Are Assassins decent at PVP/PK?

sideshow50187
sideshow50187 Posts: 4 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Assassin
i love the thrill of battling other players, and usually like assassins in mmorpgs.

the one problem is that in some games, melee classess simply cant kill other players, due to other players being able to flee easily.

do assassins have any type of stun, root or slow?
do they have any type of movement speed buff?
i heard their cloak is a bit busted at low lvls, thats no problem.

do you think theres a better class built for attacking other players and surviving from angry guilds that want to chase you for such attacking?

thanks :)
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  • Limeball - Heavens Tear
    Limeball - Heavens Tear Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Pfft no assasins totally fail at pvp.

    Sarcasm aside, they don't call us assasins for no reason. Sleeps, stuns, phys aoe, stealth mode, high crit rate, high evasion, high damage per second thanks to have the saceond fastest attack rate and high physical damage. (Granted it's a dex build)

    All classes can pvp, in my opinion there's some better than others but people can argue otherwise.

    Venomancers= debuffers, pet users. (More of a pvp support really)
    Blademasters= Aoe stunners, high physical damage and survivability
    Wizards= Suck at lower levels but pull off some high numbers at 90+. Low defense.
    Archers= Suck at lower levels but pull off insane criticals at 90+. Think of assasin only ranged.
    Barbarians= You need 3+ people to kill these and a veno to purge it of buffs prefferably.
    Psychics= My knowledge of these isn't so great.
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  • DeityofRain - Harshlands
    DeityofRain - Harshlands Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I'm having a blast with my assassinb:victory
  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Assassins are amazing at pvp. Not only do we have high damaging skills and crits on our side, we have many moves to increase our survivability. One of these skills includes stealth... and stealth isn't just for being able to survive or sneak up on someone. It also gives you a mental advantage over someone. If you're attacking someone, and all of a sudden they disappear... you're going to panic. Stealth allows you to stay focused, while making others panic. Psychological warfare ftw b:victory

    Oh and yes, we have skills to keep people from running. Stuns, immobilization, all that good stuff :)
    I usually always get my kill. Even if I die trying, because the assassin bleed actually does a lot of damage and will wind up killing them if I die in the process xD
    And if people are able to run after I've used all the skills that trap them, the bleed plus knife throw usually finishes them off.
  • Ussichu - Sanctuary
    Ussichu - Sanctuary Posts: 429 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Limeball - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pfft no assasins totally fail at pvp.

    Sarcasm aside, they don't call us assasins for no reason. Sleeps, stuns, phys aoe, stealth mode, high crit rate, high evasion, high damage per second thanks to have the saceond fastest attack rate and high physical damage. (Granted it's a dex build)

    All classes can pvp, in my opinion there's some better than others but people can argue otherwise.

    Venomancers= debuffers, pet users. (More of a pvp support really)
    Blademasters= Aoe stunners, high physical damage and survivability
    Wizards= Suck at lower levels but pull off some high numbers at 90+. Low defense.
    Archers= Supreme pre-90, sucks **** 90+, they can kill, but everyone can kill them easier
    Barbarians= You need 3+ people to kill these and a veno to purge it of buffs prefferably.
    Psychics= My knowledge of these isn't so great.

    fixed... Archers are the best at lower levels. Those crits hit hard and BMs and Barbs don't have acc rings/skills yet.
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Assassins will be great at PK, most likely in general PvP as well. Their specialty seems to be in high damage skills that cause conditions, and their ability to control the environment of the fight. They can become untargetable, instantly change to another player's position, and gain chi in many different ways. So they are melee, with an operating range as great as an archer. They can instantly close to classes that prefer to kite, and in chaotic battlefields they can close on their target when they are at their weakest. This is likely what they will be feared for on the battlefield, the chance someone can appear from nowhere with all non-passive protections down, and kill them without their target able to resist.

    It will take time to see if effective counter-strategies will be made to hinder the advantages of the assassin class, but there is a reason they are listed as maxed stars for PvP rating :)
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  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Limeball - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pfft no assasins totally fail at pvp.

    Sarcasm aside, they don't call us assasins for no reason. Sleeps, stuns, phys aoe, stealth mode, high crit rate, high evasion, high damage per second thanks to have the saceond fastest attack rate and high physical damage. (Granted it's a dex build)

    All classes can pvp, in my opinion there's some better than others but people can argue otherwise.

    Venomancers= debuffers, pet users. (More of a pvp support really)
    Blademasters= Aoe stunners, high physical damage and survivability
    Wizards= Suck at lower levels but pull off some high numbers at 90+. As much defense as a barb with Stone Barrier, garnets, and pdef ornaments
    Archers= Supreme pre-90, sucks **** 90+, they can kill, but everyone can kill them easier
    Barbarians= You need 3+ people to kill these and a veno to purge it of buffs prefferably.
    Psychics= My knowledge of these isn't so great.

    Fixed again >.>
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    DeityofRain - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm having a blast with my assassinb:victory
    with 24/7 oracles? o.0
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  • DeityofRain - Harshlands
    DeityofRain - Harshlands Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    with 24/7 oracles? o.0

    lol, I would be 95+ right now if that was the caseb:chuckle
  • Fishtaco - Lost City
    Fishtaco - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    at lvl 37 i had 65 hrs of red name
    so go figure
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    GL ever killing end game mages that use vacuity powder\9 billion pdef
  • Camerlengo - Dreamweaver
    Camerlengo - Dreamweaver Posts: 228 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Limeball - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Pfft no assasins totally fail at pvp.

    Sarcasm aside, they don't call us assasins for no reason. Sleeps, stuns, phys aoe, stealth mode, high crit rate, high evasion, high damage per second thanks to have the saceond fastest attack rate and high physical damage. (Granted it's a dex build)

    All classes can pvp, in my opinion there's some better than others but people can argue otherwise.

    Venomancers= debuffers, pet users. (More of a pvp support really)
    Blademasters= Aoe stunners, high physical damage and survivability
    Wizards= Suck at lower levels but pull off some high numbers at 90+. Low defense.
    Archers= Suck at lower levels but pull off insane criticals at 90+. Think of assasin only ranged.
    Barbarians= You need 3+ people to kill these and a veno to purge it of buffs prefferably.
    Psychics= My knowledge of these isn't so great.

    You forgot Clerics-

    Cleric= self healing, good buffs, extremely high magic attacks (and two magic-based physical attacks), sleep, stun, but low pdef unless using shards and Plume Shell, also low vit unless sharding or using a modified build.
    Full power to the Vagiroscope!
  • Mkhan - Heavens Tear
    Mkhan - Heavens Tear Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Damaged - Lost City wrote: »
    GL ever killing end game mages that use vacuity powder\9 billion pdef

    GL ever kiling end game Assassins that uses 9billion magic/pdef & HP shards that will immobilize you without you even noticing their approach.
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Mkhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    GL ever kiling end game Assassins that uses 9billion magic/pdef & HP shards that will immobilize you without you even noticing their approach.

    Absolute domain

    next
  • Mkhan - Heavens Tear
    Mkhan - Heavens Tear Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Damaged - Lost City wrote: »
    Absolute domain

    next

    Deaden Nerves

    next
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Mkhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Deaden Nerves

    next

    So I dd normally till Deaden Nerves kicks in and then....

    I dd normally since it only regens 20% of your hp and you die


    Next


    Topic is now a 2 way conversation about mages vs assassins
  • Death_Tide - Heavens Tear
    Death_Tide - Heavens Tear Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Damaged - Lost City wrote: »
    So I dd normally till Deaden Nerves kicks in and then....

    I dd normally since it only regens 20% of your hp and you die


    Next


    Topic is now a 2 way conversation about mages vs assassins

    Lol I too can Absolute Domain after you do it, and pow.

    Next

    Besides...5 seconds isn't enough to save you lol.
  • Fishtaco - Lost City
    Fishtaco - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Damaged - Lost City wrote: »
    GL ever killing end game mages that use vacuity powder\9 billion pdef
    yeh mages are the kings of late game
    we could stay in stealth until the powder runs out maybe?????
  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    The only class that will be able to kill assassins endgame are other assassins that will be able to see them in stealth b:avoid b:chuckle
  • razad
    razad Posts: 122 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Athena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    The only class that will be able to kill assassins endgame are other assassins that will be able to see them in stealth b:avoid b:chuckle

    i think this too, wizzys be jealous, they will see our awesome power endgame
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    There'll most likely be some awareness enhancing gear (hello Mysterious Gear slot) we could use to notice assassins.

    Oh and by the way good luck killing a heavy veno
  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Damaged - Lost City wrote: »
    There'll most likely be some awareness enhancing gear (hello Mysterious Gear slot) we could use to notice assassins.

    That's an interesting point. But how long has that slot been there...? This is PWI we're talking about... doubt they're gonna do anything about it b:sweat

    If they eventually decide to actually do something beneficial to the players for once, I wonder if that mysterious gear slot could be used to affect other things... like Rage Damage, etc.

    Keep in mind though, that even if they decide to come out with things that increase awareness level, assassins will always have a +20 stealth level advantage over you (provided they did the smart thing and leveled cat-like tread).
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Athena - Raging Tide wrote: »
    That's an interesting point. But how long has that slot been there...? This is PWI we're talking about... doubt they're gonna do anything about it b:sweat

    If they eventually decide to actually do something beneficial to the players for once, I wonder if that mysterious gear slot could be used to affect other things... like Rage Damage, etc.

    Keep in mind though, that even if they decide to come out with things that increase awareness level, assassins will always have a +20 stealth level advantage over you (provided they did the smart thing and leveled cat-like tread).

    True

    Then I'll have to fly around with finger over absolute domain in case of an ambush, then treat you like a fist bm w\o marrow.
  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Mysterious gear is cow shop...lol. Stealth doesn't worry me they have to come out of it to atk and once in combat they can't go back in. I imagine that they will be the same as ea's 90+ is downhill.
    Spoons you will forever be missed in this community
  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Damaged - Lost City wrote: »
    True

    Then I'll have to fly around with finger over absolute domain in case of an ambush, then treat you like a fist bm w\o marrow.

    Well bms typically wear HA, while LA has better mdef... It may not be the same as marrow, but it's still something. I'll see how things turn out when I get high enough to take on wizards your level.

    Edit: Also, forgot to mention that when it comes to pvp, assassins generally don't act like fist bms. They are about spike damage with skills rather than increasing attack rate and going to town.
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    Mysterious gear is cow shop...lol. Stealth doesn't worry me they have to come out of it to atk and once in combat they can't go back in. I imagine that they will be the same as ea's 90+ is downhill.

    They can go back into stealth while in combat actually. And I was thinking the same thing (the similarity to an archer's pvp ability) since LA generally has poor defense. But assassins have different skills than archers... such as the attack level increase, crit damage increase, etc.

    Like I said, we'll see how things turn out when people who actually know what they're doing level their assassins to a high enough level to take on endgame wizards :)
  • Damaged - Lost City
    Damaged - Lost City Posts: 460 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    Mysterious gear is cow shop...lol. Stealth doesn't worry me they have to come out of it to atk and once in combat they can't go back in. I imagine that they will be the same as ea's 90+ is downhill.

    WELL MISTER

    It's an empty gear slot most of the time, I'm perfectly aware you can equip a Cow shop there thanks. And I doubt they'll add awareness as a stat so yea, where else are you going to equip an awareness boosting item "...lol."
  • Piliener - Lost City
    Piliener - Lost City Posts: 589 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I'm sure new gear is on the way with shiney new stats on them. I want rage enhancing for sage BIDS ^.^
    Spoons you will forever be missed in this community
  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Piliener - Lost City wrote: »
    I'm sure new gear is on the way with shiney new stats on them. I want rage enhancing for sage BIDS ^.^

    Good God.

    Every Wizard that rerolled psychic will rereroll wizard b:chuckle

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