KS (kill steal) issue

No.

I can already imagine how some people would use that.

Example: Oracles. Your suggestion would mean that I wouldn't NEED to kill the nasty buggers. I only needed to wait until someone else was coming to do it and shoot it once before the other player gets to it.

How about just making a single combat way?

LillyLane - Sanctuary wrote: »

how about people just squad up together instead of being selfish jerks on the field all the time... whining about how they need full xp. Blah.

getting that frustration out is all ^^

At a low level, it's better NOT to squad. You get a good amount of your exp from the mob kills, and cutting that down by squadding hurts you a lot and requires you to grind for exp later in the level when you run out of quests because you partied to get your quests done faster. It's not "selfish", it's good sense.

On topic: This would make it very hard for melee classes. If the character is running towards the mobs, and a ranged class hits it first, the melee can always fight for the kill. I'm ranged, and if I see someone else hitting it that I realized after I cast my spell had been running towards it, I back off and let them have the kill. This would make it harder for them, not easier.

I really think that this is a serious subject that should be more exactly examined by the GMs!
There are really many classes, who are in this reference point absolutely inferior: Barbs or Blademasters have in they defensive character construction absolutely no chance compared with Archern or Assasins. I THINK THAT IT MUST BE FINALLY, NEVERTHELESS CHANGED! The one, who has landed the first hit, should also belong the mob! THIS IS A DIRECT CALL TO A GM! Please, around answer!

ladyamen wrote: »

I really think that this is a serious subject that should be more exactly examined by the GMs!
There are really many classes, who are in this reference point, are absolutely inferior: Barbs or Blademasters have in they defensive character construction absolutely no chance compared with Archern or Assasins. I THINK THAT IT MUST BE FINALLY, NEVERTHELESS CHANGED! The one, who has landed the first hit, should also belong the mob! THIS IS A DIRECT CALL TO A GM! Please, around answer!

Umm...a Blademaster or Barb should easily be able to take aggro from an assassin. Those little squishy things can't hold aggro to save their lives. Heck, my weakest pet can still take aggro away from a similar level assassin, even one who's going full out with skills. Heck, a barb who can't keep people from stealing their kills isn't a barb I want to be around. Kill credit is based on aggro, which is what barbs are wonderful at keeping. Not overall damage, so a barb can avoid kill stealers unless they are MUCH higher leveled.

First hit getting the credit? Bad idea. A horrible one, actually, as mages and archers could potentially lock the melee classes down for the rest of the game. I could go grief the lowbies, just by spamming my AoEs until they all ragequit. Fight for the aggro, not get it handed to you. Either that or just go start a squad.

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

Actually wrong. It's based on damage. A barb might be able to hold aggro with their skills, but unless they do 50% of the damage they don't get the kill.

Hm...Always thought it was determined by aggro. My mistake. I've never really come across somebody trying to steal my kills, so I didn't really know. Sorry if I mislead anyone.

What about this: The person who deals the highest amount of damage gets the exp and whatnot. If by some stroke of luck they both deal the same amount it will then be distributed to the first to attack it.

just a suggestion...

ksing can be a tad annoying at times. expecally during mob killing events like the snowman event and wraith attacks. there are 2 ways i can think of to combat this.

1. once a mob is targeted it can't be targeted by another.

2. in area where there are high concentrations of players and too few mob, add more mobs! in my time at pw i find that only 2 places fit this idea. that's broken row bluff, for the wolfkins and and what not. and tusk town, where the mobs are few and worst yet, are scattered over a wide area. (this does NOT include oricale mobs lord knows the hell that would ensure if that was the case)


but hey be thankful, i've played mmos where the one who gets te last hit in gets the kill. THAT would be a pain.


it should be noted that most people don't ks intentionally. ranged damage dealers, due to there charging or them just being out of sight, tend to be called ksers when in reality they most likely had the mob targeted and setting up to attack it before you even noticed it. it's happened to me several times on my archer. i'm about to kill a mob and some barb or bm starts attacking it. when my skill is released it crit hits and does over 50% damage. which sometimes results in said melee character whispering me ranting about me ksing them.

ksing is indeed annoying especially during wraith attacks. sure it's a free for all event, but still it's just not right for a level 70+ character to pop up in a level 40 wraith attack and take all the kills. the lower level players, who if they are anything like me when i first came here, would be lookinf forward to the drops so they can make some cash. even when given event for them the high levels still go to the lower level areas like during a wratih attack on archo. high levels flooded the low level area while the high level areas had very few people there. THAT in my eyes is true ksing the free for all rule on that event be damned. lol altho most of you would disagree with me on that one b:laugh

How about this: As soon as you start channeling an attack on an untouched mob, it becomes unselectable to anyone outside your squad. As soon as that attack is either cast or cancelled, the mob becomes selectable again.

So if two players both target a mob and try to attack it, first to start channeling (or start a normal attack) will succeed, other will automatically unselect the mob (which would stop any attack they had queue up). Nothing would stop them from reselecting it (after the first players initial attack) and intentionally trying to KS, but it should eliminate accidental KS'ing. At the same time, you can't tag a mob and hold it 'ransom', since it's only unselectable while you're making your first attack.

IMO the system in place is the most fair honestly, whoever does the most damage gets the credit. That way basically whoever "killed" the monster the most gets the credit for killing, the exp is already somewhat divided when two people hit outside of squad.

Only during events is ksing even a problem, and isn't too bad as long as you just pay attention to your surroundings while selecting mobs.

As a wizard I always look to see if someone is running toward the mob I'm about to attack, if so I select a different one. The few times i have ks'd someone i just say "Sorry for ks" and move on. If they still have a problem after that, just blacklist them. Most people don't mind if you just say "Sorry."

The current system is the most fair and sensible option imo.

Ksing u can never stop most people are annoyed by this but u cant change the characteristic of the player just cause hes supposely ks'ing just something iv learned not 2 go near groups of peeps when doing quest.

anyone who thinks that the one who did most damage earns the kil even if someone else hitted it earlier
never played a low damage class and only cares for him/herself

i like the first hit deserves the kill if you can actually solo kill it
its different when someone mass aoes a rare quest mobs with very low damage though

and that system i described is stil giving the upper hand to ranged classes