how to over come assissn disadvantages?

sins weak? b:shocked
you are joking right? b:laugh

From my experience sins level slower than mag characters, but probably faster than BM's and barbs. No real way around it unless you use oracles.

usefull solid info not general ideas

ok get a geni with a ton of heals and debuffs for pve

second wind, tangling mire, ToP, extreme poison

or a dex geni for pvp with T storm exe poison and a few nice stuffs

at lower levels use life powder at higher ones blood pain has you covered

Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »

Leveling on a sin is VERY easy, I can grind for half an hour and only use 10 of each HP and MP pots. Double Spark + Bloodpaint + Focused Mind + Any of the HP draining effects, I'm currently using the 74 ones = you hardly need anything else. I have second wind but I only really use it for when I get ganked or something. Natural evasion also helps, and double sparking can be done often, which also helps with killing faster + bloodsucking the same HP in a lower amount of time.

your 59+ he/she is probobly not even 2x yet please help em get started up rather than saying what you CAN do at 59+

If you are new to the game don't roll assassin as you may become overwhelmed by the cost/time/game-mechanics.

If i were you i'd roll a class that can just face roll PvE to at least ~50-60.
By this, i meant either Veno or Psychic.

If you do go Psychic, there wouldn't be need for a reroll after you see things for yourself. That class is one of the best classes if you enjoy ranged/magic game-style.

Same could be said for Veno but you'd need a lot of money or farming to get pets, which may not be what you have in mind if this is your fisrt time playing a game.

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

it be frigging easy to level from 1-40 for all classes (Except full robes on those ranged archer mobs)
loooooool~~~~~
b:surrender

ugh i know! my wiz ended up kiting all the way with gush because ranged mobs hurt so much x.x

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

ugh i know! my wiz ended up kiting all the way with gush because ranged mobs hurt so much x.x

Don't mob archers also get damage cut in half up close? If anything you should be chasing them.

I always beg for buffs on my Sin before I go quest on mobs. Makes it a lot easier with Cleric and BM buffs on.

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Don't mob archers also get damage cut in half up close? If anything you should be chasing them.

I always beg for buffs on my Sin before I go quest on mobs. Makes it a lot easier with Cleric and BM buffs on.

ugh not with a robe lol...they start kiting back then shoot at you.

Super_Trout - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The 4dex 1str build is usually the most widely accepted build on the sin forums.

You need 3 dex/level to use your current level daggers
And 1 str/level to use your current level Light Armor

Therefore, you only have 1 extra stat point each level. You have 4 options to put that stat point on.

1. Mag - Only useful for faster MP recovery and a bigger MP pool, useless imo
2. Str - Gives (very) slightly more physical defense and makes you hit harder with all melee weapons EXCEPT daggers, perhaps even more useless than mag
3. Vit - You gain 13hp for each point you put in here along with (again, VERY) little physical and magic defense
4. Dex - Adds more damage for your daggers, higher evasion, accuracy, and every 20 points=an extra critical hit percentage

Honestly, if you're going to put that extra point into anything but dex, it's going to be VIT, but that will bite you in the butt in the end, as the HP/VIT it gives is not amazing, and in the end, because of Bloodpaint, higher damage=better survivability.

There is another way of approaching this, which, I think I may myself one day adopt. The answer is, of course, 3 dext 2 strength. How does this work?

In essence, you are sacrificing a bit of dmg to round out your character a bit. With the 3/2 split, you can adopt heavy armor vs. melee characters, and light armor vs. other light armored/arcane. I have spoken with Ri$en; if you are on a pker on Dreamweaver, by know you must have heard about this 96+ (98?) sin. If you have coin to spare, charmed heavy armor opponents are no longer impossible to kill. Slap on highly refined & sharded gear (preferably -interval) combine with clever switching between daggers & claws for a sure win. You probably haven't seen this particular technique before, so unless you see Ri$en take on a barb, you'll just have to take my word for it: it works.

Of course, the small downside comes against arcane users, where you gain no advantage from the extra str points, since you are equipping light armor anyways, and magic resist is most important. To this, I must point out that, arcane users don't exactly... well, stand a chance isn't quite right. I have met some very good pkers out there. But it is certainly correct to say, that we have quite a few things going for us when we want to take on an arcane character. Stuns/sleeps/long immobilizers/teleports/stealths/etc etc. So if you have a very highly refined weapon, you can make up for the loss in crit rate and wep dmg for daggers. Furthermore, I'm sure all 'sins who are *up there* in level will agree with me, we need more ways to fight vs. heavy armor. This, I think, could be an effective way.

Cheers,

Azzazin

Ri$en occasionally wins against Barbs not because he's equipping heavy armor, but because of 2 reasons:

A) He uses Wood damage Apo coupled with fast attack speeds.
He's heavily cash shopped, already having rank 8 gear lined up for when he hits the appropriate level (he was 97 last I checked, may be 98 now); he's also borrowed some gear from his main, swordman.

He's gone 2 STR/3 DEX so he can equip his +10 (or is it +12, I didn't check) Deicide claws. As soon as he gets the Nirvana dagger with -0.1 interval and they release Demon sparks for Tideborn, he won't need the extra -0.1 interval from the claws to reach 5 attacks per second, and he's going back to an almost pure build (I'm sure he'll keep enough STR to equip the Forest's Wisdom helm, though). Even still, his survivability against dedicated PKers is nothing to write home about, considering one of the Barbs he dropped also killed him with Armageddon (to drop Deaden Nerves) + Bramble, and a couple of Equinox's BMs have one-shot him after they dropped his Deaden Nerves. Swordman/Ri$en is also pretty good about force stealthing until Deaden Nerves is up again.

2 STR/3 DEX is not a build anyone can make work unless they can heavily cash shop and refine claws to +10 (because you'll still be weaker than a Fist BM with this build, and also be equipping lower level armor), and even then a heavy CSer would be better off playing to their class's strengths; take a look a DrAgOOnZ next time you get a chance, he's got LA and over 12k HP unbuffed, which is more than most any BM at that level. Losing out on 100 DEX when you're Ri$en/Swordman's level is a massive cut in damage and crit rate, and the benefit you gain from being able to equip lower level armor doesn't outweigh the additional time it takes to kill physical damage using opponents.

Then there's also the problem of HA's inherent weakness; BMs can work around having **** magic defense with their Alter Marrow Magical, and Balance/True Emptiness on their genies. The only damage reducing buff Sin gets works just as well with Light Armor.

I like swordman, he's on my f-list on my BM, Phoenix, but 99% of Sins aren't going to have the cash to make a HA build work.