Do any other Venos w/herc have same prob?

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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    As an archer/wizard Ive realised that there isnt that big of a difference between a golem and a herc compared to the difference between an actual barbarian and a hercules. Ive stolen aggro easily from both pets but rarely from an actual tiger form barb.
    Venos should just shut up, stop arguing and accept the fact that their hercules will never tank as well as a barbarian b:victory
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If I am in a squad and they ask me to tank, I let them know right off that if they steal agro from my Herc, it isn't easy for me to get it back so they need to be careful and watch their damage output. I'll call off my hercs damage to them ( My herc is doing 1200hp damage every 0.8 seconds etc.) so they will be able to estimate how much or little damage they need to do.

    If we have a tank class such as a Barb or BM that would prefer to still let me tank, I ask them to keep their eyes out for wandering mobs, and to watch agro gain from the boss for other players. If my herc looses agro onto say the cleric or archer or wizard or psychic for some reason, the barb or blade master can pull it off them quickly, then go easy on their damage while my Herc regains it. Cleric heals them, keeps them alive till my herc has the agro again, and squad is safe.

    You just have to let people know what to expect and look for and try to explain to them what NOT to do (sparking unless your damage is low is just asking to pull agro from the herc).

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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Have reflect always on the herc?That's some extra dmg/hate there.
    But as Saitada said things can happen and someone can do some nasty crit and steal agrro.Well once I happen to be in a similar situation with a herc.I'd normally tank it myself but we didn't had a cleric so veno was doing the tanking(yeah weird run)so wizard steal agrro and i flesh ream the boss when i see him start running.Problem was i had bramble too(I'm a bramble addict and I was doing the mobs)so with wizard and genie heals i was standing there for like 5 mins until eventually the herc took agrro back(well actually my bramble ended like after 3 mins but still he needed to punch a bit).Was a good lessons to learn about hercs in that day,and this is for all those fail barbs that cry about venos stealing their job,they will never even come close to replace a barb but unless you want wizards to punch the boss call 555-BARB to tank bosses.
  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Have reflect always on the herc?

    Yeah I always have Reflect up on my herc but even then sometimes people can steal agro.

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  • ShiroD - Sanctuary
    ShiroD - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Damewort - Sanctuary wrote: »
    *stands in front of cleric while attacking boss*uses ST at 10-50mp* twirls around and falls down*lays for a second or two*gets up and continues to DD as nothing happened* b:cute

    haha i do this myself in tt sometimes its fun xD
  • ShiroD - Sanctuary
    ShiroD - Sanctuary Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    As an archer/wizard Ive realised that there isnt that big of a difference between a golem and a herc compared to the difference between an actual barbarian and a hercules. Ive stolen aggro easily from both pets but rarely from an actual tiger form barb.
    Venos should just shut up, stop arguing and accept the fact that their hercules will never tank as well as a barbarian b:victory


    always the over confident archers i have the most trouble with ^^b:chuckle
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    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited January 2010
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  • Lyritha - Heavens Tear
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear Posts: 447 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    of course people steal from a herc... hell I make a better tank than my herc see? :

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  • RainbowVidel - Sanctuary
    RainbowVidel - Sanctuary Posts: 1,316 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ShiroD - Sanctuary wrote: »
    the barb wanted me to tank cause he didnt want to tick his charm

    (stopped reading at that point)

    I would have told him "Why bother having a charm on if you don't want to use it?". But anyway, I'm a herc veno and never had this happen to me before. And no, I won't act as the tank unless I have to (no others available to tank, that is).
  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    As an archer, I always control my damage if any one less than an equal or higher level barb tanking else I always end up stealing aggro.

    That being said, it shouldnt matter who tanks as long as the goal is achieved. If a veno (i could care less if they have a herc or not) offers to tank it for me, then hey who am i to refuse as long as the job is done.

    I've had so many of my faction venos with/without hercs help me on bosses when a barb and/or cleric were unavailable. Heck my wife b:dirty is a veno without herc and even being 10 lvls lower, her magmite has done quite a bit for me against bosses I couldnt tank and barbs/clerics werent available.

    I respect any one who is going to tank and would modify my strategy accordingly. But if they get all cocky and superior, I guess a boot out of the party is what is needed.

    However if a barb is around I usually ask him to tank unless....i dont know....bad connection/fail barb/incompetant/etc. That way we get an additional DD to end the batter faster and people like me can actually afford to deal more damage quicker.
  • MagicVos - Heavens Tear
    MagicVos - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    nothing above a good barb that tank and a cleric that heals him
    nice a herc and its a good tank for sure, but it can't hold aggro well and i like more a barb that can and there are things a herc cant. like when a herc is gonna die it will die. I know a barb that can hold hisself alive very well even without cleric. when there is something wrong he won't die that easy. he use everything to hold hisself alive and the other people too.
  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    of course people steal from a herc... hell I make a better tank than my herc see? :

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    Shush you. b:laughb:laugh we wont mention nothing about stealing aggro in the faction.

    If someone steals aggro off the venos herc, the veno needs to step up and rip it back by learning to hit hard and fast. When I lose aggro it doesnt stay lost for long. Yes thats against archers and wizzys. Best way is not to get over anxious on the DDing, relax have fun and pace urself when hercs are tanking.
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  • SashaGray - Heavens Tear
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,765 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If someone steals aggro off the venos herc, the veno needs to step up and rip it back by learning to hit hard and fast. When I lose aggro it doesnt stay lost for long.

    assuming you don't have some super secret trick for making your herc hit faster/harder than it normally does with bash engaged, i can only assume you mean having the veno grab aggro to him/herself away from the DD. Most venos will never attempt to do this (i'm not most, and have no problem alpha-ing when a suicidal archer puts the cleric in jeopardy.) generally the venos gear will be equal to or worse than the archer/wiz who pulls aggro, and will run for safety when the tank loses aggro and agro is bouncing around the DDs and the cleric. a good DD will stop attacking as soon as they pull aggro, but the vast majority wont and will keep attacking to beat their own crit-damage record, then blame the cleric when they cause a party wipe.

    of course, if there is no cleric then you just wait for the leeroy dds to kill themselves and go back to tanking b:laugh
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  • Miatemaro - Heavens Tear
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear Posts: 700 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    assuming you don't have some super secret trick for making your herc hit faster/harder than it normally does with bash engaged, i can only assume you mean having the veno grab aggro to him/herself away from the DD. Most venos will never attempt to do this (i'm not most, and have no problem alpha-ing when a suicidal archer puts the cleric in jeopardy.) generally the venos gear will be equal to or worse than the archer/wiz who pulls aggro, and will run for safety when the tank loses aggro and agro is bouncing around the DDs and the cleric. a good DD will stop attacking as soon as they pull aggro, but the vast majority wont and will keep attacking to beat their own crit-damage record, then blame the cleric when they cause a party wipe.

    of course, if there is no cleric then you just wait for the leeroy dds to kill themselves and go back to tanking b:laugh

    Nothing suicidal about it, 9 outa 10 times the aggro geos back to herc from the veno attacking. Bash on a herc is for those that cant use pounce correctly. b:laughb:laugh

    Yeap thats the whole aggro control problem like the picture I posted my last post.
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  • MystiMonk - Sanctuary
    MystiMonk - Sanctuary Posts: 4,286 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    PandaTheWise - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That veno was probably just jealous. :)

    Hit the nail on the head.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Miatemaro - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Nothing suicidal about it, 9 outa 10 times the aggro goes back to herc from the veno attacking. Bash on a herc is for those that cant use pounce correctly.

    Oh nice! Glad I'm not the only one who does that.

    Still can't help if they don't take the warning to slow down and steal a second time, though.

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