Sharding AA veno
Catsnap - Heavens Tear
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soo.. what do you believe is the best way to shard your Arcane veno? I have heard of both +HP and +Pdef ... which one do you consider the best?
Thanks in advance,
Catsnap
Thanks in advance,
Catsnap
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Catsnap - Heavens Tear wrote: »soo.. what do you believe is the best way to shard your Arcane veno? I have heard of both +HP and +Pdef ... which one do you consider the best?
Thanks in advance,
Catsnap
if you are level 30 as ur avatar says, than i guess u shouldnt really waste money on sharding ur gear yet,... u should survive perfectly well without sharding till level 70ish or so,...0 -
Indeed, at thirty it's probably not gonna make much difference. Of course, you also get a few free stones from supply stash and such - which I didn't get any benefit from saving, so it's not gonna hurt you much either.
Personally, I go about 1 citrine to 2 garnets. If you've got a lot of vit (or a lot of refines) you should probably just use garnets, if you've got no HP at all you should probably use a few more citrines.
I was told to aim for having roughly 3k pdef and 3k HP to do rebirth. Since the only time I died in rebirth was an embarrassing party wipe on the lightning boss, this seems to have worked out for me.
There's also this thread which works out when it's better to have pdef and when HP - though it doesn't take into account things that just plain hit for damage.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=5851002
There's also a view, to try and forestall that, that you should have utterly minimal HP so that you get the maximum benefit when you transfuse.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Indeed, at thirty it's probably not gonna make much difference. Of course, you also get a few free stones from supply stash and such - which I didn't get any benefit from saving, so it's not gonna hurt you much either.
Personally, I go about 1 citrine to 2 garnets. If you've got a lot of vit (or a lot of refines) you should probably just use garnets, if you've got no HP at all you should probably use a few more citrines.
I am only asking cause I'm saving the ones from the supply stash for later levels ... maybe for once I hit 40 ... don't know... but what you are suggesting is a good balance between the two right? guess that would work ^_^0 -
if you are level 30 as ur avatar says, than i guess u shouldnt really waste money on sharding ur gear yet,... u should survive perfectly well without sharding till level 70ish or so,...
it's not that I don't survive or something but I want to lvl faster and so it is a great help if I can take 2-3 hits before my pet arives to the rescue ^_^0 -
Pdef shards if you only ever plan to fight assassins, blademasters and barbarians.
HP will give you a better survability against all classes. Shards won't really matter till 80+. Have fun at the moment playing around with different glowy colours.Reikara - 94 HA/AA Veno - Heaven's Tear - Retired
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Why do I stick around? I draw pwi fanart.0 -
Catsnap - Heavens Tear wrote: »I am only asking cause I'm saving the ones from the supply stash for later levels ... maybe for once I hit 40 ... don't know... but what you are suggesting is a good balance between the two right? guess that would work ^_^
Edited my post btw. On my veno, my first real character, I first sharded my general-summer's magic sword. I first sharded armour with.... the rank3 stuff I think.
I *still* have empty sockets in my hat, because I want to replace it. I've been wanting to do that since level 50 so....
Yeah, I'm lazy with shards. I get hit so rarely that it doesn't really matter what I wear - as long as I can survive AOEs and such long enough for the cleric to kick in. So I admit I'm not playing optimally.
I mean, 'optimally' you'd be using the highest level shards you possibly can, all the time. But who's got the coin for that?0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Edited my post btw. On my veno, my first real character, I first sharded my general-summer's magic sword. I first sharded armour with.... the rank3 stuff I think.
I *still* have empty sockets in my hat, because I want to replace it. I've been wanting to do that since level 50 so....
Yeah, I'm lazy with shards. I get hit so rarely that it doesn't really matter what I wear - as long as I can survive AOEs and such long enough for the cleric to kick in. So I admit I'm not playing optimally.
I mean, 'optimally' you'd be using the highest level shards you possibly can, all the time. But who's got the coin for that? agreed
At my level though, I am not used to having a cleric over my head...I am on soloing mode and most of the times I have to care for my own hp... soul transfusion HAS saved my life a zillion times but for its cooldown (same for metabolic boost) I have to be very careful xP up to now I have only died twice, both times due to computer lags. I'd like to keep that up xP0 -
I only use the shards I get for free, haven't bought any yet and my level isn't that high so saving the money for later sharding seems better. I like using P.def don't know i that is a good choice though.(\_/)
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Vintersun - Sanctuary wrote: »I only use the shards I get for free, haven't bought any yet and my level isn't that high so saving the money for later sharding seems better. I like using P.def don't know i that is a good choice though.
yup yup can't afford to spend all that money on the non-free ones xD supply stash rocks! b:laugh0 -
Well, solo - if I get hit it's because I made a mistake. So it does happen, maybe a couple of times an hour.
As long as the hit doesn't kill me outright it doesn't make much odds whether I have defence or hitpoints - and shards really make a very small difference. Especially lower levelled shards; thirty HP or pdef? there's just really nothing in it.
Shard it up if you like, but I wouldn't expect it to make a huge difference. Spending the time to get used to keeping aggro on your pet will be a far better investment.0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well, solo - if I get hit it's because I made a mistake. So it does happen, maybe a couple of times an hour.
As long as the hit doesn't kill me outright it doesn't make much odds whether I have defence or hitpoints - and shards really make a very small difference. Especially lower levelled shards; thirty HP or pdef? there's just really nothing in it.
Shard it up if you like, but I wouldn't expect it to make a huge difference. Spending the time to get used to keeping aggro on your pet will be a far better investment.
currently looking for money to get my walker a bash lvl (so that it can hold aggro)
I know how to lure and sure let my pet attack its target first before I aid it (never in a raw so as not to take aggro)
What else should I look into learning and/or mastering? b:cute0 -
Not misusing roar, since that's the walkers most interesting feature.
Mainly, just getting into a rhythm and learning how many hits it takes your pet for each of your spells. Which of course varies wildly as you and your pet level up.
But at thirty you can steal from your pet? Either you have WAY more magic attack than I've ever seen on a veno, or you're doing a lot of critical hits (my advice being to NOT use +crit rings, they killed me a lot) or you're doing something wrong - either attacking before the pet recaptures aggro after the lure, or using roar JUST before your spell lands. (Roar resets the aggro - which means if the pet had a lot of aggro it's actually actively unhelpful.)
Edit: Oh, another comment about shards. Garnets help foxform more than citrines do. Dunno how often you go fox though.0 -
IMO it depends on the type of arcane.
I stat vit, a lot of it (have 123 currently with gears), so I use citrine shards ONLY in my hat and cape--I suffer from diminishing returns. Instead, I stat pdef shards in my armor--and generally I'm able to get a better pdef shard for less than the same level hp shard, so it's nice that way too (they say vit is the cheap veno's refine =P)
However, for pure or light vit (<= 50 vit), I'd say you'd benefit more from citrine shards--pdef is less versatile.
As others have said though, I didn't start heavily sharding until 7x.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »Not misusing roar, since that's the walkers most interesting feature.
Mainly, just getting into a rhythm and learning how many hits it takes your pet for each of your spells. Which of course varies wildly as you and your pet level up.
But at thirty you can steal from your pet? Either you have WAY more magic attack than I've ever seen on a veno, or you're doing a lot of critical hits (my advice being to NOT use +crit rings, they killed me a lot) or you're doing something wrong - either attacking before the pet recaptures aggro after the lure, or using roar JUST before your spell lands. (Roar resets the aggro - which means if the pet had a lot of aggro it's actually actively unhelpful.)
Edit: Oh, another comment about shards. Garnets help foxform more than citrines do. Dunno how often you go fox though.
I only recently found out about the effect of roar so i used to think of it as bash...there goes the aggro stealing (plus some wrongs of mine eg. targeting the wrong with Tab etc etc)
I don't do many crits and my mag is not that high up 9-1 per 2 lvls
I think I need to get to know my pets a lil better xP
thanks for all your help though
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Fox Form multiplies on your pdef. For a Sage Fox, that's 150% increase. Citrine doesn't help this, but Garnet does.
Garnet helps balance your pdef with mdef giving you great survivability while keeping your HP low which saves you on HP pots if using Soul Transfusion for MP when spam healing on a boss. You also get better HP% returns on Genie healing / other forms of healing.
I'd recommend using pdef ornaments until you're at the level that you can use Perfect Garnet or better, and at that level: Garnets are much cheaper than Citrine. Keeper equips like Sleeves of the Sea Captain are a good equip to start on.
Plenty of HP can come from refines, and equip stats. There's no reason in PvE to gimp your potential matk, pet healing, max mp, mp recovery, etc for high HP, unless you wanna be one of those venos that asks other venos for help healing their pet.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
The OP, like a lot of us, is an Arcane Veno. Most arcanes don't spend a lot of time in Fox Form. I have been spending more time fighting in Fox Form, but even so, Level 3 Fox Form/Demon Fox Form already gives a 120% phys def increase. For an average arcane, the extra 30% Sage grants amounts to 200 extra phys def which boils down to 2% more physical damage reduction. Easily replaced by refining a phys def ornament.
For a vit arcane veno, no HP pots are needed after using Soul Trans while spam healing a boss. Our naturally higher HP regen takes care of it. I fail to see how lower HP affects your HP% returns while using healing skills. The HP% is the same regardless of your HP and having higher HP means you get more HP back from the skill. 50% of 5000 is more than 50% of 3000.
Garnets and Citrines both have their pros and cons. I started out sharding my level 70 stuff with garnets since I had a good HP pool and low phys def. When I got my TT90, I used citrines since the clean TT90 gave me the same phys def as the lower garnet-sharded armor. However, I've been switching back to garnets lately. I've found that I have enough HP to survive most Bosses/instances, but physical hits/aoes hit hard these days.0 -
i would say ur rite a balance of both i run TT alot and when i crict i take arrgo away from my magmite so its good to have hp and p def......for my char i was thinking ill go pure mage for full damage but ill refine and shard so i can have a bit more hp and not gimp my dmg.0
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Plenty of HP can come from refines, and equip stats. There's no reason in PvE to gimp your potential matk, pet healing, max mp, mp recovery, etc for high HP, unless you wanna be one of those venos that asks other venos for help healing their pet.
I'd rather ask for help healing than help surviving aoes.... b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Alphae - Lost City wrote: »I'd rather ask for help healing than help surviving aoes.... b:surrender
There are a plethora of pure mags that fail to have such issues.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
But you're speaking of refines surely tweakz and yes that is an option definitely, and certainly should be considered by endgame venos as a way to reduce the amount of vit they stat or eliminate statting it all together, but vit is the poor man's refine, at the expense of mag attack... it's definitely a trade-off but it's easier on me certainly when I might not log on for 2-3 weeks at a time due to school, work, and family commitments o_o
The point is moot as I got the herc when it was (relatively) cheap for grind pet... when I'm in squads I don't tank if I can help it, and never on bosses that I'm not 100% sure I can heal on. I'm much more useful debuffing and spark building and passing anyway... I can do this on the cheap since I have vit and can run through aoes to debuff, so on and so forth, without needing to hood and eliminating all that spark I have been building to pass D=[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
that would be around 1k pdef not 200 for a lvl 100 fox.Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »The OP, like a lot of us, is an Arcane Veno. Most arcanes don't spend a lot of time in Fox Form. I have been spending more time fighting in Fox Form, but even so, Level 3 Fox Form/Demon Fox Form already gives a 120% phys def increase. For an average arcane, the extra 30% Sage grants amounts to 200 extra phys def which boils down to 2% more physical damage reduction. Easily replaced by refining a phys def ornament.
why ppl lvl to 100 if they wear lvl 80-90 gear?0 -
that would be around 1k pdef not 200 for a lvl 100 fox.
why ppl lvl to 100 if they wear lvl 80-90 gear?
Haven't seen much +m/s / -channeling gear with higher level equips so I've preferred to imbue / refine the stuff I've got so far. (Only @ 96 atm but using sub 90 equips)Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
you are extremely wrong about how FF works.Originally Posted by Vidalaire - Heavens Tear
The OP, like a lot of us, is an Arcane Veno. Most arcanes don't spend a lot of time in Fox Form. I have been spending more time fighting in Fox Form, but even so, Level 3 Fox Form/Demon Fox Form already gives a 120% phys def increase. For an average arcane, the extra 30% Sage grants amounts to 200 extra phys def which boils down to 2% more physical damage reduction. Easily replaced by refining a phys def ornament.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=d911f481e2aa6ddf
using a quick route to match close to average pdef of garnet sharded robe user, the percent makes it rise exponentially going from 5.8k def-> 12.7k level 3-> 14k at sage.
resulting in a 1725 jump in defense.
sure at that level, you are correct in the % mitigation, but the amount of defense you claims it increases by is totally wrong.0 -
Doubtful that the average veno at level 90 has 5k+ pdef unless they're decked out in the anni pack gear. Most have 2k-3k phys def and when you apply the Sage/Demon Fox Form calculations, the difference becomes about 900 at the upper end. So I was a little off, but the damage reduction is still 3% and my point still stands. The damage reduction is very easily replaceable. Throw on +phy dmg reduction ormnaments/refined pdef ornaments when you need the extra pdef and it's covered. In fact, it looks like the damage reduction will always be 2%-3% between Sage and Demon FF and as your pdef gets higher that difference starts to matter less and less.
And kenlee, have you even looked at the TT99 Arcane set? It sucks compared to the TT90 except for maybe the sleeves and I consider that debatable as well. Most of it has a lot of dex/evade which is not that useful for arcanes. In fact I plugged in the TT99 set in the calculator to determine whether it was worth it to switch for me and with the same refines/shard the TT90 set gave more pdef. Sometimes higher level equips aren't always better.0 -
2-3k is what i have if i take off my pdef accesories O_o; i have 5.5, and 13k in fox, using only 90 gear/pdef accesories. i dont know where youre getting your numbers from.0
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Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »Doubtful that the average veno at level 90 has 5k+ pdef unless they're decked out in the anni pack gear.
Including buffs, I have 8k pdef in fox form and 5k HP while wearing AA, and I do not have any anni gear on.
My "pdef gear" is my rank gear sharded with beaut garnets, TT90 helm, green frost boots, OHT sleeves with double pdef bonuses, TT90 +3s pdef neck, TT80 +4 belt, 2x 3* might l88 rings with +105hp and +80HP, or a green frost might ring with +2 refine and max stats. My cape has 2 socks with garnets and +5 magic... I also switch to a requiem sword for the extra vita and str, since it has better patck than my gaive has.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »Including buffs, I have 8k pdef in fox form and 5k HP while wearing AA, and I do not have any anni gear on.
My "pdef gear" is my rank gear sharded with beaut garnets, TT90 helm, green frost boots, OHT sleeves with double pdef bonuses, TT90 +3s pdef neck, TT80 +4 belt, 2x 3* might l88 rings with +105hp and +80HP, or a green frost might ring with +2 refine and max stats. My cape has 2 socks with garnets and +5 magic... I also switch to a requiem sword for the extra vita and str, since it has better patck than my gaive has.
And that's with Beaut garnets, and not Perfect or better (what I suggest). My pDef is 7129 at lvl 96, but I also use lower level equips for the +m/s & -ch stats.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=f710c8202c413934 this'll be me after i get a few more $ to buy my last socket stones on my bday soon :P. 5.1k hp, 9.7k pdef on my new veno.
just wish i could get the refines of my old one >>; its kinda disappointing missing a bit of def.0 -
First, not everyone shards with garnets. Some choose to go with citrines. Second, not everyone can afford high level shards to put in their armor. That build you posted has 4285 pdef in human form. Most of that is from the shards. With citrines or lower level shards, you'd have about 2k-3k like I said. Just because you choose to go that route does not mean everyone else did too. A lot of Venos 90+ do have about 2k-3k in HUMAN FORM without any buffs.
Jazmin, that sounds like a special set of equips just for pdef. What's that prove? I mean, if I wanted to, I could assemble a set of equips to maximize my Veno's evade. I'm talking about the average Veno's equips and what they provide. Not everyone chooses to focus on pdef like that.0 -
Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »First, not everyone shards with garnets.
Not everyone even shards at all. Most are arcane, most therefore should shard with garnets.Second, not everyone can afford high level shards to put in their armor.
The ones that go with low level shards then switch to higher waste their coin. She's already using lower than I'd recommend.With citrines or lower level shards, you'd have about 2k-3k like I said. Just because you choose to go that route does not mean everyone else did too.
Yeah, some venos use a bow for a weapon, or don't even use a pet.I'm talking about the average Veno's equips and what they provide. Not everyone chooses to focus on pdef like that.
Do people come to the forum to learn how to be average? Do they strive to be average? Citrines are more expensive than Garnets at Perfect +. Citrines HP doesn't get boosted by Fox Form like Garnets pDef does. Higher Def, Lower HP equates to much more efficient operation. You want Lemmings?Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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