Who do I beleive?

I think he's talking about the "CS CHEAP HERE!" shops near hou jenshi that sell all the shards for cheap and then the last one for like 50k.

I almost fell victim to one of these, but I caught the total and realized. It's not really a scam, just an... interesting pricing decision.

Yup, bannable. QQ moar.

brawl4life wrote: »

This is just a simple way of adverstisement. GMs you need to realize that you are babysitting our entire community. In real life if you go to the grocery store and buy your regular grocerys and they jacked the price up on 1 particular item. You hand the cashier your crdit card without even looking at the price you walk out of the store then realize you pay 50 bucks for a gallon of milk. You cant call the police and say "I got scammed can you get my money back". You shouldent have been stupid in the first place.

Ok check this. If you walk in a grocery store and they price tag on the milk says 1% whole milk 3.99/gal and you pick it up and take it to buy it and the milk then rings up (among your other groceries) for 39.99$. Not noticing you walk out of the store, notice the error later and come back and show them, they will make it right. They will return your money b/c they advertised a product for one price and charged you another. However; there are laws to protect consumer. If they didn't give you back your money, you'd never go back to that shop.. right?

In this game they can not possibly set up a "police". Although in many areas it would be nice if they would. I do think it should be bannable when a shop says Common stones 14,650k and then one of the stones is 600k and you buy it and then notice it they won't give your money back. They advertised something in their shop they clearly didn't comply with. But; at the same time unlike the grocery store where you might not notice this is a virtual game in which you don't own anything you even purchase here with real money. Therefore there is no law they can then "govern" over the people as such with shops like real laws here in the real world.

They do what they can, its not very dignified and people who do deliberate deception hoping to take advantage of your lack of observation lack much integrity at all.

tl:dr I'd say if your friend got banned for it, then yes its bannable. Spoons said not really in this post, but clearly ... whatever he did got him banned.

I remember some GM saying overpricing a said item isn't bannable.And if they give a ban for such things there must be more than just overpricing.

Lets say you put up a shop. The name of this shop is "Ultimate Subs", and you put a stack of Subs in a shop for 100k each, even though the market price of the item is only 80k each. Someone comes along to your shop, and buys all your overpriced Subs. He then finds out later that he overpaid and is upset.

Buyers Fault.

Now lets say you have the same shop, with the name "Ultimate Subs". Only this time, you put in a stack of DQ items that look like exactly like Subs. You are selling for 70k. Some guy comes along, buys them all, and finds out later that he didn't actually buy any Subs.

Your a jerk, but still Buyers Fault.

It takes 5 seconds to hover your mouse over an item and check to make sure the price is fair. Don't QQ because you were hasty and bought something you didn't want to. All the information you need to not get scammed is right there in front of you, and its not the GMs responsibly to make sure you are buying the right thing.

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

me added a bit since you has to check EVERYTHING that you wish to buy....
._.
and yes.....the monies saved be so worth the mouse hovering.
b:bye

lol you have a point. But still, even if it takes you a few minutes to double-check everything, its worth it if it means saving you the frustration of getting scammed.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Since there are now rules that prevent players from killing other players on a PVP server when outside safezones, I am not surprize that people are now expecting the GMs to also regulate prices of items.

If GMs really get involved in anything that is not an abuse of game mechanics (there are some scams that are abusing game mechanics, buying overpriced items, however,is not abuse of game mechanics), than I would hope they remove all catshops and player to player trades from the game, and only leave the Auction House. That way people can either npc their stuff or put it up in the auction house, however I am sure some would still demand the GMs did something about high prices of items, or when they made a mistake and underpriced something.

well...what me want regulated is when people do that odd exploit where they won't buy anything that they offer to buy in their own cat shop.
b:shocked
that obviously be some sort of exploit.

Market = Harshest PvP ever~
b:surrender
mayhaps me are at a disadvantage since me never really understood the whole monies concept.
(X_X)'

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Since there are now rules that prevent players from killing other players on a PVP server when outside safezones, I am not surprize that people are now expecting the GMs to also regulate prices of items.

If GMs really get involved in anything that is not an abuse of game mechanics (there are some scams that are abusing game mechanics, buying overpriced items, however,is not abuse of game mechanics), than I would hope they remove all catshops and player to player trades from the game, and only leave the Auction House. That way people can either npc their stuff or put it up in the auction house, however I am sure some would still demand the GMs did something about high prices of items, or when they made a mistake and underpriced something.

Actually if the auction house was the ONLY means of selling something other than NPC, the price of items would go down. Imagine west arch cleared of all the horrific cat shops. All those items would then be in the auction house. There would be more competition to sell an item driving prices down. This would also solve a lot of lag in west arch... come to think of it..

... hey... why haven't they done this already!!!

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That would be something that the GMs really need to look into, since that is a game mechanics exploit, the way I see it. However, I think it is not appropriate for the GMs to get involved in item pricing at all.

Than again, GMs already got involved in regulating PVP on PVP servers outside of safezones, so this is not that much of a stretch to think they will get involved regulating prices in the market, since that is also a form of pvp.

Are they actually regulating pvp or regulating other players harassing other players? Last I knew there was a lot of harassment going on to the point that it breeched the TOS agreement. Causing many other players harassment and grief. I mean honestly, a lvl 70 comes and pops a lvl 35 once.. all is fair in love and war. Twice.. the guy is a jerk but lets move on.. 10 times later.. that guy is there just to harass that person and that is unjustifiable.

OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Actually if the auction house was the ONLY means of selling something other than NPC, the price of items would go down. Imagine west arch cleared of all the horrific cat shops. All those items would then be in the auction house. There would be more competition to sell an item driving prices down. This would also solve a lot of lag in west arch... come to think of it..

... hey... why haven't they done this already!!!

Are they actually regulating pvp or regulating other players harassing other players? Last I knew there was a lot of harassment going on to the point that it breeched the TOS agreement. Causing many other players harassment and grief. I mean honestly, a lvl 70 comes and pops a lvl 35 once.. all is fair in love and war. Twice.. the guy is a jerk but lets move on.. 10 times later.. that guy is there just to harass that person and that is unjustifiable.

I keep suggesting removing catshops and move all sales to AH.... It really would solve lots of problems in the game.

Regarding the regulate pvp. It they were just stopping some players from harrassing other players, than those cases would be taken on a case by case manner, however, GMs have made it a bannable offense to pvp in SP on the pvp servers. You do not need to kill somoene 100 times to get a suspention if you do it in SP, you can get banned from killing someone once.. if that person decides to complain about it. The fact that the GMs made it a bannable offense to pvp in a non-safe zone means they are regulating pvp, in my opinion.

StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thats why you go to the merchant and combine. Its always cheaper. Why would someone go to the merchant, make some blemished shards then sell them for less than they payed for?

+1

I dont think it should be bannable. people have to pay for their lazyness. and if you are even lazy enough not to check the price of the shards you are buying then away with youb:bye

First off we are not dealing with "real" currency here. In this game coins can be made out of thin air (or on the ground, or in the water-where ever there are mobs.) Prices are set based upon this "currency" and what players are willing to pay. By clicking on the "BUY" button, you have completed the buyer contract. You, the buyer, agreed to buy the item for that price.

Your decision could have been based upon any number of influencers, from thinking you are getting a great deal to having a brain **** and not knowing what you are doing.

It doesn't matter what influenced your decision to enter the contract. What matters is that you entered into the contract willingly. As I stated in another thread "caveat emptor" buyer beware.

I say this having been scammed once, and yes I was darned angry about it. I learned my lesson and got over it. Now I am more aware. (I bought shabbies from a store labeled "commons.")

Players with creative pricing structures won't get banned. Why should they>

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I keep suggesting removing catshops and move all sales to AH.... It really would solve lots of problems in the game.

Regarding the regulate pvp. It they were just stopping some players from harrassing other players, than those cases would be taken on a case by case manner, however, GMs have made it a bannable offense to pvp in SP on the pvp servers. You do not need to kill somoene 100 times to get a suspention if you do it in SP, you can get banned from killing someone once.. if that person decides to complain about it. The fact that the GMs made it a bannable offense to pvp in a non-safe zone means they are regulating pvp, in my opinion.

As I've never been in Pk mode or even on a pvp server I am not sure but can you PvP in any other instance? And if so, can you pvp anyone but your own squad? The fact remains that SP is the ONLY instance in which you can PK other players that aren't in your squad. Perhaps they never intended on that happening just like the cube glitch, however; rather than regulating to players what is or isn't bannable in this case it would be much better if they'd just code it in where you couldn't do the bannable offenses. Would actually save them more time, they wouldn't be getting countless emails about it and having to ban people for it.

IDaun - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Yeah, moving all sales to AH would be so great... 'specially when you have that leftover 1 or 2 items that you want to sell, or when you need 27 of something but it's only sold in bulks of 50?

Quite frankly, the few herbs and mats I pick up when I'm questing aren't worth the fee for the AH. And I'm sure as hell not paying the price of 50 of a mat if I only need 5. But, that's what would happen. People wouldn't split up the-- herbs, for example-- into nice little piles of one, two, or even five. It's not worth the AH fee, and I don't think people will be inclined to split it up when it gets them more money to keep it in bulk on AH.

DQ items of less worth would be NPC'd more than ever, and I'd think that the people that do sell those items would raise their prices... because guess what? They have to compensate for the fee somehow. If you sell a DQ item for 1k when it's npc price is 800, you're losing money, even more so if no one buys in the first 'round' of putting it up on AH.

Ebay works quite well in this. There are people there who sell (lets say mousepads) You can purchase one or you can purchase 1000. It would be fairly easy to implement this type of "dutch" auction in the auction house where you could buy just 1 of whatever it is you want or 100. Problem solved.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Personally I think the GMs should ban for it, just to prevent undesirable behaviors from proliferating. Having just a few shops do it is mildly annoying, but if word gets out that the GMs feel it's perfectly legit and won't ban for it, half the shops in Archo are going to be doing it.

But if they don't have the manpower to do that, they should just implement a "checkout receipt". When you click "buy" on a cat shop, it pops up a dialog listing every item. e.g.:

You are about to pay:

14,000 for 1 common alabaster shard
14,000 for 1 common aquamarine shard
14,000 for 1 common ruby shard
14,000 for 1 common amethyst shard
140,000 for 1 shabby topaz shard

Are you sure you want to complete this transaction?

This is actually a really good idea. But I still like the idea of totally getting rid of cat shops and taking out the a/h fee for things other than Gold.

I work in a grocery store. If you're charged a higher price at register for something than was advertised on shelf, you get it for free. If you bought more than one, you get 1 free and rest at reduced, advertised price. This is actually the law where my chain is headquartered, Pennsylvania.

The more you know....