help with venomancer

phantomstriker
phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Venomancer
so im planning on starting a venomancer, but i got a few questions about them.

i read this guide: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=4261
and the section under armor, are those the build you should do?
example: if your gonna use robes your str should be lvl+8 devided by 2 so like lvl 8 you should have 8 str?

then theres skills.
in the guide they writte what skills should be maxed, but is it possible to only take the mage and pet related skills? or is fox importent?

pets.
do you need both a ground and air pet? in the guide they tell about some different pets, and they say flying pig is good air tank. so from the list should i get good ground AND air tanking pets?

thx for reading this, and thx for reply :)
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  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    that guide is outdated and a pain in the **** to understand.

    you can do arcane armor, or light armor builds
    LA = 3 mag, 1 dex, 1 str every level
    Robe = 4 mag 1 str on even levels, 3 mag 2 vit on odd.

    read the Arcane/Robe venomancer guide for skills, its ALOT more detailed.

    petwise, id recommend hunting a glacial walker in the new islands in the south east, its a very wonderful pet. flying pet is only important if you wanna PVP. if you want one, get a petit sawfly out above bamboo village which is in the south of the map. flying pig sucks

    fox form has only 3 important moves: purge, amplify damage, and leech. they aid your party in boss fighting and keep you alive.

    tell me what you think of the arcane/robe guide too, i worked hard on it ;__;
  • MagicVos - Heavens Tear
    MagicVos - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    im not gonna give you a build, because you gonna get to much diffend things. i got a other one.

    fox skills you only need amplify damage and purge. leech is only use full when you got a heavy build, as arcane veno you got better things like soul transfusion and mp and hp boost.

    about pets: idk that glacial walker but i heared they are better then magmites. a fly pet you will need for quests in the air ; )
  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    so i read the arcane/robe veno guide.

    on the vit build, is the magic atk gonna be a lot lower? or just a little so it wont make a difference?

    i'd pretty much like to do some good dmg.

    on armors i presume that robe is the 9 mag 1 str build and arcane is the vit build right?
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    well, the vit adds alot to your hp and defense, their magic attack will be only somewhat higher, but not to the point where youre losing alot of damage.

    arcane = a type of armor, arcane robes are their full name lol.

    vit + mag = vit arcane build
    9 / 1 = pure magic

    vit mag is alot easier to survive with, and alot more well rounded.
  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    okay think i'll go for the vit and mag build then :) and robes only use mag stats right?
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    yeah, use physical defense belts and necklaces too, and put garnets in your armor provide they have a socket.

    i forgot to mention you need to be level 19 i think to use that glacial walker pet.
  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    okay ;) well thx for you help m8. cant wait to start

    but how come venomancer is the class that makes most cash?
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wow, that's a LOT of vit to add. I'd add way less than that.

    And no, veno doesn't "make the most cash" - we DO have very low running costs, since our repair bills tend to be very low and we don't need to buy pots.
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    theyre very easy to solo, and dont need to spend money on repairs/potions at all. they also have a move to heal their hp and mp by 50%, and switch them, you can use the switch, then the heal to instantly refuel lol.

    7 / 2 / 1 is a common vit arcane build, vitenka, its just ~90 vit by 90, and its plenty normal, i have 150 vit o_O;.
  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    hmm okay, so its more like a wizard you should grab to make good cash? :P
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    theyre very easy to solo, and dont need to spend money on repairs/potions at all. they also have a move to heal their hp and mp by 50%, and switch them, you can use the switch, then the heal to instantly refuel lol.
    this quote + the fact you have a personal pet tank. money comes in boat loads at low levels.
  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    okay thx Lenn :)
  • Marista - Lost City
    Marista - Lost City Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    >.>; Please don't misinform the lowbies, vit does nothing noticeable for defense, and vit build can certainly hurt your damage. Depending on how far you go into it, LA would probably even have better damage than vit build, especially since they have a considerable chance of crit. A little vit isn't bad, but full vit build isn't particularly helpful in PvE, and I haven't been impressed by it in PvP either, but at least it has some use there. In PvE, you aren't going to be taking hits very often anyway, so HP isn't a big help.

    As far as actual damage comparison, we compare magic attack at Lv 50 with the supply stash sword. For pure magic (5 vit, 5 dex, 29 str, 226 magic), the range is 1599-1912, while for the 2 vit every 2 lvs, you get 1355-1620. That certainly seems like a decent loss, especially since LA has 1237-1479 and x3 the chance to crit. My suggestion would be that you try pure magic at first, and if you decide you need more HP, add vit as needed later.

    Also, as far as pets go, having an air pet will become important higher up, when you'll have your fair share of flying and water mobs, both of which an air pet can do, but I wouldn't advise bothering with an air tank. Foxwing, Skatefish, or sawfly hit harder, and honestly nothing in the air needs tanked that badly short of one mini-world boss and Jewel, neither of which I would suggest worrying about. For grinding purposes, a glass cannon is as good as or better than a tank--you might have to heal more frequently, but that's balanced out by the mobs dying faster.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    So, I heard HA veno is the way to go? :3
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    this quote + the fact you have a personal pet tank. money comes in boat loads at low levels.

    There are better choices if you want to make money.... The key word is merchandizing....

    if you looking at making money from grinding, than venos are not the best choice either. They are the best solo class, since it can do more content solo than other classes, but that does not mean they are faster at grinding, which they are not. Veno's shine on being able to tank bosses.... other classes shine on killing and grinding much faster than venos.

    Also, the all heal by 50% is at leve 10 of the skill, I am sure a low level, like you are talking about, is not going to be getting anything like those values.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    think i'll just go for that guide... and if i see if isnt what i want then i'll remake my venom...
  • Vintersun - Sanctuary
    Vintersun - Sanctuary Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The tricky things with the builds is that everyone says different things, I ended up using the
    even level: 1 vit, 4 int
    odd level: 1 vit, 1 str, 3 int build
    and was told that it was the best pve build, but when you read on different threads you get all confused about whatever your build of choice is good or not.
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  • phantomstriker
    phantomstriker Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    yea and everyone has their own opinion which they think is best
  • Marista - Lost City
    Marista - Lost City Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    True, but it's easier and cheaper to switch to vit from pure than vice versa if you don't like the initial one. You just add vit instead of restatting or restarting. But yes, there's quite a difference of opinion on builds--I wish you luck on the one you chose, even if it's not one I personally care for.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    So, I heard HA veno is the way to go? :3
  • MagicVos - Heavens Tear
    MagicVos - Heavens Tear Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    well my opion is that hp is important too, if you dont put on vit you have low hp and die fast. you have to think about bosses that have AoE and hits you too ;)
  • Marista - Lost City
    Marista - Lost City Posts: 294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    HP isn't unimportant by any means, but there are a lot of ways to get HP that don't damage your magic attack as much--refines and shards and addons--and starting pure lets you get a feel for how much more HP you feel you, personally, need. I'm not pure build, I admit, but I'm not vit build either--I decided to cap my vit at 50 after playing for a while. I might restat some of that into magic, or I might add as bit more, depending on how I feel after I have decent refines on my TT90. Sure, you could start as vit and see if you want more damage, but reset notes aren't cheap. *shrug*
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    So, I heard HA veno is the way to go? :3
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Well, I've been doing 8/1/1 - 1vit, 4magic / 1str, 4magic

    Worked out fine for me. Veno's are pretty forgiving, really. As long as you put in at least 3 magic every level, and 1 str every other level, the rest can go pretty much anywhere.
    Though putting it into dex isn't advised. (What would that be? 6/1/3 - giving you +1 crit every 7 levels? OUCH, way to die quickly.)
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    @marista
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=c668644f49a16beb <- vit
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ec96a83d10a7b234 <- no vit

    vit does for a matter of fact have an impact on pdef, its not a misinforming of anything, the only thing pure mag has going for it is magic attack. its only other two higher qualities are insignificant (mdef/mp) and the slight loss is plenty worth it.

    you get LA like stats without throwing your m.atk and mdef out the window end game :o. sure LA has crit, but i find crit useless on a venomancer. we have pets for that.
  • Fatboykkb - Heavens Tear
    Fatboykkb - Heavens Tear Posts: 48 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    go pure mage which is 9 mage 1 str ill give you 10 reason why

    1.you kill monsters fast
    2.you kill monsters fast
    3.you kill monsters fast
    4.you kill monsters fast
    5.you kill monsters fast
    6.you kill people fast
    7.you kill people fast
    8.you kill people fast
    9.you kill people fast
    10.hey i said ill give 10 reasons now 10 different reasons and reason numbah 10 is because i said that "pure mage owns".
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    go pure mage which is 9 mage 1 str ill give you 10 reason why

    1.you kill monsters fast
    2.you kill monsters fast
    3.you kill monsters fast
    4.you kill monsters fast
    5.you kill monsters fast
    6.you kill people fast
    7.you kill people fast
    8.you kill people fast
    9.you kill people fast
    10.hey i said ill give 10 reasons now 10 different reasons and reason numbah 10 is because i said that "pure mage owns".
    slap yourself, please :).
  • Alphae - Lost City
    Alphae - Lost City Posts: 1,512 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I have 123 vit with equips and there are indeed pros and cons.

    I survive a lot longer without healing than pure arcanes of my level under the same aoes for instance, and I almost never pull agro from my herc when grinding, which I understand is an issue for pure arcane venos my level... but I don't know because I've been heavy vit since 50 xD I have great HP regen even in combat.

    On the other hand, yes I do have a noticably lower attack. However I don't PvP as a rule and in squad I am perfectly happy being a debuffing-chi building-spark passing maniac, but not everyone is--and there are many foxes that want to PvP and a higher mag attack would be more beneficial there seeing as how we're not exactly a DD class to begin with <_< I also do occasionally have to have help healing, but often it is just a matter of not being able to solo heal through a boss until a couple of levels after my pure veno counterparts.

    It's really your playstyle--I've always played classes defensive, so for instance I always get so nervous playing my psy because she's pure and each hit nabs like... 1/3 of her HP <_< Venos are REALLY flexible though, so if you enjoy playing an offensive class, venos can be adapted to that role as easily as they can to the defensive role.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]