Remove the CashShop and use Donation System?

im sure pwi can survive with fashion, guardian charm and doll alone (if they remove that crappy safety lock)

Mochii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm just talking in general. I play in PVE, so yes I don't experience the frustration you do. I can emphasize with the huge gap in advantage if it's near impossible to play. PW would not want that. They have their incentives too.

There are different ways to go about getting things. It doesn't always have to be about money.

When everyone gets the same thing, there is no reason to work towards something better, because there isn't any. Maybe different strategical tactics here and there. Then what? Are you going to fight over possible lag times and disadvantages and condemn those who pay more for internet speed?

Maybe the game you should go for is this:

Maybe you can stop being an arrogant beesh?

mochii is probably the only one with common sense here. listen to her, she sounds like she's enlightened by buddha!

SupaRoyalty - Lost City wrote: »

How would that kill motivation? Dieing from super cash shoppers is what you call fun? Fun for me would be pvp tournaments where everyone is given the same gear or events everyone can participate in. Plus... If they're making hordes of money off the cash shop.. that wouldn't make them work HARDER.. it'd just make them more lazy. Maybe that's why barely any bugs have been fixed?

Running 6 servers 24/7 with salary and payroll, utilities, legal fees and other miscellaneous expenses, I'm sure the monthly bill is quite expensive. Donation system's won't get very far, and certainly won't be able to support the hefty bill. Do you know why?

Because this game is a public good. Meaning, you can't exclude people from playing it. So if I donate to keep the game running, it keeps it running for everyone, even the people who don't donate. What you get is the "free-rider effect". People end up not paying because they always believe someone else will pay.

Another thing is a lack of motivation to donate. I mean who here would really just send money to PWI for free? Without any in-game benefit/reward? I'm sure there's a few generous souls, but the majority of us won't, me included.

That's why you need a cash shop. It gives people a shortcut option and it pays for all of us to keep playing this for free.

Granted some of the cash shop items could be revised probably, but saying that it should be totally removed and everyone should be subjected to the same gear is a little farfetched.

What you're suggesting is that once people step out of safezone, they are given standardized gear? This doesn't work. Why? People lack motivation to play.

People play to become better. People work to become better. If I spend 30 hours a week farming TT for my gears, why shouldn't I be able to wtfpwn you? If I decide to spend $200 on my stuff, why shouldn't I be able to own the crud out of you? This isn't a wonderland where everybody wins. There's a winner and there's a loser. Just because they cash shop does not necessarily mean they are a winner. You just have to work harder to compete.

Your system eliminates the desire to actually play the game, because people innately know that they get free gears anyway. They don't need to work because someone will hand it to them. That's the ultimate flaw in a communist system. You give people equal rewards regardless of the amount of effort they put in, and they eventually lack motivation to further themselves and in the end, work at all. If a neurosurgeon makes the same amount of money as a paper boy, do you really think people would undergo the strenuous and time consuming education and apprenticeship to become a neurosurgeon?

While I think the cash shop is necessary, a lot of the items available are debatable. As of late, the game seems to be too easy.

Ilwyn_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Why is it that every time someone so much as brings up the subject of the game costing too much, or a different way other than the cash shop they get flamed beyond recognition? [removed] is free too, and they've just implemented their own MMO. (Yes, I occasionally play [removed]. Don't start whining.)

Having a donation system wouldn't be so bad at all. These items should NOT be five, ten, and twenty dollars apeice. [removed]is doing just fine by only charging $2.50 for all of its collectibles and pay-with-real-cash stuff, and on top of that an online store with some pretty good stuff. Besides, I've always stood by the idea that if it costs less, people will buy more of it. Right now it's easy to spend 70 bucks on just a few fashion items. I don't see how the game is too easy if most of us still have to work for our gold.

[removed]s collectibles system is a cash shop.

But remember, [removed] server and system are much easier to run than PWI's. [removed] is all 2-D avatar/world that doesn't require a whole lot of power to run compared to PWI's large 3-D world full of detailed 3-D avatars.

And remember this, most of all.

Why is fashion/mounts/every other cash shop item cost that much?



Because people are still buying it!

P.S. ~ BTW, i played their MMO, not all that awesome.

Because these game made by company to make money not looking for donation.
Well that how it happen on most F2P, people has a choice to boost their character with cash shop or item mall.
Of course it use real money to quickly has better gear or other things than free player.

Most game where i find it equal was P2P one. (want to give a example but we not allowed right)
But i found PW has some real good feature like player can buy or sell gold, which give free player chance to use cash shop.
I know i can't compete with cash shop user without patience and friends to help, hey but that mean we still have a chance to a equal game.
And when i play new F2P game and found cash shop, i know free player must work more to compete.
For someone who not use cash shop much, i need to work more.
(And i think it must be a pain in pvp server ? T_T Where you need up to date gear asap.)

One thing the OP I think is having a issue with is not being one of the best PvPers.

I try to get into PvP fights all the time with whoever is currently on our guilds KOS list.

I am far from being the best or even being high level to most of them. But I can garantee you that I am having a great time fighting. And I am very effective during fights if you know your strengths and weaknesses of who you are up against.

1vs1 I am toast but during mini-wars I do well enough to have fun. I also try to make jokes with the opposition to make the battle more fun and light-hearted.

Purge > IronWood > Fleshream ----> All the while your BM is stunning and then goes DD crazy.