TTSquads:Importance of DDs
SaintDominic - Sanctuary
Posts: 284 Arc User
Please tell me if I'm wrong. I joined a TT2-3 squad yesterday and we had 3 BMs, a Barb, and another Cleric. As we went through bosses, i noticed that the DDs arent using their DD skills to kill the boss quicker. So I told them to please use their skills because I'm sacrificing a lot of mana for the group, but they laughed at me and kept on wacking the boss with their weapon and no DD skill whatsoever. b:sad It just hurt me that day.
Post edited by SaintDominic - Sanctuary on
0
Comments
-
SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »Please tell me if I'm wrong. I joined a TT2-3 squad yesterday and we had 3 BMs, a Barb, and another Cleric. As we went through bosses, i noticed that the DDs arent using their DD skills to kill the boss quicker. So I told them to please use their skills because I'm sacrificing a lot of mana for the group, but they laughed at me and kept on wacking the boss with their weapon and no DD skill whatsoever. b:sad It just hurt me that day.
Yeah it happens allot, either they just use auto attack and go afk or they just want to save their cost.
But this is LoL, 3BM's? And they didnt even use HF? LoL it should be HF all the time with that squad.
And this shows the lack of respect for clerics b:surrenderb:dirty0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yeah it happens allot, either they just use auto attack and go afk or they just want to save their cost.
But this is LoL, 3BM's? And they didnt even use HF? LoL it should be HF all the time with that squad.
And this shows the lack of respect for clerics b:surrender
The part with BMs afking and attacking is also true. It's pure laziness b:sad while clerics just have to be attentive and heal. (No im not one of those clerics that macro heal and afk)0 -
As far as im concerned, on the Archers case, we attack faster than we channel, so using most of the skills cuts the dmg output, (unless the skill crits or the boss is wood elem) if the boss is metal elem the self buff archers have to add fire dmg to their att, its far better just to auto att. may not be visualy atractive but its effective.
thats my opinion0 -
Genosuke - Heavens Tear wrote: »As far as im concerned, on the Archers case, we attack faster than we channel, so using most of the skills cuts the dmg output, (unless the skill crits or the boss is wood elem) if the boss is metal elem the self buff archers have to add fire dmg to their att, its far better just to auto att. may not be visualy atractive but its effective.
thats my opinion
Very true for archers with high dps, but the bms im concerned about. Those that don't use HF skill or the dmg amplify skill. I apologize for giving the wrong title of this thread. I should be more specific and refer to BMs b:surrender0 -
A BM's proper role in TT is crowd control and aoe attacking mobs up to boss.
When at boss's the BM's role turns to pure DD. Fists preferable should be used. And when chi is built Heavens Flame should be executed. If for some reason cleric is having trouble healing tank or Barb just doesn't have the equipment needed or if they aren't good with timing cancels; then you use myriad sword stance to help cleric keep Barb alive.
But above all else auto attack with fists, (swords can be substituted if they don't have stats for fists.) And HF as much as possible.Retired
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
well, yea it happens all the time, coz ppz will tell ya thy dont have to do much coz thy dont have 1st pick anyway
u may meet wizzies who dont have any (or very low) mana cost per tt run, coz thy use most crappy skills and thy do it slow
or venos who wont use pet on AoE boss coz of heals
and archers have at least serious bill coz thy must use arrows.. so i think sometimes that thy shud pick as 3rd b:chuckle
(btw is using DoT skills rly less dmg?)
and oke if archers dont need to use mp skills then why they at least dont spark?
anyway, just remember those ppz and dont squad with them. thy waste ur time and coinsBUILD EFFICIENCY CALCULATOR: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1129681
AGGRO MECHANICS: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=481682
GAME IS DEAD wiki-article: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=9382820 -
thats unfair to the cleric, i mean if i were healing in that position and thay LAUGHED at me when i told them to work... i would either not heal them any more and when they complained i would say something like, "I'm sorry i didn't know that i had to work if you guys weren't. Next time i'll attack for sure that should help. *rolls eyes.*"
or just leave the party and let them to their own devices. Clerics should not have disrespect in a party like that, i just cant understand where some people can start believing that if theres a cleric in the party they can do whatever they want to... Clerics are not slaves.
Anyways to the OP, good job lasting through that party. Next time demand respect or show them the consequences.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Blue signature made my Strawberry_ thank you!!
Red signature made and drawn by me.0 -
next time you are in that squad, heal 5 times > meditate > repeat
that will show them.Navarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0 -
When i saw the thread title and the first post i imagined Wiz's just autoattacking b:surrender0
-
Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »When i saw the thread title and the first post i imagined Wiz's just autoattacking b:surrender
Epic win, wizzie runs out of MP, takes his sword and yells "charge" and spank spanks the boss with his lill sword xDb:dirty0 -
heal only the barb, if its not killing the bms outright i would just let their charm tickSaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »Please tell me if I'm wrong. I joined a TT2-3 squad yesterday and we had 3 BMs, a Barb, and another Cleric. As we went through bosses, i noticed that the DDs arent using their DD skills to kill the boss quicker. So I told them to please use their skills because I'm sacrificing a lot of mana for the group, but they laughed at me and kept on wacking the boss with their weapon and no DD skill whatsoever. b:sad It just hurt me that day.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]lagunal8.deviantart.com
★"New weekly quests! "Discover the bug in the patch""-Nihillae★"My father would beat me if he found out I was QQing over a virtual pony."-Neurosis★"You're amongst the biggest blobs of fail I've ever seen in my life."-Ninnuam★"A statistic said 3% people of the world get enjoyment primarily from making people upset, and you are trying to discriminate them"-ilystah★["How To Tank Rebirth Order Delta (86+)"-Stickygreen Barb (1)restat. you want full magic, Arcane armour build (2)when mobs come /faceroll on your keyboard and you will one shot all the mobs (3)rinse and repeat]★"I've been spammed with 3 poops for 2 hours."-ColdSteele★"If someone fights learning, I don't bother with them outside of amusement factor."-Telarith★"This thread is a joke right? Please say yes."-eatwithspoons★ "This is why you don't post your opinions on the internet, most of the replies you get will be from people who missed a hug or two sometime in their youth."-Alacol★"Sexy! A post with a Binomial Distribution."-Asterelle★"It's about time PW starts to separate out the noob Sins from the rest."-salvati0n★"Shoo troll >:O"-TheDan0 -
lolololololololololololol
so did you guys do Belial? it'll hard to do it without EA/WF
and without them would take longer
ST will save you like 2-3 mins of dd per boss, wf debuff/amp will save you at least 3-10 mins depend on which boss[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
^me
already quit pwi, and yet my gears are still superior than 95% of you people.0 -
DD's who do their job right can save more then 3min per boss.
Just a quick simple example. TT1-3 SB/Armor bosses. With lazy DD's SB can 1 shot squishies if it takes to loong. Armor boss can take more then 20min to kill even with a full squad 80+, while with active DD's it can take way less then 10min.b:dirty0 -
Uh, not to sound entirely like a ****.
Some fist BMS dont have Heavens Flame or even axe mastery , and to be honest BM's do more damage with triple or double spark + fist then they do laying down a HF every now and again using axes for the squad.
Ive did a test while running a 1-3, Triple spark + fist gave more damage out put than lvl 10 HF with the squad.
If your so worried about Dbuffs on bosses roll a veno for amp or get a genie with Extreme poison.
b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Everything is based on mind, is led by mind, is fashioned by mind. If you speak and act with a pure mind, happiness will follow you, as a shadow clings to a form.0 -
LordChronis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Uh, not to sound entirely like a ****.
Some fist BMS dont have Heavens Flame or even axe mastery , and to be honest BM's do more damage with triple or double spark + fist then they do laying down a HF every now and again using axes for the squad.
Ive did a test while running a 1-3, Triple spark + fist gave more damage out put than lvl 10 HF with the squad.
If your so worried about Dbuffs on bosses roll a veno for amp or get a genie with Extreme poison.
b:bye
Actually a maxed out HF, which uses two sparks, with a properly made party will greatly increase the damage a boss is taking. Depends on party configuration.
I've done much testing. I have Gorenox Vanity fists. I demon spark watch damage....get two sparks use HF. Watch life plummet. It's all about experience. And then if needed you can even throw in a spark or two of your own because of your quick chi build for other skills. Even better is if you have veno's feeding you chi. Triple spark; (extreme poison)heavens flame (tangling mire)(veno amp) ; mid air switch to fists....and watch as the boss's life drops like ice cream on a hot summer day.Retired
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
LordChronis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Uh, not to sound entirely like a ****.
Some fist BMS dont have Heavens Flame or even axe mastery , and to be honest BM's do more damage with triple or double spark + fist then they do laying down a HF every now and again using axes for the squad.
Ive did a test while running a 1-3, Triple spark + fist gave more damage out put than lvl 10 HF with the squad.
If your so worried about Dbuffs on bosses roll a veno for amp or get a genie with Extreme poison.
b:byeAdvanceZero - Heavens Tear wrote: »Actually a maxed out HF, which uses two sparks, with a properly made party will greatly increase the damage a boss is taking. Depends on party configuration.
I've done much testing. I have Gorenox Vanity fists. I demon spark watch damage....get two sparks use HF. Watch life plummet. It's all about experience. And then if needed you can even throw in a spark or two of your own because of your quick chi build for other skills. Even better is if you have veno's feeding you chi. Triple spark; (extreme poison)heavens flame (tangling mire)(veno amp) ; mid air switch to fists....and watch as the boss's life drops like ice cream on a hot summer day.
This two things are squad based. Good squad more then likely that HF will be up all the time and with good timing, everyone will spark use best dps combos and walla massive chunks of HP goes down.
&
Veno should be able tell how much the tank needs and spare some for something like HF.
In a random squad, you prolly see a flux between what's the "best".b:dirty0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Veno should be able tell how much the tank needs and spare some for something like HF.
This here is bullcrap. Venos cannot tell who needs chi when. You need to tell them.I was early taught to work as well as play,
My life has been one long, happy holiday;
Full of work and full of play-
I dropped the worry on the way-
And God was good to me everyday.0 -
LordChronis - Dreamweaver wrote: »Uh, not to sound entirely like a ****.
Some fist BMS dont have Heavens Flame or even axe mastery , and to be honest BM's do more damage with triple or double spark + fist then they do laying down a HF every now and again using axes for the squad.
Ive did a test while running a 1-3, Triple spark + fist gave more damage out put than lvl 10 HF with the squad.
If your so worried about Dbuffs on bosses roll a veno for amp or get a genie with Extreme poison.
b:bye
Woah frist of all you don't tell me how to play my class. As a cleric, my job is to keep you all alive. Since your a DD, do us clerics a favor and do your dang job. Lol you expect me to roll a veno and DD? I show my preference for clerics more because im good at it. As stated in the beginning, I was infuriated at the fact that the bms have done absolutely nothing to bring the bosses down. -rolls eyes- Instead they the just wack the boss with their weapons. Lol those people might as well not be a DD at all. b:bye0 -
LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »This here is bullcrap. Venos cannot tell who needs chi when. You need to tell them.
Yes they can, it's called being pro in your class
so....
b:bye Go awayb:dirty0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes they can, it's called being pro in your class
so....
b:bye Go away
I 100% AGREE with this one. b:laugh0 -
LloydAsplund - Sanctuary wrote: »This here is bullcrap. Venos cannot tell who needs chi when. You need to tell them.
ROFL so your saying we should cut them some slack. Go take your veno carebear face back into the veno forums. b:bye0 -
if you really want heaven's flame to cause life to plummet, coordinate it with sparks from the DD's. I announced i was gonna demon spark in 5 seconds in squad chat, and the BM used heaven's flame accordinglyNavarre was your everyday veno, until she learned her true form. Now she's fox walloping and purging over and over again.. all for a deep stinging, head hunting, wind pushing Assassin. Will there be inner harmony and myriad rainbows? But of course! Yuri&Lemon Find it on Fanfiction XD "Discovering Sanctuary" Chapter 2 is up ^_^0
-
Rolf XDnext time you are in that squad, heal 5 times > meditate > repeat
When me (on cleric) & a friend tank were farming tts (he's usually banking) if we noticed bms just doing nothing... we''d warn em that would reflect on when we gona share drops, or just threaten to drop em out of squad.
Lol.. I have a noob veno... & even I can tell when others need chi =.=This here is bullcrap. Venos cannot tell who needs chi when. You need to tell them.b:cute [SIGPIC]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/ChisaiUsagi/wewewe.jpg[/SIGPIC] b:cute0 -
SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »Please tell me if I'm wrong. I joined a TT2-3 squad yesterday and we had 3 BMs, a Barb, and another Cleric. As we went through bosses, i noticed that the DDs arent using their DD skills to kill the boss quicker. So I told them to please use their skills because I'm sacrificing a lot of mana for the group, but they laughed at me and kept on wacking the boss with their weapon and no DD skill whatsoever. b:sad It just hurt me that day.
Yes. You are. At least in the way you approached the issue.
Complaining about the Mana we burn healing isn't going to get someone to DD faster. Reminding them that the harder they DD, the faster the run gets done and the faster everyone gets their cut of the loot generally gets a much better response. At least in my experience. If it doesn't...well...just do what you'd normally do in a terribad squad.0 -
XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver wrote: »Complaining about the Mana we burn healing isn't going to get someone to DD faster. Reminding them that the harder they DD, the faster the run gets done and the faster everyone gets their cut of the loot generally gets a much better response. At least in my experience. If it doesn't...well...just do what you'd normally do in a terribad squad.
The above, or tell them that you have enough mana pots left for 2 minutes.0 -
Cleric has better pick than a BM, out of all the dd's only an arcane Veno and Wiz can't go afk on auto-attack. Thread solved. I'm not justifying the afk DD'ers, but I can understand their reasons. It's not like they get a better pick if they use more skills..Few people make mistakes with fire after being once burned, of people who regard water lightly many have been drowned - Yamamoto Tsunetomo0
-
You see, that doesn't happen with Wizards, that's why we rock so much
. The only way we have to deal decent damage is with skills and we can go AFK dealing pwnage damage with Dragon's Breath (Lightning-like AoE), also, if we're not lazy, a good Pyro-Gush spam is enough to dig the boss. And that's why Wizards are the best DDers [SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=2508297003&dateline=1263853257[/SIGPIC]
Asoteric Runewolf just pwned you b:victory
(Yet another player who has quit this game :>; See you in Forsaken World)0 -
Kawakami - Dreamweaver wrote: »Cleric has better pick than a BM, out of all the dd's only an arcane Veno and Wiz can't go afk on auto-attack. Thread solved. I'm not justifying the afk DD'ers, but I can understand their reasons. It's not like they get a better pick if they use more skills..
..or get another inv to tt party?..
but im not so surprised -greedy barbs/clers made them like that
everybody saw that dozen times: f.e.
after 2-3- barb/cleric pick dust of devil, some DDs ant/arm, and last person some **** mat
then if there are still some mats left barb/cler pick best ones again b:surrender
barb win 2,5m ~~~> last DD 500k
and then people wonder why DDs are so lazy..
hopefuly that happens just in nub tt squads xPBUILD EFFICIENCY CALCULATOR: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1129681
AGGRO MECHANICS: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=481682
GAME IS DEAD wiki-article: pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=9382820 -
XRiptidex - Lost City wrote: »thats unfair to the cleric, i mean if i were healing in that position and thay LAUGHED at me when i told them to work... i would either not heal them any more and when they complained i would say something like, "I'm sorry i didn't know that i had to work if you guys weren't. Next time i'll attack for sure that should help. *rolls eyes.*"
or just leave the party and let them to their own devices. Clerics should not have disrespect in a party like that, i just cant understand where some people can start believing that if theres a cleric in the party they can do whatever they want to... Clerics are not slaves.
Anyways to the OP, good job lasting through that party. Next time demand respect or show them the consequences.
Agreed. If there is anything more frustrating than an AFK-autoattacking squad, is when one of those AFK bright sparks jumps in and tells the cleric how to heal. **Faceroll*[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
sig by the wonderful Forsakenx ;D0 -
SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »Please tell me if I'm wrong. I joined a TT2-3 squad yesterday and we had 3 BMs, a Barb, and another Cleric. As we went through bosses, i noticed that the DDs arent using their DD skills to kill the boss quicker. So I told them to please use their skills because I'm sacrificing a lot of mana for the group, but they laughed at me and kept on wacking the boss with their weapon and no DD skill whatsoever. b:sad It just hurt me that day.
repeat>stop heal>teleport to town>dc acidentaly>they learned a lesson..Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
![http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/ChisaiUsagi/wewewe.jpg[/SIGPIC]](http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o160/ChisaiUsagi/wewewe.jpg[/SIGPIC]){kind=link}
Categories
- All Categories
- 182K PWI
- 699 Official Announcements
- 2 Rules of Conduct
- 264 Cabbage Patch Notes
- 61.1K General Discussion
- 1.5K Quality Corner
- 11.1K Suggestion Box
- 77.4K Archosaur City
- 3.5K Cash Shop Huddle
- 14.3K Server Symposium
- 18.1K Dungeons & Tactics
- 2K The Crafting Nook
- 4.9K Guild Banter
- 6.6K The Trading Post
- 28K Class Discussion
- 1.9K Arigora Colosseum
- 78 TW & Cross Server Battles
- 337 Nation Wars
- 8.2K Off-Topic Discussion
- 3.7K The Fanatics Forum
- 207 Screenshots and Videos
- 22.8K Support Desk