Archers, aggro, and you

TidalShrike - Harshlands
TidalShrike - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Archer
Yes, I'm posting this from my 'Sin lol.

My one observation having leveled an archer to 75 is that they need some way (other than death) to drop a little of the ungodly aggro you build against bosses even using simple auto attacks. Fix that and I can live with the rest lol
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  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Its actually simple. Relog midbtl and get squadded back.
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  • Veronica_ - Heavens Tear
    Veronica_ - Heavens Tear Posts: 157 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    aggro stealing ?
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    TidalShrike - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yes, I'm posting this from my 'Sin lol.

    My one observation having leveled an archer to 75 is that they need some way (other than death) to drop a little of the ungodly aggro you build against bosses even using simple auto attacks. Fix that and I can live with the rest lol

    like what thou lol
    do you want to give the boss a flower or something rofl
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You can... stop attacking.

    I know, it's apparently very difficult. But you can do it. You hit Esc or step to the side or click to the side or do SOMETHING to stop attacking. Then you wait a bit. And then your aggro-over-time is reduced.

    It's an amazing yet simple technique that very few archers utilize. Sort of like drinking water to quench your thirst, which gets overlooked, b/c everybody prefers juice or tea or coffee or lattes or something like that.
  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Space out attacks, take off your rings.

    /thread
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  • ChaoticTears - Harshlands
    ChaoticTears - Harshlands Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Aadi - Lost City wrote: »
    Space out attacks, take off your rings.

    /thread

    And unequip the instance blessing if you have one.
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  • Nifsara - Lost City
    Nifsara - Lost City Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Duh! archers are distance fighters stay back and let barbs/blades do their job and provide assistance from afar. b:chuckle
    TidalShrike - Harshlands wrote: »
    Yes, I'm posting this from my 'Sin lol.

    My one observation having leveled an archer to 75 is that they need some way (other than death) to drop a little of the ungodly aggro you build against bosses even using simple auto attacks. Fix that and I can live with the rest lol
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  • Narukanikahn - Harshlands
    Narukanikahn - Harshlands Posts: 63 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    why lose aggro? lol im a pure dex build with 7.6K hp >:D
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  • TidalShrike - Harshlands
    TidalShrike - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Yeah...I think the point was missed with most of the posts...sure I'm pretty well aware I can stand around with my thumb up my tail waiting for aggro to go away so I can attack again, but it isn't terribly efficient is it? Nor is the "one...mississippi...shoot...two...mississippi...shoot..." option. I was looking for something along the lines of abilities I've seen in other mmo's for archer type classes to dump a little threat in a hurry...just seems horridly inefficient to have a great dps class that you're unable to safely do great dps with...

    but...back to the flaming...
  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    ...You call that flaming? Are you serious? People are too sensitive these days...
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  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ...You call that flaming? Are you serious? People are too sensitive these days...
    Yea, lol. Too many emo kids these days ^^
    (now thats flame ;P)
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  • Buttworm - Dreamweaver
    Buttworm - Dreamweaver Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Hit Winged Shell once you take aggro, it will automatically stop your attack and give you some phys defense, meanwhile you will lose aggro and after some seconds you can switch weapon with less damage and resume your dps more safely.
    But if archer can tank that boss(in case there's a cleric in your squad) - let archer do it, that way boss will die much faster and no sudden aggro switching/fail barb and etc.
  • System
    System Posts: 316 mod
    edited January 2010
    How hard is it to just STOP ATTACKING?


    I usually dont attack until the boss has 70% health.
  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Aadi - Lost City wrote: »
    Space out attacks, take off your rings.

    /thread

    And blessing, and that will usually sort your problem.

    Seriously, you don't HAVE to attack at full power. I've had such a hard time explaining that to players even weaker than me, spamming skills and sparking in full gear... completely ignoring my repeated "take off ring/blessing" comments, spamming chat with "I'm too strong D:" "I hit too hard, I can't help it!!"

    I actually believe, deep down it's a matter of vain "pride". Players are actually proud they hit hard enough to rob agro. If the cleric successfully saves them, they'll hold that agro at all costs and try to become tank. Some players will actually have this strange idea that if they aren't robbing agro everyone will see them as weak, so taking off rings is unthinkable. Unbelievable yes, but you'd be surprised. :/
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I actually believe, deep down it's a matter of vain "pride". Players are actually proud they hit hard enough to rob agro. If the cleric successfully saves them, they'll hold that agro at all costs and try to become tank. Some players will actually have this strange idea that if they aren't robbing agro everyone will see them as weak, so taking off rings is unthinkable. Unbelievable yes, but you'd be surprised. :/

    Yes, it is pride, and no, it's not that deep.
  • TidalShrike - Harshlands
    TidalShrike - Harshlands Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lol I like how everyone who speaks out is an "emo kid" - I won't even honor that with any more of a response. Perhaps flames was a tad strong but honestly, when the quality of the responses is in a nutshell "you're dumb stop attacking..." you've missed the point and simply tossed out an insulting answer to an honest question. I rarely if ever get to actually go all out on my archer, and 9/10 times simply autoattack through boss fights, and still can get aggro rather often...too often for comfort and this was the purpose for the post originally. Yes, there does exist the issue with barbs wanting to be dps chars and not having enough in pure tanking skills, but even so the aggro for archers (and perhaps wizards as well) might still be in need of help with a "drop" ability that could be used every so often.

    I wont disagree with the above statement about players who pride themselves in taking aggro - I've seen it far too often myself, but that's not at all the point I was trying to address. Even holding back, and waiting a while to start your dps, you still have a really high chance of aggroing, and once you do yes you can go "oh **** winged shell" and stop attacks, which I've done quite often (as luck would have it I havent been posting this from an idiotic "lemme do max dps with no penalty" perspective) - but it just seemed that another option might be in order to allow archers a little more of a margin is all...even if it were along the lines of an ability we had in Lineage 2 called ultimate evasion which gave you a super dodge buff similar to what 'sins now have which let you give the tank a chance to take back aggro a little more safely.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    TidalShrike - Harshlands wrote: »
    ...even if it were along the lines of an ability we had in Lineage 2 called ultimate evasion which gave you a super dodge buff similar to what 'sins now have which let you give the tank a chance to take back aggro a little more safely.

    At level 79, you can get a skill called Blessing of the Condor which multiplies your Evasion by 1000 for 6 seconds.

    Unfortunately, it has no effect against magic monsters.
  • DrkLordZ - Sanctuary
    DrkLordZ - Sanctuary Posts: 297 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Demon Archer for pvp, Sage archer for Tank :)
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  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    There's also Winged Shell, which will stop 1-2 hits, and Wings of Grace, which will stop 1. Then you can single-spark to stop another one. If your tank STILL hasn't gotten aggro back under control... b:surrender
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Demon Archer for pvp, Sage archer for Tank :)
    archers dont tank #1, #2 sage fails.

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