Vit vs Def stones, and Survival Index

Hitokeri - Heavens Tear
Hitokeri - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
edited January 2010 in General Discussion
I took a screenshot using Eye of Observation of two sage barbs of similar level in tiger form without any buffs.

As you can see, one has 5k more, but 0 def. lvl. The other has 18 def. lvls. but less hp. I was quite surprised to see the one who has less hp actually has a higher survival index number.

So is the claim that barbs should have as much hp as possible not a valid one?

Anyone know any other barbs that have more than 20k hp in tiger form without buffs? Maybe post it here so we can see their survival index number.

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  • Belligero - Sanctuary
    Belligero - Sanctuary Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well, how reliable of an indication is this "Survival Index?"
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  • Badazmofo - Dreamweaver
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i think the one with the higher def lvl has more survival index cuz each def lvl is -1% dmg so the one with the higher def lvl is going to take less dmg. so even though it has lower hp it will beable to take more hits cuz its takeing 18% less dmg than the other barb
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  • pand0ra
    pand0ra Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    does p.def and m.def factor in the survival index?
  • Badazmofo - Dreamweaver
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    it should both do attribute to the characters survivability..... but i have a question about the survival index if i look at barb while playing as my archer and someone else lets say a wizzy is looking at the same barb does the survival index change based on what type of class is looking at which cuz that seems to make the most sence cuz each class survives diff when matched against others
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  • ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary
    ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    We'd be able to make a better comparison if the OP didn't filter out everything else.

    OP, please repost the pics with only the name's blanked out please. So we can see all the stats.
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  • Badazmofo - Dreamweaver
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary wrote: »
    We'd be able to make a better comparison if the OP didn't filter out everything else

    very true i would like to see the stats also i would also like to see one of the same barbs but with a screenshot from a diff class or lvl char
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  • Magiere - Dreamweaver
    Magiere - Dreamweaver Posts: 395 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Of course HP isnt the vital point for a highlvl barb.
    Just imagine a Barb having 30k HP, but 100 magicdef..he'd get owned by every mage class.
    Now imagine a Barb with 20k HP but 10k magicdef...see where I'm going?-->now guess which one has higher survival chance.

    Same can be adapted with Def stones which reduce both magical and physical damage taken.
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  • WShadow - Harshlands
    WShadow - Harshlands Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hitokeri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    As you can see, one has 5k more, but 0 def. lvl. The other has 18 def. lvls. but less hp.

    I am wonder if you took into acount that each 1vit point increase not only HP but mag and phy def too. So there sould not be diference only in HP and def lvl. But too in Phy and magic def. And dont tell me 180 vit points (becouse of 18def lvl) will not make diference in it.
  • Hitokeri - Heavens Tear
    Hitokeri - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The guy with the lower hp does have higher magic def.

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  • TheLastBarb - Raging Tide
    TheLastBarb - Raging Tide Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    from the looks of it, its a matter of preference...

    if u want more hp n could care less abt def, more hp > def
    n vice-a-versa

    at the end, that high hp makes up for the def he has lost
    and in the same way, tht high def makes up for the hp he has lost

    all in all,its all balanced out

    but if u don't wanna make ur charm tick a lot, u would prob go with more def cuz u get less hits lolz...n if u have less hp, then charm ticks less
    Well here I am.....Now who wants their face screwed up by my paw? b:laugh
  • WShadow - Harshlands
    WShadow - Harshlands Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hitokeri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The guy with the lower hp does have higher magic def.

    So they dont have some equip. And if they dont have EXACTLY same equip with ONLY diferent in STONES you CANT compare it.

    If they had same equip, guy with HIGHER HP (if useing stone which add +10 vit) should have HIGHER Mag and Phy def too. Becouse +1lvl def stones doenst change mag and phy def but +10 vit stones change it. As i said before.

    So on end, better HP and PHY and MAG resistance which give vit can in my opinion balance the damage reduction which give def lvl.
  • Vorawrcious - Harshlands
    Vorawrcious - Harshlands Posts: 53 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    To the majority higher hp equal better. I see other barbarians want to tank cause they have more HP. Of course i gladly let them tank if they want. But to me that nonsense just to factor in the HP. Talking only PvE circumstances i would disagree. In my opniion the only time higher HP is a big benifit is when you fighting groups of very stong tighly grouped ganging magical mobs solo. A few pots here and there can solve that. I have plenty of HP to do my quest and can easily do a BH51. Why I need more HP at the cost of less defense and less accuracy, or pay the high cost of max sharding gear with flawless HP.
  • Heartstone - Dreamweaver
    Heartstone - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    There is a delay with eye of observation. if neither of those havent relogged jsut before use, or been buffed withing last hour, then the buffs cans till show as adds to defences, att/def lvl, even tho the bonus effects have weared of. defence and atatck lvl show for me 10-15 mins from blessing after i leave fb's on the eye of observation stats.

    however are you trying to hide soemthign since we can't see the full screen, no black'ed out text.

    wanna see full screen at once for both.
    I'm sorry for misspelling / mistyping and grammar b:surrender

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  • WShadow - Harshlands
    WShadow - Harshlands Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TheLastBarb - Raging Tide wrote: »
    at the end, that high hp makes up for the def he has lost and in the same way, tht high def makes up for the hp he has lost
    Vorawrcious - Harshlands wrote: »
    Why I need more HP at the cost of less defense and less accuracy, or pay the high cost of max sharding gear with flawless HP.

    Well i can say it aggain he is not talking about HP shard. He is talking about VIT shard. And as all we know Vit add HP and both PHY and MAG defence. So no cost less DEF for better HP, with VIT stones you will get both.
  • Hitokeri - Heavens Tear
    Hitokeri - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Anyone else have any similar screen shots taken with the Eye to share?
  • Hitokeri - Heavens Tear
    Hitokeri - Heavens Tear Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I was able to snag another one.

    This barb has similar hp as the one who has 18 def lvl., but this guy has 0 def lvl. and you can see the big difference in their survival index number.

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  • AlanWake - Harshlands
    AlanWake - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    i know I'm not the only one wondering why your just not showing the rest of the stats and blanking out the name b:angry
  • Badazmofo - Dreamweaver
    Badazmofo - Dreamweaver Posts: 407 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    AlanWake - Harshlands wrote: »
    i know I'm not the only one wondering why your just not showing the rest of the stats and blanking out the name b:angry

    yes we need to see all the stats in order to give you a diffinative anser
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  • WShadow - Harshlands
    WShadow - Harshlands Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hitokeri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was able to snag another one.

    This barb has similar hp as the one who has 18 def lvl., but this guy has 0 def lvl. and you can see the big difference in their survival index number.

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    ALL YOUR COMPARE ARE USELESS AND COMEPLETLY NONSENCE. (sry for caps)
    You compareing barbars, with another equip maybe even another lvl and you think it will tell you what stones are better? b:chuckle b:chuckle b:chuckle

    To be able compare stones you need players who ARE EXACTLY EQUAL EACH OTHER. Only diferent in stones and find that will be a very hard.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    For the love of god, stop blocking the whole **** window, even evasion plays a huge role in survival index. You can't tell anything from these crappy screenshots.


    Only way to be able to tell accurately = get the same barb, replace all shards with def lvl shards, scan, replace all with g8/g9/vit shards, scan again.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited January 2010
    Someone hits you for 10k normally. Would you rather get hit with 8.2k but only have 6.8k left or have 10k left?

    I'd rather have the vit one, since if their damage dips only by a little, I can survive an extra hit.
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Are these barbs buffed? What level are these barbs? What are their stats? Are they in true form? If so, do they have sage/demon true form? Do they have the same equipment?

    Too many factors involved, not enough answers.
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  • Miharu - Raging Tide
    Miharu - Raging Tide Posts: 55 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    And where do you get this so called "Eye of Observation"
  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Miharu - Raging Tide wrote: »
    And where do you get this so called "Eye of Observation"

    trade tokens to obtain some, or get some @BH 100
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

    Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.
  • shootingstarvn
    shootingstarvn Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    how u can see this survival index?
  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    shootingstarvn wrote: »
    how u can see this survival index?

    more like what IS this 'survival index'?!
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