A bit of help please.... Developers :)

Zenwinger - Dreamweaver
Zenwinger - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
edited January 2010 in General Discussion
A hot button issue in a faction I'm in within Dreamweaver is, the idea that somebody might be cheating during Fb,s Folks go into their Fb's tab, kill the boss, and find no drops. Just coin. I've read several posts speaking of level influences and Luck, being a factor. I've also heard that this is a bug that will soon be fixed with the next patch.

So the help I ask for is that of a GM or Developer. Please post to the public playing PWI something pertaining to this issue. Lots of opinion posts to read, but its tough to come to any factual conclusion from opinion posts.

Also to cover the flamers that are surely going to tell me things been hammered out already. If there is a post of this sort, a link to that posting would be greatly appreciated. But the only posting that I would find creditable would be one containing actual posting from the PWI Team.
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ...You think that because nothing dropped the players are cheating...?
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  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I was a bit confused by that as well - how does unlucky drops = cheating?
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    First thing first. Developers do NOT exist on these forums or in PWE's HQ.

    Its all based on luck. No one has a definitive answer for it yet. From my experience, the more higher levels in your squad, the more likely the boss will drop coins.
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  • Super_Trout - Dreamweaver
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Those "several posts speaking of level influences and Luck, being a factor" are indeed, the factor. ._.

    The farther outside of the intended level to kill the boss that people are, the greater chance of it only dropping coins (however this is not always true, as I helped with an fb19 on my 80 cleric and it dropped a mold). The coins are just a default drop.
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  • Zenwinger - Dreamweaver
    Zenwinger - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well its a bit deeper then that. It was supposedly due to the fact that it seemed only to happen when a particular player was involved. And a member of the faction was told by her IT brother that something of the sort might exist. I myself was skeptical and I still am. Thus my reason for wanting to hear from a developer. Is it a bug, a cheat, and is it going to be fixed if it is a bug?
  • Super_Trout - Dreamweaver
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Is this particular player fairly high level?
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  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lol..................... This is a new one. Hacking for the reason of not obtaining good drops.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    (however this is not always true, as I helped with an fb19 on my 80 cleric and it dropped a mold).
    my 67 dropped one in 19 too
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  • Zenwinger - Dreamweaver
    Zenwinger - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    No no no lol. Hacking for reason of gaining all drops in such a way that no one else even see's them. Which is why I am skeptical of it all myself. I just want to get to the bottom of it all. But sounds as though, as in most MMO's Developer feedback is minimal.
  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    From what I've read it seems like you have been having a string of bad luck. There is no way to take drops without having them displayed in the squad box b:victory

    If you truly think that something like that is happening, send a ticket, we can look into it. It will most likely be bad luck though, if there was something like that going around we would have seen it more by now.
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  • Super_Trout - Dreamweaver
    Super_Trout - Dreamweaver Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Zenwinger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No no no lol. Hacking for reason of gaining all drops in such a way that no one else even see's them. Which is why I am skeptical of it all myself. I just want to get to the bottom of it all. But sounds as though, as in most MMO's Developer feedback is minimal.

    Umm...if the boss only drop coins, then it only drops coins. O.o

    I doubt anyone is making the drops "invisible" to everyone else just so they can have them. I don't even think a **** like that could be possible... b:shocked
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  • Saitada - Sanctuary
    Saitada - Sanctuary Posts: 3,220 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Zenwinger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No no no lol. Hacking for reason of gaining all drops in such a way that no one else even see's them. Which is why I am skeptical of it all myself. I just want to get to the bottom of it all. But sounds as though, as in most MMO's Developer feedback is minimal.

    Do you see coins on the ground? Lots of them? in many little piles (8-15 or so)? If so.. guess what.. the CTD dropped a coin reward instead of an item reward.

    IF on the other hand your seeing no drops at all, of any kind, neither coin or items.. THAT might be a **** or bug.

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  • Kitsuneaki - Sanctuary
    Kitsuneaki - Sanctuary Posts: 154 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do you see coins on the ground? Lots of them? in many little piles (8-15 or so)? If so.. guess what.. the CTD dropped a coin reward instead of an item reward.

    IF on the other hand your seeing no drops at all, of any kind, neither coin or items.. THAT might be a **** or bug.

    ~Saitada

    Maybe some bosses are just cheap and dont like dropping their money b:laugh



    to OP- If someone **** and made lots of molds ect drop, and made it out of the fb ect with all the drops going to them..nobody seems to be complaining, like Spoons said
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  • Zenwinger - Dreamweaver
    Zenwinger - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Thank you for your input all. And thanks to you Eatwithspoons for coming in and putting your two cents in as well. I appreciate it. I will forward the link to those who suspect this ****/bug rumor and let them decide for themselves. Folks are leaving the faction due to this rumor and this is rather sad because its a good faction with several good players with good additudes.
  • Zenwinger - Dreamweaver
    Zenwinger - Dreamweaver Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Oh and to answer a question about wether the suspected player was a high level player. The answer is yes the player is in the 80's. Also I am aware of the level influence upon Fb's if that is why you might be asking. b:pleased
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Information on how level affects item drops:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/drop

    Now, I'm not certain if it's 100% accurate, and it doesn't mention the effects of squad mates. I believe it's based either on highest level in the area of the kill or the level of whoever does the most damage, though.

    Item drops are all-or-nothing, except during the rare double drop events where the second drop is an independent "roll". Either you get a bunch of coins, or you get a pile of items and coins.
  • IDaun - Dreamweaver
    IDaun - Dreamweaver Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Do you see coins on the ground? Lots of them? in many little piles (8-15 or so)? If so.. guess what.. the CTD dropped a coin reward instead of an item reward.

    IF on the other hand your seeing no drops at all, of any kind, neither coin or items.. THAT might be a **** or bug.

    ~Saitada

    Actually... I ran a FB19 Winged Elf with an 8x, a 7x and another 6x in the squad. We got no drops from the boss. o.o I just figured it was because we had so many high levels (switching of aggro-- playing 'aggro ping pong' also seems to influence FB19 drops... me, another wizzie, a barb, and a veno used to squad together a lot in the 3x range and play ping pong with the FB19 Untamed boss. Crappy drops every time. The FBs we did serious, though, got better drops.)
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  • RaDeSK - Sanctuary
    RaDeSK - Sanctuary Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hum, I think that the drop system is based in healing dmg and dmg delaed or total party lvl, since I tried to kill the fb39 boss with a char in lvl 39 hitting only and tanking @the same time, a high lvl sacer healing, anyway, the pt was 4 lvl 6x and 1 lvl 39 the boss was coin only, so the last boss (Hercule Trioc) we changed to 3 lvl 3x and 3 lvl 6x -.-', the boss droped Wheel Of Fate and only the 6x attacked the last boss -.-'.


    So I can guess this=> It's a party lvl system and not a who got the higher dmg OR I got bad luck in the first 2 bosses and hell luckly in the last one.

    The strange thing is=> if you're in a pt with hiiiigher lvls chars, and you're low one (exaple => u => 22 friends => 80) and kill a mob of your lvl, you get the normal xp of a pt from your lvl, but, if your friend kill it, you all get 1xp
  • sihndra
    sihndra Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »
    Information on how level affects item drops:
    http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/drop

    Boss loot quality is indeed inversely proportional to the levels of the characters in the squad who killed him.

    If you kill Rend Razorjaw with a Lv 100 helping you, you will be very lucky to get more than coin. This is an intentional and properly functioning gameplay mechanic.
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