Foxform Fist Veno?
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver
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Ok so I've discovered a cool trick. If you get a weapon to 0 durability, you can transform into fox, and then repair the weapon and USE IT in foxform, and the 150% (200% if sage) melee mastery STILL APPLIES!!! b:shocked
What if you got a 3 str 2 dex per level fist veno with all -interval equipment... you would have 3.33 attacks per second and have 200% melee mastery, as opposed to a sage BMs 90%.... That would be EPIC DPS b:dirty
Oh and question to GMs, is this legal or is that a bannable exploit lol
What if you got a 3 str 2 dex per level fist veno with all -interval equipment... you would have 3.33 attacks per second and have 200% melee mastery, as opposed to a sage BMs 90%.... That would be EPIC DPS b:dirty
Oh and question to GMs, is this legal or is that a bannable exploit lol
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:O how much does it make u hit!? and what lvl is your veno O.O just wondering :O
since that would be epicb:dirty
oh and.. eemh.. can u still change back into caster? ^^' since you're wearing a non-magical weapon then..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Characters:
waterfal - lvl 90 demon ferrari veno
Hazumi_chan - lvl 9x sage seeker0 -
Yeah, you're gonna be stuck in foxform, and unable to use most of your skills, until the weapon wears out again.
Still... sounda like an amusing alt to try.0 -
was thinking on testing Fists/Claws in Foxform .. but
1 = you dont have enough STr/ Dex to equip an armement your level
2 = if you up your Str/ Dex, you gimp yourself in the Mag capacity ( spells, debuffs, heals for the pet.. )
But, it s something i aim to try sometime, sonnr, than later
I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.
Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.0 -
Well here's the thing, when doing this you can't use ANY skills. But isn't 200% melee damage with normal attacks and of course 150% more phys defense worth no skills? ALSO, you aren't stuck, as soon as you relog you end up right back in human form, but then u have to wear it down to 0 to get back into foxform, which sux.0
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if it aint bannable, than we got ourselfs a new DDclass,... ;-)
uber defenses and bloody high damage,... forget the castingstuff, we r the new fisties,... ;-)
fistbuild,....
oh **** we dont get 25% attack speed increase from demonspark
oh well it was worth spending 30 seconds thinking about it and typing here0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well here's the thing, when doing this you can't use ANY skills. But isn't 200% melee damage with normal attacks and of course 150% more phys defense worth no skills? ALSO, you aren't stuck, as soon as you relog you end up right back in human form, but then u have to wear it down to 0 to get back into foxform, which sux.
hehe,... so each relog costs a bloody load of repaircosts,... b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked0 -
It has to be asked, why not be a blademaster? Foxform increase is nice, but not THAT nice.
Still, you've inspired me to make this now. I'm gonna run round the newbie areas pretending to be a miniature tiger
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Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »It has to be asked, why not be a blademaster? Foxform increase is nice, but not THAT nice.
Still, you've inspired me to make this now. I'm gonna run round the newbie areas pretending to be a miniature tiger
imagine having to fully repair a deicide each time you login,... b:shockedb:shockedb:shockedb:shocked
how pain in the **** are dcs now XD
and if u need a bramble, u gotta ask an other veno XD
and no petheals,... so i guess that kinda sucks too,... if pet steals agro its dead,... so u gotta have like ten pets of the same type than,... ;-) in case one steals agro,... coz with a fist u cant rez it XD0 -
Well, if you can't outdamage your pet then the build kinda fails even MORE horribly that we're imagining
Still, yeah, you're going to need a debuff pet instead of a normal tank or DD pet.
... I just realised. We can extend this... to a BOW! Harmless little foxies shooting arrows from the paw... but even worse...
It's the return of the mighty, feared, tiger form - BOWBARIAN!0 -
Yay GX Foxes?0
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Actually I'm one step ahead of you, I've already thought of doing this with a bow. But its MELEE mastery, so I'm 90% sure that it wouldn't work. Although shooting arrows in foxform would be HILARIOUS.
As for why not be a BM? Because sage fist mastery is 90% All fisters go demon anyway so that's 75%. Sage foxform melee mastery is a jaw-dropping 200%
200% > 75%, so fist fox > fist BM.0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Actually I'm one step ahead of you, I've already thought of doing this with a bow. But its MELEE mastery, so I'm 90% sure that it wouldn't work. Although shooting arrows in foxform would be HILARIOUS.
Little foxy going pew pew pew from its paw
I'm doing this. Starting in half an hours time. It must be done. IT SHALL BE DONE.Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »As for why not be a BM? Because sage fist mastery is 90% All fisters go demon anyway so that's 75%. Sage foxform melee mastery is a jaw-dropping 200%
200% > 75%, so fist fox > fist BM.
...Taking this build all the way to demon?! Eeeep!
Although, if you left it logged in forever you'd only revert to human form every week or so, maybe.
Will the increased damage really out-do the skill output?0 -
Ok, an unanticipated problem:
Bows, even stupid pokey little level 3 bows, take FOREVER to wear out.
So that's an advantage to fists right there. I need to find one of those harmless invisible bosses and beat it up for a while. Nuking the newbie area in lost has left me with a bow that still works, dammit. I even ran out of arrows!
On the plus side.. have they upped the drop rate on grease?0 -
I'm pretty sure a decent BM build can hit 350 str with fist weapons equipped. If the veno went with the minimum 146 str to equip Decide, the 200 extra str would be the equivalent of 133% extra mastery. So both are in the same range in terms of raw damage.Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »As for why not be a BM? Because sage fist mastery is 90% All fisters go demon anyway so that's 75%. Sage foxform melee mastery is a jaw-dropping 200%
200% > 75%, so fist fox > fist BM.
BM demon spark also gives an attack interval reduction, which lets BMs hit 5 atk/sec with Decide and all that interval gear. At 5 atk/sec, you generate 3 sparks every 15 sec, which happens to be how long demon spark lasts. So the BM can stay permanently at 5 atk/sec.
A fox veno using a magic weapon can only hit 2 atk/sec with the same equipment. So the fist weapon (3.3 atk/sec) would let you do about 1.67x the DPS of a magic weapon (surprisingly, they have roughly the same phys atk).0 -
a 200% bonus to P.atk isnt very much. the jump from 60-> 90 for sages on other classes for masteries only translates to ~3% more amage compared to their demon mastery counter parts.Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well here's the thing, when doing this you can't use ANY skills. But isn't 200% melee damage with normal attacks and of course 150% more phys defense worth no skills? ALSO, you aren't stuck, as soon as you relog you end up right back in human form, but then u have to wear it down to 0 to get back into foxform, which sux.
i dont think venomancers were ever meant to melee.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Ok, an unanticipated problem:
Bows, even stupid pokey little level 3 bows, take FOREVER to wear out.
So that's an advantage to fists right there. I need to find one of those harmless invisible bosses and beat it up for a while. Nuking the newbie area in lost has left me with a bow that still works, dammit. I even ran out of arrows!
Buy a buttload of arrows and set up afk shooting at the River-cross Captain?AndyNagato - Lost City wrote: »i dont think venomancers were ever meant to melee.
Why is there melee mastery and other melee fox skills? Why is there even a fox form to begin with?0 -
Asenath_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Buy a buttload of arrows and set up afk shooting at the River-cross Captain?
Was one-shotting in the newbie are, but yes, I'm there now. STILL takes forever to wear out a bow.
Edit: Gah! I'm gonna run out of arrows again! I forgot I was relying on the arrow dropsAsenath_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Why is there melee mastery and other melee fox skills? Why is there even a fox form to begin with?
Well, you're turning off most of those skills in order to do this.
Still, gotta try
Edit:
And... yeah. I am now a skillless fox with a repaired bow... unable to attack.
You can't use bows when a fox, no matter what, it would seem.
*sigh*
Trying again with a fist, just in case this hasn't all been an astounding hoax
Edit2:
It's no hoax people. The build works. 200% accuracy, 1.43 attacks/second...
Hitting for 180 instead of 130. Because I've got, like, 3 levels of melee mastery and no strength or dex, and level 3 fists.
Viable build? I have no idea. But it's hilarious.
Not quite as hilarious as firing arrows woulda been, but hilarious.
I just hope they don't fix it 0 -
Huge thanks for the tip about river cross captain, I was losing durability by going pk and killing the swordman in FB lol.
Ok I just did the math, every 10% in a weapon mastery (melee mastery) equals out to a 2% gain in total damage. So sage fist fox would be doing 40% more physical damage, or 25% more damage than a demon fist bm. Thats still pretty beast but it turns out the ability to perma-spark on a fully geared demon fist bm still comes out to a greater dps than a fist fox. Also BMs have skills such as stuns, cyclone heel, will of bodhistiva, and farstrike to help them out, where a fist fox would only have a genie and apothecary on their side.
So this looks like a very fun and interesting build, but the time and money needed to put into it isn't worth it, so I don't think I'll be doing it.
Oh yeah I also considered a "GX" (TT90 gold axes for those who play PWI") veno, but a bm spamming skills would still probably have more spike damage than a veno doing regular attacks with 22-25% more damage.0 -
Venomancer Melee Mastery only applies to Fox Form but there's no way to switch to fox unless unarmed or holding a magic weapon. In other words, Melee Mastery doesn't work with fists.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Venomancer Melee Mastery only applies to Fox Form but there's no way to switch to fox unless unarmed or holding a magic weapon. In other words, Melee Mastery doesn't work with fists.
Hi! Welcome to the thread.
But maybe, just maybe, you should try reading the thread?
.. for those coming to the party late:
Step 1: Smack something until your weapon BREAKS. Zero durability.
This counts as being UNARMED.
Step 2: Hit foxform.
Yes, it works. Because the game reckons you are unarmed, and they bugfixed it a while back, to stop people with broken weapons being trapped as foxes forever.
Step 3: Go to a blacksmith and get your weapon repaired.
Yup, it works.
Step 4: You are now a fist wielding fox.
And yes, verified - melee mastery applies, damage IS increased.
You ARE stuck unable to use skills, and unable to turn back without either rebreaking the weapon or logging out.
(Can't even change out of fox - though you CAN spark, for what that's worth)
I just started a HA+fist+fox alt. b:pleased
And THANK YOU for finally explaining what the heck 'gx' means. Gah. Stupid malaysian players.
And yeah, I don't think it's better than being a BM. But it's sillier, which counts for a lot.
Edit: Does the 200% accuracy in fox count for anything?0 -
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Yes the 200% (250% if sage) accuracy accounts for a LOT lol. you need 2 dex per level for fists so if u get to level 100 have sage foxform and 2 mistys or 2 lunar rings, you end up with like 12k acc LOL.0
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Could a barb do this to?0
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yeah I bet barb could do this too, but why would you want to? Not only would you have no mastery, but true form cuts your damage even more. Not to mention you wouldn't be able to use ANY skills.
HOWEVER fist barb in regular form looks like a pretty fun and viable build, and you could swtich back and forth between axes and fists for skills.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Edit: Does the 200% accuracy in fox count for anything?
Yeah, focus on patk/ crit/ -interval equips rather than acc.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
It sounds like a funny thing, but remember: you have to break your weapon.
lvl 90 weaps have 240 durabillty. i tried it first with a lvl 1 fist with 32 durability and it takes around 20 minutes to break it.
20 mins * 8 (32*8 =256) =160 minnutes to break a weap every day of playing that are almost 3 h^^.
So its a nice idea, nothing more.....b:chuckle0 -
It sounds like a funny thing, but remember: you have to break your weapon.
lvl 90 weaps have 240 durabillty. i tried it first with a lvl 1 fist with 32 durability and it takes around 20 minutes to break it.
20 mins * 8 (32*8 =256) =160 minnutes to break a weap every day of playing that are almost 3 h^^.
So its a nice idea, nothing more.....b:chuckle
nah you don't have to do it everyday, as long as you don't log out you're fine. The only problem is maintenance and DCs lol. Also, you can attack river cross captain and go afk and sleep/go to school/go to work/watch a movie or w/e, its not a huge deal.0 -
Nightwhisper - Harshlands wrote: »Could a barb do this to?
Well, barbs can already uses decent weapons in tiger form.
If bows had worked for Veno's I'd be testing that right now, for the aforementioned hilarity. But they didn't, so I think I'm not going to bother.0 -
King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »Venomancer Melee Mastery only applies to Fox Form but there's no way to switch to fox unless unarmed or holding a magic weapon. In other words, Melee Mastery doesn't work with fists.
stop increasing your post counter and just read the post before yours...b:bye
i am curious will you be shooting arrows in foxform or will it be a bow range melee attack?i am waiting for you my little flagcarriers b:kiss0 -
Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »stop increasing your post counter and just read the post before yours...b:bye
i am curious will you be shooting arrows in foxform or will it be a bow range melee attack?
Sadly - it just doesn't work. You can't fire the bow at all. It was worth testing, but the test was a failure.0
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