about bh

DrunkWizard - Lost City · January 2010

Please give us back the chance to get 2 bhs on same day b:cry takes so long to lv with only one run per day >_>

Barbariankev - Heavens Tear · January 2010

it was a bug so this is a pointless QQ thread
and alot off people lvled without any bh for a loooong time

Rheth - Sanctuary · January 2010

Barbariankev - Heavens Tear wrote: »

it was a bug so this is a pointless QQ thread
and alot off people lvled without any bh for a loooong time

Amen to that brother! Being dependent on bh is *cough* noobish b:shutup grid your damn levels, not that hard for your class. hell, you have CS and WQ that is 250k xp a day [for me at least], hell go get married, those bring in NICE xp, more than any bh. I be getting almost 200k xp from that DAILY. Last one was 175k xp, more than bh. ;D

Gandora - Harshlands · January 2010

Some of us never got the chance to do two BHs a day. Dont you think there are too many people lvling to quickly? I found a assassin that lvled to 80+ in just 2 weeks. There was a time where there was no BHs at all. Grind, do crazy stones, WQ, look for FBs, or make a TB alt and play until the next day.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · January 2010

Grinding levels teaches you very little too. Click, hit till dead, heal, click, hit till dead, heal, click....and so on.... several thousand times, doesn't make you experienced. BH on the other hand teaches you squad and team based skills, working with a variety of different characters and situations. So to be completely honest, bh is probably better for learning than just grinding.

And they didn't "fix" it. The issue here is they've started giving the same bh twice in a row over and over... For example, pyro and stygean bh's are extremely rare on my 2 chars, but I get spammed to bits with repeated qianji and polearm. There's no real randomness between the 3 (or more/less) options, some bh's pop up more than others resulting in the same over and over rather a lot.

Aadi - Lost City · January 2010

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Grinding levels teaches you very little too. Click, hit till dead, heal, click, hit till dead, heal, click....and so on.... several thousand times, doesn't make you experienced. BH on the other hand teaches you squad and team based skills, working with a variety of different characters and situations. So to be completely honest, bh is probably better for learning than just grinding.

And they didn't "fix" it. The issue here is they've started giving the same bh twice in a row over and over... For example, pyro and stygean bh's are extremely rare on my 2 chars, but I get spammed to bits with repeated qianji and polearm. There's no real randomness between the 3 (or more/less) options, some bh's pop up more than others resulting in the same over and over rather a lot.

I started recording what BHs I get every day because I noticed that b:chuckle I don't have enough data to have accurate statistics yet though.

Rheth - Sanctuary · January 2010

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Grinding levels teaches you very little too. Click, hit till dead, heal, click, hit till dead, heal, click....and so on.... several thousand times, doesn't make you experienced. BH on the other hand teaches you squad and team based skills, working with a variety of different characters and situations. So to be completely honest, bh is probably better for learning than just grinding.

I think if some one in there lvl 70's doesnt have a good skill base for parties they should just quit the game. Every class has their own abilities NOT hard to learn them, being in a party for instants should be second nature by now.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Gandora - Harshlands wrote: »

Some of us never got the chance to do two BHs a day. Dont you think there are too many people lvling to quickly? I found a assassin that lvled to 80+ in just 2 weeks. There was a time where there was no BHs at all. Grind, do crazy stones, WQ, look for FBs, or make a TB alt and play until the next day.

I agree 100%. While I do like BH, I am one of those who only ever got one a day, and it was a bit annoying seeing so many other people levelling so fast because of getting two. I honestly think that the BHs for the lower levels (40-70 at least) are ridiculous; my barb levelled through those levels so fast I had too many quests for my list until I stopped BHs. They should really just be for higher levels, or at least the lower level ones should give less exp.

And one a day is better than none. So quit complaining.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · January 2010

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think if some one in there lvl 70's doesnt have a good skill base for parties they should just quit the game. Every class has their own abilities NOT hard to learn them, being in a party for instants should be second nature by now.

You'd be surprised. Grinding is solo. Instances are team based. You could be the best at grinding and solo'ing mobs and still fail completely in a squad. Bramble on the cleric, constantly stealing agro, certain support skills not leveled, no agro holding capability, panicing when the squad is ambushed by mobs or in danger.

Personally I'd be happy if they removed WQ and maybe even CS instead. WQ levels you without any skill learning whatsoever. CS is just a coin sink, but a wine-selling NPC would fix that, as well as remove inflation on mat prices.

Rheth - Sanctuary · January 2010

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

You'd be surprised. Grinding is solo. Instances are team based. You could be the best at grinding and solo'ing mobs and still fail completely in a squad. Bramble on the cleric, constantly stealing agro, certain support skills not leveled, no agro holding capability, panicing when the squad is ambushed by mobs or in danger.

Personally I'd be happy if they removed WQ and maybe even CS instead. WQ levels you without any skill learning whatsoever. CS is just a coin sink, but a wine-selling NPC would fix that, as well as remove inflation on mat prices.

Not knowing what skills you need for your class and not having the right ones is just fail. By 60 you can start TT, by 60 you would of been ran through 5 fbs, you learn from that, and most of the time higher levels run the bh 29. Its not that damn hard to learn your "party skillz"

Absoluth - Heavens Tear · January 2010

BH is working as it should be now. 1 BH a day. You should be complaining about **** they dont fix, not the ones they do.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · January 2010

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not knowing what skills you need for your class and not having the right ones is just fail. By 60 you can start TT, by 60 you would of been ran through 5 fbs, you learn from that, and most of the time higher levels run the bh 29. Its not that damn hard to learn your "party skillz"

Then what the damn hell are you whining about -.-

Depending on bh is "noobish"? Why? If you only need "5 fb's and a TT" to teach you everything you need to know in the game, then whats wrong with using bh to level as fast as possible?

Do you even know what you're talking about? If you think I depended on bh, no. I didn't get to BH until late 7x on this char, and I'm very rarely up early enough to get 2 a day. I just think the quest is a lot less "nooby" than flapping around NPC's doing WQ or talking to a few shop keepers for your CS.

Rheth - Sanctuary · January 2010

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Then what the damn hell are you whining about -.-
Depending on bh is "noobish"? Why? If you only need "5 fb's and a TT" to teach you everything you need to know in the game, then whats wrong with using bh to level as fast as possible?

Do you even know what you're talking about? If you think I depended on bh, no. I didn't get to BH until late 7x on this char, and I'm very rarely up early enough to get 2 a day. I just think the quest is a lot less "nooby" than flapping around NPC's doing WQ or talking to a few shop keepers for your CS.

Not whining, just disagreeing with how "bh teaches you skills" Dont think that 2 bhs would be right, you would lvl every 3 days and whats the point of that? there's not one >_>

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · January 2010

At midnight, when BH resets, you can pick up a new one, but the quest itself doesn't change until sometime later (24 hours since maintenance/last change? Dunno) and if it changes, then you can pick up a second.

Skybelle - Sanctuary · January 2010

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not whining, just disagreeing with how "bh teaches you skills" Dont think that 2 bhs would be right, you would lvl every 3 days and whats the point of that? there's not one >_>

BH does teaches you skills, as a cleric at least. I learned when to heal and when not to heal your tank. You learn the cases you need to put BB up.

Archers/Wizards will learn not to pull aggro from tanks and minimize their damage dealing as much as possible.

Barbs will learn how to tank properly?

And as mentioned, it's much better to do BH rather than fly around or pay coins to buy shards to give to an NPC...since you learn something.

...what's not to learn from BH? b:surrender

Waterfal - Sanctuary · January 2010

I personally think bh is a good daily, I don't care if it's 2 or 1 a day... I only do two if I have fushma and wyvern both anyway.
for veno's there's a disadvantage though...
I mean.. I've never met so many lvl 40+ veno's with underlvld pets... including myself for a while.

sure, it's good to learn what to do in different situations with different squads.
but one a day is enough imo.

Themax - Heavens Tear · January 2010

BH does not exist anymore , it is TH now , keep up with the acronyms. b:victory

_MonoxidE_ - Sanctuary · January 2010

Skybelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

BH does teaches you skills,

Archers/Wizards will learn not to pull aggro from tanks and minimize their damage dealing as much as possible.

I was in a bh squad with a lv80 barb, a few other lv78-79 veno,cleric and bm.
I would fire a couple shots, pause fire a couple, pause etc. If I crit 3 in a row I stop and make sure the tank keeps aggro. Ive had a few squads ask me why I kept stopping. Some were nice about it, some werent. I tried to explain how I was avoiding stealing aggro and got called a noob for it. Some squads have said things like "come on noob, fight dont just stand there". So I fire 1 shot, steal aggro and then got yelled at for it after I told everyone what would happen. Im currently lv76 pure dex archer. My gears give me an extra 45 dex. I steal aggro from lv80 barbs easily and now refuse to squad with any tanks below 84-85.

Themax - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Absoluth - Heavens Tear wrote: »

BH is working as it should be now. 1 BH a day. You should be complaining about **** they dont fix, not the ones they do.

Somehow they fix whatever works for the advantage of the player, "bugs" that really make your life miserable in PWI and prevent you from having pleasant in-game experience , stay unfixed FOR YEARS.

I think that one TH a day is enough.

I'm just saying in general ...

Desmerelda - Lost City · January 2010

The worst thing about BH is the lowbies asking, begging then demanding that you help them kill Trioc. Like I have nothing better to do than waste an hour running through fb39 waiting for cleric to catch back up because they died when some idiot wizard decides to aoe the boss before the mobs are cleared or a barb decides to aggro all of the exploding mobs at once.. Bh is fine but come on guys its not the only way to level and find squads your level instead of expecting us higher levels to do it all for ya. I get approx 100 exp from the whole run and only need 13 mill to level.

Foltern - Sanctuary · January 2010

DrunkWizard - Lost City wrote: »

Please give us back the chance to get 2 bhs on same day b:cry takes so long to lv with only one run per day >_>

I prefer having the option of doing 2 per day.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

You'd be surprised. Grinding is solo. Instances are team based. You could be the best at grinding and solo'ing mobs and still fail completely in a squad. Bramble on the cleric, constantly stealing agro, certain support skills not leveled, no agro holding capability, panicing when the squad is ambushed by mobs or in danger.

Personally I'd be happy if they removed WQ. WQ levels you without any skill learning whatsoever.

Agree.

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Grinding levels teaches you very little too. Click, hit till dead, heal, click, hit till dead, heal, click....and so on.... several thousand times, doesn't make you experienced. BH on the other hand teaches you squad and team based skills, working with a variety of different characters and situations. So to be completely honest, bh is probably better for learning than just grinding.

Agree.

Rheth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Not whining, just disagreeing with how "bh teaches you skills"

Disagree. I am both an Archer and retired healer. I am a solo player until the game forces me to squad. Solo play and strategies to win are very different than squad play. I learned a lot about the skills of each class and how best to use my own in squads through BH.

I feel It is helpful to obtain these skills so that it can help players be successful in other team based quests. Additionally I feel there is a variety of helpful reasons to do multiple BH runs outside of learning how to play effectively in a squad.

I always liked doing Bounty Hunter because in the regular open world I always solo, but it's usually necessary to get in a squad to complete the quest and that is where I learned the majority of my team skills on both my Archer and healer.

Regards

Murloc/ - Heavens Tear45 · January 2010

Why the hell would anyone really need 2x BH / TH / Whatever a day? With the Tideborn Medal quests at 40 all giving somewhere between 50k - 200k exp each, the continuation of those at 51 giving more and more exp, and then Public Quests at 60~ that you can repeat all day if you want... seriously... it's gotten too easy!

For example:

My 1st character was a BM. It took me 2-3 months to get him to lvl 60 because of all the grinding I had to do. Being overjoyed when I actuially had a quest to do.

My 2nd Character was a veno, I made her after BH's were released, and found it almost too easy to level sicne it took a ton of the work out of grinding. For the first time, I didn't see myself spending money on exp scrolls or trying to zhen.

Now that I've made this assassin, he's 61, has 16/20 quests in his log, and about 30+ in his Find Quest log that still need done.

I'm glad that there is only 1 BH / TH a day now. It's already too easy to level, and it doesn't need to be any easier. >.<

Olba - Sanctuary · January 2010

Murloc/ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why the hell would anyone really need 2x BH / TH / Whatever a day? With the Tideborn Medal quests at 40 all giving somewhere between 50k - 200k exp each, the continuation of those at 51 giving more and more exp, and then Public Quests at 60~ that you can repeat all day if you want... seriously... it's gotten too easy!

For example:

My 1st character was a BM. It took me 2-3 months to get him to lvl 60 because of all the grinding I had to do. Being overjoyed when I actuially had a quest to do.

My 2nd Character was a veno, I made her after BH's were released, and found it almost too easy to level sicne it took a ton of the work out of grinding. For the first time, I didn't see myself spending money on exp scrolls or trying to zhen.

Now that I've made this assassin, he's 61, has 16/20 quests in his log, and about 30+ in his Find Quest log that still need done.

I'm glad that there is only 1 BH / TH a day now. It's already too easy to level, and it doesn't need to be any easier. >.<

The thing is, there is no public quest at 81-94.

Also, the exp gets really pathetic. For example, I need 5.4 million exp for 84, but I get 191k from CS, 200k from WQ and 200k from BH. That's 591k a day, so 10 days full of dailies. Doesn't sound so bad, but when you think of the costs, it gets mean: CS is 71,550 every day, BH is anything between 60k and 80k, so that's 130-150k a day, or 1.3-1.5 million per that one level.

The thing is, the costs are so large, that I personally don't do CS anymore and only do BH whenever I get 2 BHs in the same instance.

Not to mention that most quests give out pathetic exp, such as 50k for killing 80 mobs.

As for stuff like RBs, they cost a ****load. Unless you have experience, no one is willing to take you unless you have 2 Gold or Platinum Charms, which puts the costs up to almost 3 million coins.

Marista - Lost City · January 2010

That quest? It was... oh, maybe 50% of one level. A nice little bonus, but hardly a replacement for that much. And yes, no public quest for 8x. At this point, I have been taking around a week per level, and to be honest, it gets really boring. So I've been taking double BHs when I can, because doing dailies and grinding through 8x up to now hasn't been fun, and I don't see why doing the rest of 8x would be. And I can't afford to oracle nor do I have the time to rebirth, even if every squad I've seen wasn't demanding "pro" players. I want to get to 9x and enjoy 9x PvP and bound gear that I won't be losing the resale value on by binding. That is when things will be fun--slogging through is slow enough as it is, and double BH is one of the few things that really can--or could?--help.

hemoglobin · January 2010

there Is Something Called Grinding And Quests You Know

Marista - Lost City · January 2010

Hm. Quests. Oh, you mean those things that give you... maybe 400k total, if you're luck, per level? Yes, those are wonderfully helpful. And grinding is completely inefficient--and more importantly, boring. If someone's playing a game, one can assume they're doing it to have fun, not be bored. A decent amount of grinding doesn't bother me--in fact, as a veno, I'm required to do a certain amount just to keep my pets caught up--but to do enough to make any significant %, I'd have to spend far more time than would be enjoyable. Since I'm trying to maximize my enjoyment... well, that doesn't make sense. If it was inefficient and fun--like if frost still worked and one could farm gear and while getting the good exp in there? Sure, it'd make sense then, but it isn't.

Nelae - Heavens Tear · January 2010

hemoglobin wrote: »

there Is Something Called Grinding And Quests You Know

That will give u like wut 5% exp if u do all your quests at my level...
And grinding? If I AoE grind, i can prolly make 200k exp (prolly less) in 2h. And this is not cheap, and if i lag just a bit, i am dead, good by hard work...

On other hand, bh's are fun, easy to do with squads and peeps that know what to do. Oh and really fast, which makes room for farming TT's for gear and ect cause some of us dont have time to play all day (except on holidays)

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