to it. Bh's though are an entirely different matter, there are literally 100's of other people needing bh's done every day. For most all, anyone can find a squad at the platform where the bounty hunter is.

    You might also suggest that they get a squad they go with all the time.

    As per the bickering, get more stern. I allow 0 drama in my faction. If people are bickering or fighting I ask them to take it to pm. If they continue I warn them, this is your final warning. If they still won't stop, I use that kick from faction button. Remember that anyone who continues doing something you've asked them not to do isn't just disrespecting you. They are also disrespecting everyone else in the faction. If you continue to let that happen you are going to lose members. Most people have their own problems in real life and do not want to see random ppl bickering/complaining and arguing in a game.

    I've kicked out level 80's and 90's with no hesitation. Figure out what your goals are for your faction and perhaps make yourself a page with faction rules on it that people can look at and know what is expected. I have a faction forum with the faction rules on it. Everyone knows what I do and don't allow in faction chat. Much like here, certain topics cause flaming/trolling. If you keep those topics out of your faction chat, it will eliminate the chance for arguments.

    Anyways /giant wall of text! Good Luck!

    Thanks for your comments and yeah this is a good rule of thumb. It's just getting out of hand at the moment. We have rules in place and I guess I need to revisit that page again and take a look at editing a few things. I don't allow drama either and I don't tolerate bickering so this has to stop. Thanks again for the comments atm. Much appreciated and thanks for taking time out of your day to answer my question. and yes the new BH system is for the birds. As if I didn't hate it enough in the beginning they made it worse. No offense PWI but ya did.
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Simple. 3 bh's a day has everyone gone mad trying to get BH's done. It's all people do, Bh all day long. It's only inevitable the more impatient people in a faction are going to be unable to find a squad and start demanding players to help them.

    The triple BH system is the most flawed idea pw has ever come up with. For the exp-hungry player their life becomes spamming dailies from when they log on until they log off. This causes a lot of stress and drama and hassle ingame, since it stops becoming fun and turns into an exp-drive.

    Players that used to help, now also have their days consumed by dailes. Therefore player interaction is reduced drastically...unless it's for bh of course =/
  • OneHottShot - Heavens Tear
    OneHottShot - Heavens Tear Posts: 704 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    In my 5 months as Leader and another 6 as Director I can honestly say We rarely use the ban button. That's too easy a solution. And Doesnt solve anything and often creates more problems than it actually solves. I know it's just a game but there are still people behind the screens and they need to be respected. Maybe cuz I am a mom I am serious about respect and honor in my faction. So, what else ya got lol

    I am not some teenage person either. I am a mother to an 8 year old and a 5 year old. I have a soft spot myself. Especially for anyone with a disability. I have members in here that are level 30 who level maybe one time a month. But they are enjoyable to have around when they are online. I have a son with tourettes syndrome, I am a softy. I admit it. However; I try really hard to make sure everyone is equally respected, sometimes that means letting go of members who go nuts in faction chat.

    It is just a game, and there are people behind the toons. Those people often don't use the same respect, and courtesy they should. It is very unlikely that any of them would walk up to someone on the street and say the things they say in faction/world chat. IMO, there are factions out there that like those type of people; let them go there!

    The ban button isn't as bad as it sounds. You might find after you kick someone who blatantly seems to cause trouble that your members say stuff like "I'm glad you did that" or "what took you so long" or "they had that coming". I kicked someone just yesterday who had been in my faction for over a week. He suddenly started being so disrespectful. Talking about he was a member of Al Quida (however u spell it)That he like Saddam Hussein and wanted to work for him etc... just all kinds of stuff. I kicked him immediately. There was no sense in that. I have other people in my faction that I know are from Saudi Arabia. But we never cross that line. Stuff like that is reason to cause trouble and/or grief for others. Anyways after I kicked him those responses are what I saw. "thanks" and "I saw that coming" and "he should be more respectful of others". Sometimes people forget that we play this game with people ALL OVER THE WORLD!! Not just those in our neighborhood or our country.

    sorry about the wall of text again... but don't feel so bad about the ban button. Its there just for those people who can't respect anyone else.
  • Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver
    Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hey, QforQ and Spoons or Xar, or someone can we do something about that please.

    If we as Leaders are saying the same thing about our factions that we are all having this new frustration in game. It means there are a lot of irritated people out there playing this game instead of playing it together being happy. Happy players means good gold prices. Good gold prices means we spend more in game. Which means more money in PWI's pocket. So, can something be done about this?

    I know my usual forte is to be a smartass and joke around and be silly but I am truly worried about this one. So no humping today.b:surrender
    Everyone needs a good innocent girly hump every now & then.
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  • /Groovy/ - Harshlands
    /Groovy/ - Harshlands Posts: 688 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I prefer doing BHs with randoms. Can compare skills and gear with players of my level. Good for socialising too.
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  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I've had to deal with the same problem before. I always advise them to find a team by BH guy or in archo. I'd even worldchat for them, but I don't usually help on BH unless they got ditched by their team or something unusual.

    BH gives that much exp for a reason. You have to work for it and not just have high levels blast it through for you. Since your faction is a lot bigger than mine, your members should have an easier time finding BH within faction. If they get upset because there are not always people in a faction of your size do help/do BH with, then they are expecting too much. Unless you want to run each of their BH's, they really need to lower their expectation. If they get upset and leaves for another factions, well, they won't find them to be any better if not worse.
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  • XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver
    XanZerstorer - Dreamweaver Posts: 505 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I am not some teenage person either. I am a mother to an 8 year old and a 5 year old. I have a soft spot myself. Especially for anyone with a disability. I have members in here that are level 30 who level maybe one time a month. But they are enjoyable to have around when they are online. I have a son with tourettes syndrome, I am a softy. I admit it. However; I try really hard to make sure everyone is equally respected, sometimes that means letting go of members who go nuts in faction chat.

    It is just a game, and there are people behind the toons. Those people often don't use the same respect, and courtesy they should. It is very unlikely that any of them would walk up to someone on the street and say the things they say in faction/world chat. IMO, there are factions out there that like those type of people; let them go there!

    I feel the same as you do. I'm a part of the minority's minority I guess (LGBT gamer, I don't meet those too often mind you) and there's nothing that I hate more than people who are disrespectful. I've kicked people in the past for it, as everyone is warned of who/what's in my faction - I've issued my officers to do the same, and they do it.

    Doesn't happen often, I gotta admit. We may be small in terms of activity (about 8-20 people on at the same time throughout the day), but we get along very well.

    - Last time I've seen a real fight in Feral chat was... oh boy. About 5 months back.
    - Last time I personally kicked someone for heavy disrespect/racism/homophobia was about 3 months ago. You just don't come off as racist, and blaming it on the fact you've been drinking and might be high. You also don't PM your **** leader that you can't stand him anymore 'cause you learned he was **** like 10 minutes ago... while you've been in the faction for a month.
    - Talking to a member into leaving faction... about 2 months ago, and if the dude had not PMed 3 of my AFK officers, yelling that if they weren't in front of their computer they needed to log off... I probably wouldn't have kicked him. But the guy was impatient as hell and I had several members who blacklisted him. After all, maybe I'd have kicked him anyways >_>.

    EDIT: Huh... yeah. I went a bit off-topic, lol.

    Okay for BH, I just monitor level range when they're most succeptible to log on. Don't wanna wait, can't attend faction runs? Try to find outside squads. Yes I know they suck sometimes, but I can't even my own BH within my own faction anymore... so don't start complaining your faction can't help you.

    And it's normal stuff gets lost in chat. Ask again later, when chat has died down a bit. People have to realize they're not the only one in a 160-man faction.
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  • Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver
    Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Thanks for the input...
    Everyone needs a good innocent girly hump every now & then.
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  • RikuH - Dreamweaver
    RikuH - Dreamweaver Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You also have to think about the old members and new members.

    most of the members that have been in the guild for a long time they are used to do things together, get their bh's with the same squad members, and most of the times, are full squads, and when a new member join, they can't help him/her because the "usual" squad is full and don't want to invest/waste time with another bh that they don't need.

    This force them to get all the things they need outside the fac, with time the only thought they have is that the fac is ignoring new players

    I tell you this as player that were in the same fac since the server opened, that's how things works for the players that joined the faction first. Also I put myself in the shoes of new players in the fac, because I recently joined a new one
  • Giodia - Heavens Tear
    Giodia - Heavens Tear Posts: 475 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I understand that my faction may not be able to help me all the time.

    I'm pretty self-reliant on BH, quests and maybe PUG some boss mob while asking the people nearby.

    Every faction is bound to have problems and drama and qq are just one of those.

    So set the house rules and ask the kids to play nice. (Being a mom should give you plenty of experience already b:cute )
  • Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver
    Nymfysubstaz - Dreamweaver Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    And Rikuh we are happy you are with XBushidoX. You are an incredible asset to our factionb:kiss
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  • Autumn_Hope - Dreamweaver
    Autumn_Hope - Dreamweaver Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hiya Staz...remember me hehe :D

    Im over on Arch server with a pretty decent guild of my own now...and you hit the nail on the head, we go out of our way to answer people and make sure they are not ignored, but it never fails, always a couple that cry like babies if they arnt answered right away.

    We have done almost all the suggestions as mentioned in this thread, still...u got those few that you want to pull your hair out over.

    Anyway...give a big hi to Bushido for me :DD
  • drjiggle
    drjiggle Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Hi,
    My faction overall has a low turn over rate. And usually gets along smashingly. But lately they are bickering like crazy and all about ONE DAMN TOPIC!! Being ignored or not getting their question/BH/Squad answered. I have been wracking my brain for an answer to this issue in our guild because until the last 3 weeks it's never been a problem. But we have 180 active members (and then banks and a few alts) and squad chat FLIES By. We are all in the same channel in vent and usually this is fine too but even there people are not getting answered from time to time. Every member is important to me so I am hoping from suggestions here. Thanks, stazb:thanksb:surrender

    I'm not a faction leader, but I'm an officer in a faction similar to yours, and we have the same problem from time to time.

    One thing I always try to remind people is that if you want people to help you, you need to help them. I'm usually one of the first people to speak up when someone asks for help with a boss, HH run, etc., and what do you know, when I ask for help, I get it and quickly. 9 times out of 10, the guy who's complaining about never getting help is the same one who "mysteriously" goes AFK as soon as someone asks for assistance. Is it any wonder he gets the same response?

    Similarly, if you ask often enough, you're just annoying people. Ask once if anyone is available. If they aren't, wait a while and try again later. If someone asks 20 times in 5 minutes about help with his BH, I'll ignore him just on general principle. If he's that annoying when I'm not in his squad, why would I want to be in a squad with him?

    I agree that kicking people is a last resort and is extreme, but at the same time, don't be upset if you lose a few people to this issue. The ones who leave aren't the people you wanted to keep anyway. Think of it as a personality test or an IQ test. If they fail the test due to impatience, you're better off without them.

    Your faction doesn't need to be for everyone. In fact, it shouldn't be. What are things everyone likes -- water? bread? Do you want your faction to be water? I'd rather be a fine wine or perhaps a gourmet coffee. If people leave because it's not the right place for them, that just leaves more room for the good ones.
  • Marsthefox - Archosaur
    Marsthefox - Archosaur Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    hi am a leader of a guild (only 6 in all) and no one ever cays i need BH or what ever how do i do it? wall no one has ban on for 3 days.... any one wont to join my guild?. but if all they do is cry i need BH or some thing like that you can kick them out

    mars the fox
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited May 2010
    Pretty sure this counts as a necro.
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