When to armageddon

PandaXpresss - Harshlands
PandaXpresss - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Barbarian
Alright, finally got armageddon to a point that it does decent damage. And I hear it's a great finisher against those wearing LA. ie Archers, but I'm still skeptical on it actually landing. I'm wondering, when do you guys feel comfortable with attempting to use armageddon on something with that kind of evasion? After all, should you miss...

Do you always have to have beastial onslaught's eva debuff on?
Do you use bloodbath even though it reduces your hp and thus dmg?
Or just sharding immacs in your weapon and then using 2 misty's is enough for you?
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  • Xtasy - Raging Tide
    Xtasy - Raging Tide Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    accuracy pot bro
  • Xtasy - Raging Tide
    Xtasy - Raging Tide Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    beastial is a nice addon too
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    just do all teh suggestions to make sure you has the highest chance of landing your hit.
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  • Panzer_Tank - Heavens Tear
    Panzer_Tank - Heavens Tear Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Misty*2+blood bath+onslaught=no problem missing
    Now about the archer thing better fight then in tiger form, alacrity to keep em close and then spam devour and ream, they ll go down easily
    And with tree of protection it arma could be very first attack,specially for FA you can one shot em ^^

    And for blood bath, better lose some damage than all ^_~
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ToP Arma hurts~~~~~
    b:cry
    me got hit by one while me was doing WQ.....and it did...0 Damage!
    b:shocked
    lols~
    me was too busy laughing to get away. couldn't send out teh correct escape commands.
    XD

    well me suppose acc pots be not needed and you can use the saved apoc cooldown time for other stuff....like shell powder mayhaps?
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  • Knownase - Heavens Tear
    Knownase - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,959 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Yea, usually I use beastial onslaught before the ToP + Armageddon combo. Accuracy pots are nice too, but leaves other pots unusable for a bit. I have misties too, so it doesnt miss very often.

    If I use bloodbath, I usually have 2 rings of the heavenly lord for higher crit, something I've been wondering about. A crit-zerk armageddon will definitely make up for the slight HP loss. lol

    Also, does lowering one's defense increase armageddon damage? Not sure on that.
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  • Bartack - Heavens Tear
    Bartack - Heavens Tear Posts: 253 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    It is physical damage, so yes it does help.
  • KeMeK - Heavens Tear
    KeMeK - Heavens Tear Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    As far a best time to hit i find it most effective with a nice, Onslaught, Penatrate armor, ToP, Extreme Poison, Arma immediatly after a charm tick is near death on most robes and LA. This is also quick enough a quick swell and slam should finish them off
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  • PandaXpresss - Harshlands
    PandaXpresss - Harshlands Posts: 84 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    KeMeK - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    As far a best time to hit i find it most effective with a nice, Onslaught, Penatrate armor, ToP, Extreme Poison, Arma immediatly after a charm tick is near death on most robes and LA. This is also quick enough a quick swell and slam should finish them off

    Lil off topic, but your post reminded me, did you find swell useful to level up? Mine's still level 1 b:surrender
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ill suggest to use sure hits skill (100% accuracy) after succesfully breaking an HP cham

    so after ARMAGEDDON, MIGHTY SWING is the one to use when enemy has charm CD and have last few HP left...




    when u get to choose the final cultivation path, ull get 1 NO-MISS skill more for each culti

    ○Stomp of the Beast King (demon)
    ●Beastial Onslaught (sage)


    so it get more easy to deal with the evasion of the enemy...

    sure hits at that level is almost a 2-3k damage, so u just land 2 after charm break and is gone b:victory
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  • KeMeK - Heavens Tear
    KeMeK - Heavens Tear Posts: 82 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Its a great aoe from FF runs when you're doing a bit of DD, since slam pushes everything away and does decent damage
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  • Must - Lost City
    Must - Lost City Posts: 555 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    First use arma on wiz clerics to one shoot them really i do that and its great, just make sure u have charm on, on archer use wit h bloodbath u can still one shoot them but big chance u may miss and when using make sure they dont have bms buff on or else u gonna do more dmg to yourself than the target.

    Armaggedon its a risky skill so use wisely.

    About swell its good on high lvls for fbs frosts whne u need to aoe a lot so get it when u have more spirits to spare, its not a priority... but when u hit 70plus its quite good to kill lots of mobs when slam is on colldown or in fbs 89 or frost when u cant knock back mobs or else more mobs will come, putting ur hole pt in rosk of dying...
  • godprince
    godprince Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    im having some doubts about armaggeddon. at lvl92 my barbarian has fully buffed 24.8k hp not in tiger form. if i start lets say a duel, with 3 sparks or only 2, armaggeddon will take 4.0 for each hp point till half hp, so it will take 12.4k hp+ half mp, meaning those 12400 hp x 4= 49600 dmg+the mp half value+5000 dmg. in pvp, 75% reduction of dmg, lets say 75% of 49.6k dmg would be around 13.5k dmg (im not adding mp value which will add always more than 1.5k dmg) so at lvl98 there r ss of barbarians having 30k hp buffed. i mean armaggeddon can take the hp down a lot of any HA
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    godprince wrote: »
    im having some doubts about armaggeddon. at lvl92 my barbarian has fully buffed 24.8k hp not in tiger form. if i start lets say a duel, with 3 sparks or only 2, armaggeddon will take 4.0 for each hp point till half hp, so it will take 12.4k hp+ half mp, meaning those 12400 hp x 4= 49600 dmg+the mp half value+5000 dmg. in pvp, 75% reduction of dmg, lets say 75% of 49.6k dmg would be around 13.5k dmg (im not adding mp value which will add always more than 1.5k dmg) so at lvl98 there r ss of barbarians having 30k hp buffed. i mean armaggeddon can take the hp down a lot of any HA

    1st: GRATZ on ur 24.8k HP in human form, its really a HUGE NUMBER b:shockedb:dirty




    then, yes...

    armageddon is really a freaking OP skill, but has pros and cons in pk...
    it can either save or kill u, so the most important thing to know is how to TIME IT...

    ARMA + ZERK WEAPON + an HIGH CRITICAL rate (demon) = PWN =P



    What can i say ? Ive seen a SS of 2 level90 barb duel/pvp (dont remember well) where one deal pure 10K dmg on the other barb with arma (no amp, crit or zerk)...

    this is absolutely the most fearfull skill for both melee and squishy classes...b:chuckleb:victory
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  • Juggernaut - Harshlands
    Juggernaut - Harshlands Posts: 597 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The best way to help Perdition hit is to have the right rings, and to simply to use Beastial Onslaught before. I have a Misty and a Mastadon, 50% and 30% Accuracy. Using Beastial Onslaught decreases evasion by 50%. Even without Blood Bath, I rarely miss.
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  • godprince
    godprince Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    oh snap lol lvl94, and well when using blood bath i get a bit of reduction but is worth it. the hugest damages dealt on mobs around these days have been made by a barbarian and bm as far as i know. i cant tell wat thread, but theres one u can look up for it, a wizard that crit with black ice dragon for aproximately 400k on a mob, and a barb that used both physical debuffs on a mob and did a zerk armaggeddon for 350k damage. b:shocked

    anyhow, when fighting in pk mode a bm, i have the genie skill of inmunity to stuns+10 seconds of our own skill+pots that give me 20 seconds more. if the bm cant stun me, sweet its easy. and prolly ive seen some bms that use alter marrow physical, not a good idea :P
  • Feral_Wrath - Lost City
    Feral_Wrath - Lost City Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    godprince wrote: »
    im having some doubts about armaggeddon. at lvl92 my barbarian has fully buffed 24.8k hp not in tiger form. if i start lets say a duel, with 3 sparks or only 2, armaggeddon will take 4.0 for each hp point till half hp, so it will take 12.4k hp+ half mp, meaning those 12400 hp x 4= 49600 dmg+the mp half value+5000 dmg. in pvp, 75% reduction of dmg, lets say 75% of 49.6k dmg would be around 13.5k dmg (im not adding mp value which will add always more than 1.5k dmg) so at lvl98 there r ss of barbarians having 30k hp buffed. i mean armaggeddon can take the hp down a lot of any HA

    Dude...24.8k in human form? And lvl 92? Are your factoring in tree of protection? If not I want PICS OF YOUR GEAR NOW!

    For my armageddon I'll usually try to devour if its seems possible, sage beastial onslaught, tree of protection when onslaught finishes channeling, then BOOM.
  • godprince
    godprince Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Feral_Wrath - Lost City wrote: »
    Dude...24.8k in human form? And lvl 92? Are your factoring in tree of protection? If not I want PICS OF YOUR GEAR NOW!

    For my armageddon I'll usually try to devour if its seems possible, sage beastial onslaught, tree of protection when onslaught finishes channeling, then BOOM.

    if my hp impresses u, look for the guy lvl98 with 30k hp, that has already the screenshot of everything. b:laugh that really impressed meb:surrender (also having a good bunch of HP150+ citrines and most of my gear refinement is +9)

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=74b8eb004428250d
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f19f2c7ed0e64926
    those arent ss but thats how much hp a barb lvl100+ can have, 31k human form, 38k tiger form, and a sage barb in tiger from can have 61k p def. take a look at that (sry im too lazy to look up the barb with 30k hp i cant find it D:)
  • Feral_Wrath - Lost City
    Feral_Wrath - Lost City Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Oh I know its very possible, but never seen anyone who actually had that much. Highest we have on lost city I think has 27k in tiger form. I have around 23k. b:surrender
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    godprince wrote: »
    the hugest damages dealt on mobs around these days have been made by a barbarian and bm as far as i know. i cant tell wat thread, but theres one u can look up for it, a wizard that crit with black ice dragon for aproximately 400k on a mob, and a barb that used both physical debuffs on a mob and did a zerk armaggeddon for 350k damage. b:shocked

    if is the thread i think of, then the mage crit ss was on a boss in RB



    (since ive just tried 1 sigle RB, alpha, i dont know how this works)

    but if i remember well, later some barb posted that the RB boss is different (aura and stuff...noob at RB b:surrender)
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  • Nukesrus - Harshlands
    Nukesrus - Harshlands Posts: 665 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Any time not spent armageddon-ing is time better spent armageddon-ing. :P
  • AngelicArrow - Harshlands
    AngelicArrow - Harshlands Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Or you guys could just use it on casters since you will rarely miss anyway

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