Emberstorm is not so bad

So basically you charged up for 5 seconds to do a dreadful aoe that would tick your charm, do less damage than a dragons breath would (in 5 seconds of being cast), and make yourself look like a plonker for using the worst wizard skill in the game.

Ew.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

How it tick your charm if it take 60% of your HP? Also is not true, that is do less damage than dragons breath. Somebody is pretty noob here.

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Not worthy of my effort, have fun being bad.

Damaged - Lost City wrote: »

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Not worthy of my effort, have fun being bad.

Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have to apologize. It tick your charm. Because It take up to 60%. I don't' use charm so I don't have this problem. But you can prevent this, if you will not let it to be fully charged. You can trigger it anytime during charging.
I still think, that can be useful spell.

Meh, don't listen to him. I mean, of course he is right. But if you like it.. your fun. You should play your wizard how you like regardless of what other people say.

Damaged however is 100 % right, I would never spend ALL those coins and spirit on a spell that is semi/non usefull..

Learn it just to prove me wrong and be different, it may well be the best skill known to man

I call it the wizard's sacrificial assault. So you have a skill that does (arguably) a decent amount a damage. However, that 60% hp loss is not worth it. What if you're uncharmed without a cleric around and you try this?

I got the demon version (with stun) from those same pages. You should have seen how fast I traded that for another demon book.

I say get it and get us some feedback....call it a sacrfice for knowledge

emberstorm charges , it doesnt channel so demon spark wont make it any faster nor will sultra work on it b:laugh
but Yeah demon emberstorm can be awsum in pvp

I wonder how long must it take, untill someone else finally realises, that the devs simply made a mistake and forgot about our mana. Just think for a minute. It must be a bug right? It should work similar to bab's armageddon.

Now go and file a bug report. Don't hesitate

They wont read this Sammy lol, I learned this one but never used it, just learn for the heck of it.

We have 2 options. The description might be correct or not.

Hm wait a minute...
PWI description is nonsense (Oh, what a surprise b:shocked )

Lets look at the MY-EN one (taken from ecatomb, sage version)

Channels up to 3.2 seconds of energy and sacrificing 60% max
of oneself's life force, to cast a blood immolation explosion to inflict a 5000
of fire elemental damage to all the enemies around in 12 meter radius, for every immolated HP can be convert to a 4.0 point of extra damage.

Reduce 25% of HP loss.

I'm not a native speaker, so I don't know any better, but this english seems odd. Never mind, it makes more sense than PWI (Oh, what a surprise b:shocked ).

Now let's assume one has 6k HP (I'm generous I think)

So the raw damage according to the descriprion is 19400

If one has 6k HP I doubt he has less than 10k base magic attack and I'm less generous now. Assuming 500 mag we get the raw damage for other skills as follows

sage pyrogram 15286
sage DP 19903
sage SS 21560
sage Hailstorm 13160
sage DB 14800 per tick
sage WotP 17061
sage BT 19533 fire + 19533 physical

Hm in 4.2 seconds (3.2 s charge + 1 s cast) DB ticks twice

I don't know about TW. I guess there are times when one doesn't have a spark for DB, but bosses?

PrettySammy are You saying Your Emberstorm hits harder than Your SS and DP? All lvl 11? And the difference is worth Your HP?

Well if thats the case, the description is just like PWI descriptions (Hm, that's a surprise too) and we have to start form the beginning - that is form the quetion:

How the hell does this skill really work?

Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »

O.o

Your grammar walks busy there?

Anyways, cancelled emberstorm (if used properly) can save your hp.

You don't get the meme. Get out of my forums.

b:scorn

Pirodar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Assuming 500 mag we get the raw damage for other skills as follows

sage pyrogram 15286
sage DP 19903
sage SS 21560
sage Hailstorm 13160
sage DB 14800 per tick
sage WotP 17061
sage BT 19533 fire + 19533 physical

PrettySammy are You saying Your Emberstorm hits harder than Your SS and DP? All lvl 11? And the difference is worth Your HP?

Well if thats the case, the description is just like PWI descriptions (Hm, that's a surprise too) and we have to start form the beginning - that is form the quetion:

How the hell does this skill really work?

Ok first thing first, I'm with you 100% on the description, it was the main reason I didn't get this skill at first, secondly when I was in Regicide we tested this skill to destruction (prior to expansion) with pretty much every class.

Firstly lets get rid of some assumptions. Due to sheer cost of pretty much EVERYTHING on sanctuary I only have half of my sage skills. Secondly im lvl 100 and 505 mag.

ok undine strike works with all 3 elements, genie spark only works with FIRE so take all water and earth skill out of the equation.

Next I still delta and here unless your rich and have +8 armor and gems galore Sage Dragons Breath = DELTA BAN. So thats out, plus Dragons Breath in TW is really flashy and easy to spot, Emberstorm isn't.

OK so Im going to work off your figures for the skills

sage DP 19903
sage WotP 17061
sage BT 19533 fire + 19533 physical

However we can also remove will of the phoenix sage because for some reason tha book never comes out, don't ask me for details all i'm told is there is some glitch relating to it.

D Pyro Sage u could undine strike to debuff at long range but not short range for spark. Also the description says 300% weapon damage not basic magic like blade tempest and I can't say my Sage D Pyro goes above 18k too often unless I debuff

As for sage Blade Tempest, I'm not arguing there AT ALL, I have, sage Blade Tempest and my god it hits hard.

Say I have 6k HP Buffed (I actually have more these days) so:
6000 divide 10 is 600 (10%)
Times 6 is 3600 (60% - the damage Emberstorm Deals)
add to it the sage bonus of 5000
8600

ok compared to the figures you quoted it doesn't look great however I can get both Extreme Poison and Genie Spark off prior to cast to turn off the targets fire resistences.

The difference in PvP with this skill is most others you need to factor in the PvP ratio and then magic defences of the target. This however (once spark debuffed) in tested with a Barb and a BM (both 100) who had 16k HP and 11k respectively (I don't know their builds exactly) This skill did to both of them 8300 each. Thats raw HP gone. Both case would tick a chrm and say if barb is already under attack say at base HQ this is damn useful to get their HP down in 1 burst.

Now lets go back to what I said. Did I say it was the ultimate skill - no, did I say its better than other skills - NO. Did I say this is special skill for special occasions YES! I am also saying if you can't debuff a target first or haven't the chance too (cooldown) avoid anything more than a short burst to get the basic fire damage.

As for 2 spark nukes yeah they hit more, they are suppose to though, however do you always have 2 sparks ready? prolly not so you could cast Sage BT then hit up the Spark (genie) or US then Emberstorm.

Its just a case of learning its appropriate use.

OK Back to TW demon stun version OMG yes this work bloody brilliantly a friend has it and its ideal for distance shrinking into a group of charging barbs with cats and stopping them in their tracks.

Does this skill get you killed, *cough* erhm yeah, however if you have 2-4 BM's on your **** and are going to die anyway, why not try take some with you.

Also think of this. A wizards max magic once your hit say 100 is pretty much limited depending on say tome and build. The damage done restricted by weapon type, shards and refines. A wizard has plenty of places though where they can get more HP. I know of one wizard here with alost 16k HP with sage barb buff

their Sage / Demon emberstorm would do 14600 fire damage, with the debuffs in many cases this is either massive damage or a 1 hit kill depending on targets HP.

Anyhow thats my 2 cents, I still like this skill. I know others don't. I'm not here to convert people onto this skill just share my experiences of using it.

Well, I've been thinking about something, what kind of damage is "x Points per HP spent"? Physical? Magical? Piercing? Because if it's Piercing, it can be quite ownage in TT bosses, I'd say we do some tests