Viability of Blades in PvP
goddslayer
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Ok, I'm a noob, let's get that out of the way. I only just started playing the game.
I've been reading and reading and reading, and it seems like Axe is basically the top choice for PvP weaponry, at least until later when people seem to switch back and forth mid combat. I expect that it will take me forever to get to that point, so I'm not really worried about it right now.
I'm interested in going with swords or blades, mainly because I prefer them stylistically, but also because I usually like to try things that aren't overused. Assuming I go exclusively sword or blade on the PvP server, what types of things can I expect (i.e. am I essentially going to be a punching bag), and what should I be focusing my points in? Right now I've been putting points into STR to keep up with requirements, and have a bunch of points left over because I'm not really sure what the optimum use of them is. Do sword BM's use magic? Or should I be dumping it into dex?
Appreciate any assistance in advance.
I've been reading and reading and reading, and it seems like Axe is basically the top choice for PvP weaponry, at least until later when people seem to switch back and forth mid combat. I expect that it will take me forever to get to that point, so I'm not really worried about it right now.
I'm interested in going with swords or blades, mainly because I prefer them stylistically, but also because I usually like to try things that aren't overused. Assuming I go exclusively sword or blade on the PvP server, what types of things can I expect (i.e. am I essentially going to be a punching bag), and what should I be focusing my points in? Right now I've been putting points into STR to keep up with requirements, and have a bunch of points left over because I'm not really sure what the optimum use of them is. Do sword BM's use magic? Or should I be dumping it into dex?
Appreciate any assistance in advance.
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Read these 2:
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=534672
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=143481[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Sword BM skill per lvl is 3:1:1
Which means 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit. Sword BM's are usually the tanker style BM's, who can also deal the highest DD. Which is really favored in higher lvl Dungoungs.
And YES! Axe's are freakin abused to no extent. Heck even the lvl 5 and 20 Supply Stashes give you freakin hammers!!0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sword BM's are usually the tanker style BM's, who can also deal the highest DD. Which is really favored in higher lvl Dungoungs.
This is a lie. Axe BMs are a better suited for the tanking role. They generally have more hp. Axe BMs are also preferred in higher level dungoungs because of their massive AOE abilities. Im thinking of Frost runs here, as well as rebirth.I was early taught to work as well as play,
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Axe bms only have more hp if you go vit build, dex build offers pretty much the same hp as any other bm.
As for tanking;
multiple mobs: axes are much better due to aoes
single mobs/bosses: swords and fists have better aggro holding, and when it come's to tanking hp is only important if you can hold aggro.
As for attributes, need 3 dex every 2 levels, I believe, to use most current sword, 5 str every lvl to use best armor, 2 points left for w/e.0 -
In higher lvl Dungeons, you need to be able to hold aggro on multiple mobs at once. Swords can't do that.LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sword BM's are usually the tanker style BM's, who can also deal the highest DD. Which is really favored in higher lvl Dungoungs.
I won't even say anything about swords being the highest DD.
To the OP: Never EVER put points in magic. Leave it at 5, or use a reset note and take out 2 and spend it elsewhere when you get the chance.0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sword BM skill per lvl is 3:1:1
Which means 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit. Sword BM's are usually the tanker style BM's, who can also deal the highest DD. Which is really favored in higher lvl Dungoungs.
And YES! Axe's are freakin abused to no extent. Heck even the lvl 5 and 20 Supply Stashes give you freakin hammers!!
mm highest dd? no. If you're tanking 1 mob go fist, multiple go axe0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »Sword BM skill per lvl is 3:1:1
Which means 3 str, 1 dex, 1 vit. Sword BM's are usually the tanker style BM's, who can also deal the highest DD. Which is really favored in higher lvl Dungoungs.
And YES! Axe's are freakin abused to no extent. Heck even the lvl 5 and 20 Supply Stashes give you freakin hammers!!
Lies about the 3:1:1 thats spear. I'm 3:1:1 lvl 94 and only just able to use tt70.0 -
Single blade in pvp is pretty good because of the attack speed. If you don't spam skills and stun lock them in place with aoe roar and occult ice its pretty deadly.
With effects like quicken and demon spark you can take down same lvl heavy armor opponents in seconds.0 -
Moog - Lost City wrote: »Single blade in pvp is pretty good because of the attack speed. If you don't spam skills and stun lock them in place with aoe roar and occult ice its pretty deadly.
With effects like quicken and demon spark you can take down same lvl heavy armor opponents in seconds.
Fist does the same thing but better, the only good thing about sword is the ultimate.
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Fist does the same thing but better, the only good thing about sword is the ultimate.
To be fair, Atmos strke is one of the hardest hitting skills that doesn't use chi, and at level 100 flash is considered the strongest skill. Swords are good for nuking, but not much else. They have a ranged attack, but its not as good as farstrike, single swords have good dps, but not as good as fists. And they have no weapon AoE's, so they find it hard to grind too.Infliction - Raging Tide: 99% of bm's go fist/axe end game and they will side with it because thats what they do. I am a pure axe bm and I have as much DPS as a bm with 3.33 APS and +6 Decides.
Kupuntu - Sanctuary: *waits for a response from someone who has done the math*
Okeano - Harshlands: Or we can just kick him in the nuts0 -
I use swords and i can hold arggo on a total of 15 mobs at once thanks to Drake Sweep and Fan of Flames, then combined with Myriad Sword Stance.In higher lvl Dungeons, you need to be able to hold aggro on multiple mobs at once. Swords can't do that.
I won't even say anything about swords being the highest DD.
To the OP: Never EVER put points in magic. Leave it at 5, or use a reset note and take out 2 and spend it elsewhere when you get the chance.
*sighs* You guys don't seem to realize Myriad Sword Stance=Highest BM DD Skill in the game (next to flash).Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »mm highest dd? no. If you're tanking 1 mob go fist, multiple go axeLies about the 3:1:1 thats spear. I'm 3:1:1 lvl 94 and only just able to use tt70.
I used 3:1:1 until i messed up and started having to use a custom build. (That was my own stupidity on it <.<) But 3:1:1 is the correct build for sword.0 -
LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »This is a lie. Axe BMs are a better suited for the tanking role. They generally have more hp. Axe BMs are also preferred in higher level dungoungs because of their massive AOE abilities. Im thinking of Frost runs here, as well as rebirth.
Well pardon me, at my level i'm not able to do Frost or Rebirth because of the high lvl requirement people have for their squads.
But i do know for a fact, since i do this MYSELF, that Sword BM's can do more dmg then a Axe/Pole/Fist BM of the same level with a single move. Also i have more HP then any Axe BM my lvl, and an Axe's AoE, sure it may be a "Ok" size, but sword BM's are the guys who have the "Massive AoE" abilities.0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »
*sighs* You guys don't seem to realize Myriad Sword Stance=Highest BM DD Skill in the game (next to flash).
DD, as in DPS? Demon spark'd fist BM would be way better. Not to mention HF is better in terms of DD in a squad.I was early taught to work as well as play,
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LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »Well pardon me, at my level i'm not able to do Frost or Rebirth because of the high lvl requirement people have for their squads.
But i do know for a fact, since i do this MYSELF, that Sword BM's can do more dmg then a Axe/Pole/Fist BM of the same level with a single move. Also i have more HP then any Axe BM my lvl, and an Axe's AoE, sure it may be a "Ok" size, but sword BM's are the guys who have the "Massive AoE" abilities.
Im srry but You sir are total noob and idiot.
A. Swords REQUIRE 3 dex every 2 lvs. >___>
B. Axes are the best aoe weapon HANDS DOWN.
C. YOU dont have more Hp than any AXE bm that is a Vit build (unless u cash shop ur **** off . PERIOD
You should just reroll a diferent class because you CLEARLY know nothing about the BM class. Now pls leave the Bm forums. Never b4 have i heard such garbage. good day0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »I use swords and i can hold arggo on a total of 15 mobs at once thanks to Drake Sweep and Fan of Flames, then combined with Myriad Sword Stance.
*sighs* You guys don't seem to realize Myriad Sword Stance=Highest BM DD Skill in the game (next to flash).
I used 3:1:1 until i messed up and started having to use a custom build. (That was my own stupidity on it <.<) But 3:1:1 is the correct build for sword.
Oh you're right, I forgot that sword bms spam Myriad Sword Stance continuously to hold aggro. Oh wait it has a 30 second cooldown? oh. There's no contest that fist bms will do the highest dps and hold aggro the best on mobs. Also Axe bm still wins with aoes, Heaven's Flame+Highland Cleave+whatever is far more damage than Myriad Sword Stance+ Drake sweep + Fan of flames. Also there's no correct build...0 -
*sighs* There is no point in me even argueing here since you people all have different view on swords. Most of which you are considering swords inferior to all other BM skills. When if you look at the skills, sword's will kill all others.
But as i said i'm through argueing with idiotic BM's who abuse Axe's like everyone else. At least i know i'm original in using swords, and not following the means of anyone.
Oh, and to any barb who posts here that doesn't have a BM you have no reason to post here.0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »*sighs* There is no point in me even argueing here since you people all have different view on swords. Most of which you are considering swords inferior to all other BM skills. When if you look at the skills, sword's will kill all others.
But as i said i'm through argueing with idiotic BM's who abuse Axe's like everyone else. At least i know i'm original in using swords, and not following the means of anyone.
Oh, and to any barb who posts here that doesn't have a BM you have no reason to post here.
First of all you're not original, there are plenty of sword bms, just that some of them actually know what they're talking about like kniraven. Sword does have the hardest hitting skill yes, but in terms of aoe damage axe wins, and in terms of pure dps fist wins. Why do you think people ask for Axe bms in rebirth0 -
LifeHunting - Heavens Tear wrote: »*sighs* There is no point in me even argueing here since you people all have different view on swords. Most of which you are considering swords inferior to all other BM skills. When if you look at the skills, sword's will kill all others.
But as i said i'm through argueing with idiotic BM's who abuse Axe's like everyone else. At least i know i'm original in using swords, and not following the means of anyone
Oh, and to any barb who posts here that doesn't have a BM you have no reason to post here.
Oh im srry is this better?
You're still a stubborn dumbass either way
I never said swords are inferior. Most endgame Bms MULTIPATH. Going pure sword at endgame gimps you alot. What makes a good BM is using EACH weapon in the proper situation. You using swords to fight multi mobs shows that you need to learn to play your class (the sword path is the only path without a lv 49 aoe ).
Btw stop thinking your some rare type of Bm cus you aren't. I have seen plenty of sword bms (Im a sword/Axe bm atm). You like a child that doesn't wanna listen to more experienced ppl, or admit when your are wrong.
@OP I apologize for hi-jacking your thread but please dont listen to that noob >_____<0 -
The way i see swords is, that it gives a BM more HP to tank (that is, if you put the spare point every 2 levels into vit), but at the cost of less DPS.... which is why i never liked swords.... later on the difference of DPS from fists vs "extra" HP that swords get becomes a significant disadvantage to the sword as fists gain HP much more easier than swords gain DPS...
Axe/fist
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Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »
Thank you, for Kniraven's guide in particular. I had already read Lyndura's.
Also, I'm not sure how this thread turned into a tanking/PvE argument, I was asking about PvP. Thanks for those links though, appreciate the help.0 -
DPS: Fists>Single Sword>Pole>Dual Sword>Axe
Spike Damage: Axe>Dual Sword>Pole>Single Sword>Fists
Skill Damage: Sword>Axe/Pole>Fist
Swords are amazing for tanking, especially paired with fists. They have second best dps of the weapons for holding aggro and Myriad Sword Stance cuts the mob/boss's atk in half. This debuff lasts longer than Heavens Flame as well.
Axes are the worst for tanking. They have terrible DPS and can't hold aggro on a boss. They can hold aggro better on groups of mobs all at once because of extra AoE, however on an individual mob swords will easily out shine them. If your squad is using assist attack, then holding aggro on a group of mobs is easy with swords, you just establish aggro with your AoE's and make sure your suad uses assist attack.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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