Elemental and Dimension Seal

Mericre - Harshlands · December 2009

Any experienced clerics out there wants to tell me what are the use of this two spells?

I know elemental seal reduced your magic defense and your enemy's magic defense as well, and I currently have this spell at Level 1, but what's the point using this if your own defense is reduced with same amount of your enemy?

The same thing on Dimension Seal

Sorry with all the newbie question

EDIT:
I will be turning level 30 soon and I want to ask some of those clerics in PVP server if I should level up until 40 to playerkill or do it some other level

Nelae - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Since you are on PvP server, it has BIG use. You will use them to deal extra dmg vs your opponent. And later on in levels you will use it to keep a boss debuffed for a faster kill.

Mericre - Harshlands · December 2009

So I guess level up a bit to level 40+ until I can pk, but it's going to be hard doing level 30 quest with Pker around the map hunting for low levels like me

Any place to avoid where a lot of playerkilling might be taking place?

Nelae - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Mericre - Harshlands wrote: »

So I guess level up a bit to level 40+ until I can pk, but it's going to be hard doing level 30 quest with Pker around the map hunting for low levels like me

Any place to avoid where a lot of playerkilling might be taking place?

Reroll to PvE server?

Aydamn - Lost City · December 2009

Elemental Seal and Dimensional Seal are ridiculously useful in HH and the like, speeds bosses up a tonne. Also incredibly useful in pvp, especially when combined with other amps

Ulina - Lost City · December 2009

yes they are usefull for pvp and pve
for pve you can debuff a boss for a faster kill which is very usefull
in pvp you use it against certain builds, say you a pvping a BM you would cast elemental seal on them to lower their mag def and since they only do phys dmg it doesnt make a difference for you. so using the right debuff can prove helpfull.

Aadi - Lost City · December 2009

Mericre - Harshlands wrote: »

So I guess level up a bit to level 40+ until I can pk, but it's going to be hard doing level 30 quest with Pker around the map hunting for low levels like me

Any place to avoid where a lot of playerkilling might be taking place?

Because Secret Passage and Heaven's Tear are now "safe zones", the worst place for low level white names is outside West Gate (of course) and Orchid Temple.

You can't completely avoid PK of course, but you can alleviate some of the pain by fighting mobs near a town so you don't have to run back, finding areas that PKers don't normally stay at, and not afking outside of safe zone or spending more time out than you really need to.

Remember, if you're really in trouble, elevation is your friend to get away from a PKer that's camping the safe zone for lowbies. b:chuckle

Skybelle - Sanctuary · December 2009

To be honest, level both as to how useful you find them. I personally use Elemental Seal more than Dimensional Seal. Although if I'm in a squad and healing them, I pop in a Dimensional Seal in case they do physical damage.

RedsRose - Lost City · December 2009

Aydamn - Lost City wrote: »

Elemental Seal and Dimensional Seal are ridiculously useful in HH and the like, speeds bosses up a tonne. Also incredibly useful in pvp, especially when combined with other amps

^ This ^

Just always remember to Purify yourself at the first opportunity afterwords.

I personally did not level them beyond level 4/5 until much higher levels since I wanted to concentrate more on my main healing and attack skills.

As far as PK....it is not as bad as it seems. My Psychic has been pk'ed maybe 3-4 times and is now level 65. You get through it and best you do not lose experience. There will be campers, but there is a point to which that can be a griefable offense.

Skybelle - Sanctuary · December 2009

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

^ This ^

Just always remember to Purify yourself at the first opportunity afterwords.

I personally did not level them beyond level 4/5 until much higher levels since I wanted to concentrate more on my main healing and attack skills.

As far as PK....it is not as bad as it seems. My Psychic has been pk'ed maybe 3-4 times and is now level 65. You get through it and best you do not lose experience. There will be campers, but there is a point to which that can be a griefable offense.

...or going on your main and ...ZZZAP them with Wield Thunder. b:shocked

ewingoil · December 2009

Which is better to lvl up first elemental or dimensional?

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2009

depends, if for pk then both

however, i wud choose magic debuff first coz:

-is it 2x more cheaper

-u ll use it in parties all the time (barbs and venos have p.def debuff better or almost same like urs, but no m.def debuff)

ewingoil · December 2009

I was thinking of elemental at later lvls as to the more mag mobs or bosses you get in game.

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2009

later most mobs and bosses use both attacks: if u are close then phy and if in some range - magic

btw
if low mob use just melee it doesnt mean that phy debuff will be more effective. why do u think so?
im pretty sure that most mobs have 'balanced' def otherwise it wud give too much advantage for some classes (magic vs melee)

if u use elemental seal it will make ur cyclone hit harder
if dimensional - plume shot

btw metal mastery will also make cyclone stronger

but anyway,
im not sure if lvling any seal at lower lvls -just for quest mobs killing- has much sense

lack of sp wont let ya keep up to date even ur main/fav skills

Worship - Harshlands · December 2009

they are both useful, but i think its better to focus on leveling your attack spells first. Once your sleep holds long enough you can use these debuffs in "executions" b:victory

Nelae - Heavens Tear · December 2009

I really have to say again, that debuffing mobs is not worth it. They have low defense to start with b:surrender

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2009

not really.. their p.def is like squishy arcane's, and mag def like weak barb's

tbh u wont bother using seals on mobs not coz of their low def but coz u would kill them in 3-5 shots anyway.. and u could simply shot mob once or twice while u channel seal

but, u will use seals on high hp mobs => TT mobs and bosses 60lvl+

Seiowan - Harshlands · December 2009

The big caveat with them is that they only reduce p.def/m.def by a percentage of YOUR equipment. In short, if you have lousy defense (such as arcane) you won't make much of a dent in a barbarians heavy armor. On the other hand, arcane clerics can greatly reduce their magical resistance giving them a superior edge when it comes to wield thunder and the like.

Unfortunately, light armor clerics like myself don't get much of a reduction on either. It's still a useful skill with enough levels, but it's unlikely to get the 'wow' factor of an arcane clerics' magical defense reduction.

Newyn - Heavens Tear · December 2009

It reduce % of the targets def not urs and u lose % of ure Def.

Seiowan - Harshlands · December 2009

Really? In that case I retract my previous statement. The wording on the spell makes it sound like it's based on your defense though.

SilverCleric - Lost City · December 2009

Out of all the info I read these two skills seem good to lvl.

But, are these skills worth lvling to max or should be lvled to a certain lvl than stopped, because I still have these skills at 1 and I just want to make sure if they are worth lvling to max or even a high lvl. b:pleased

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · December 2009

for pk purposes - both
for pve
elemental seal for sure if u plan to spend lotta of ur toon life in dungeons

dimiensional too.. but there is no rush.. u will use it if there is no veno in team, which wont happen so often after all

anyway.. just remember that there are still more important skills to lvl up at ur lvl

Ulina - Lost City · December 2009

SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »

Out of all the info I read these two skills seem good to lvl.

But, are these skills worth lvling to max or should be lvled to a certain lvl than stopped, because I still have these skills at 1 and I just want to make sure if they are worth lvling to max or even a high lvl. b:pleased

you should get it no matter what
but dont lvl it unless you are serious about pvp
otherwise getting your support skills will benefit your squad more
its just how you play your character
i have mines at lvl 1 just because im a support cleric

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · December 2009

Mine are at lvl 3 and I would probably lvl them later on.

Nelae - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »

tbh u wont bother using seals on mobs not coz of their low def but coz u would kill them in 3-5 shots anyway.. and u could simply shot mob once or twice while u channel seal

Yeah say that to the FAC community b:chuckle, somehow getting 200-300 more dmg (at best) is worth for them

Telarith - Sanctuary · December 2009

FACs shouldn't need to waste their time using these debuffs on normal mobs; they can kill them before being hit just using plumeshot and cyclone. It's the beauty of being full mag that allows that. It's mostly used for pvp, to add some extra damage in trying to spike someone for 50-60% of their health to kill them after they've been slept. Any FAC who needs to debuff a normal mob to kill in PvE truly has no clue what they are doing.

EDIT: Though it is weird to see another person making the mistake of thinking it debuffs off of the caster's defense again, been a good many months since the last one made that mistake. It applies a straight 30% (maxed) reduction on each person's defense. There isn't any cross-over between them, they just each lose 30% of their own defense. Always seemed straight-forward to me.

_xXRoXaSXx_ - Heavens Tear · January 2010

Maxed Dimension Seal + Maxed Tangling Mire Genie Skill with a lot of point into STR + Phsyical DDs and DPS = Phsyical ATK execution b:victory what a way to go for a boss

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · January 2010

which may be sad if all those buffs +dd buffs overwrite =3

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