psych vs assasin

Aknatn - Heavens Tear · December 2009

i have tried both classes and it seems to me as if psych is a better assasin than the assasin class
psych can kill emerald crabs in 2 hits at lvl 1, it takes assasin much more
so i was wondering what advantages does assasin have over psych other than looking cooler, and not using as much mana?

Sacronox - Harshlands · December 2009

Aknatn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i have tried both classes and it seems to me as if psych is a better assasin than the assasin class
psych can kill emerald crabs in 2 hits at lvl 1, it takes assasin much more
so i was wondering what advantages does assasin have over psych other than looking cooler, and not using as much mana?

You can't judge ANY class based on level one =P

storehammy · December 2009

physical attack.
keels teh robe classes.
not a support class...
keels teh others faster....

also what the heck?
why are you comparing classes at level 1.....
level them both up to 60 or so and then compare.
b:sweat

Aknatn - Heavens Tear · December 2009

thats why i asked u guys smartypants's
so i wouldnt judge

storehammy · December 2009

here be all the advantages an assassin has over psychics.
http://www.ecatomb.net/skillpwi.php
go there and see what assassins have.
such as....the ability to turn invisible.

b:sweat

but Aknatn it be more based on player preference/playstyle....if you like melee then you can choose assassin/barb/bm if you like support/range you can be psychic/veno/cleric.
if you like ranged damage you can be wizard/archer.
(X_X)

maocchi · December 2009

For reference when I dueled a psychic 1 level lower than me, I killed him in 2 hits (as an Asssassin of course) and I had about 50% hp left.

Both are pretty squishy.

Limeball - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Assasin has the second fastest attack rate. They're the same rate as foxes who use magic swords and they're both just under fist blademasters.

Assasin however does far more damage than a fox. (And i'm not entirely sure, but I do beleive a full dex assasin would deal more than a fist blademaster? [Think of high crit rate])

Assasins can pump out much more damage per second than a psy can, and do massive criticals. If an assasin is full dex, you can get some kind of idea of their damage from archers at higher levels. Because of this, assasins gain chi faster than psys enabling them to use special skills which require chi more often. Aoe phys, sleep, stun, ect.

Of course i'm basing my assumptions on what I can guess of the skill tree. Once tideborns start hitting 80+ we'll see their real standings in pvp.

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

Well... Psychic @ lvl 90 have soulburn which is an active curse that makes it so everytime you attack you get 9000(soulforce) / 4 = 2250 HP loss. If assasins can fight so quick then they get 2250 HP loss everytime they hit b:chuckle

Look at the soulburn thread

EDIT: Psychics at lvl 90 have 9000 soul force, thats why I said lvl 90. Soulburn is a lvl 49 skill, at lvl 49 you have around mid 5000 Soulforce (Estimation)

godprince · December 2009

Falacer - Harshlands wrote: »

Well... Psychic @ lvl 90 have soulburn which is an active curse that makes it so everytime you attack you get 9000(soulforce) / 4 = 2250 HP loss. If assasins can fight so quick then they get 2250 HP loss everytime they hit b:chuckle

Look at the soulburn thread

EDIT: Psychics at lvl 90 have 9000 soul force, thats why I said lvl 90. Soulburn is a lvl 49 skill, at lvl 49 you have around mid 5000 Soulforce (Estimation)

an assassin would just have to use shadow escape to turn invisible during a fight and dispel the debuffs and go fight again, no danger with that skill and sins (btw they dont have 9k at lvl90, at lvl25 they have around 1900 soulforce, lvl25x4=lvl100, so soulforce 1900x4=7600 soulforce so there will be their soulforce more or less

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

godprince wrote: »

an assassin would just have to use shadow escape to turn invisible during a fight and dispel the debuffs and go fight again, no danger with that skill and sins (btw they dont have 9k at lvl90, at lvl25 they have around 1900 soulforce, lvl25x4=lvl100, so soulforce 1900x4=7600 soulforce so there will be their soulforce more or less

I had 2900 Soulforce at lvl 30.

30 x 3 = 90. 2900 x 3 = 8700 / 4 = 2175. Sorry for being off by like 100 HP loss? xD

and its not including the fact that at lvl 90 if you have refines on your TT armor (who doesn't have at least 1 refine) that also adds to your soulforce.

and the assasin is going to go invisable? well what if the psychic is a higher lvl then the assasin, then he could see him in stealth mode? You could cast it on the assasin while they're fighting and one hit from him to any target (whether it be a monster or person) will auto-kill him.

Sure there is a possibility of the assasin getting away, But with the highest DPS (so i've heard) he probably wouldn't be able to stop his attack if you cast it on him in the middle of a fight.

EDIT: and even if the assasin did get away... What other class can turn invisable? Besides maybe a 20k HP barbarian thats a 2-3 hit MAX for any other class.

godprince · December 2009

Falacer - Harshlands wrote: »

I had 2900 Soulforce at lvl 30.

30 x 3 = 90. 2900 x 3 = 8700 / 4 = 2175. Sorry for being off by like 100 HP loss? xD

and its not including the fact that at lvl 90 if you have refines on your TT armor (who doesn't have at least 1 refine) that also adds to your soulforce.

and the assasin is going to go invisable? well what if the psychic is a higher lvl then the assasin, then he could see him in stealth mode? You could cast it on the assasin while they're fighting and one hit from him to any target (whether it be a monster or person) will auto-kill him.

Sure there is a possibility of the assasin getting away, But with the highest DPS (so i've heard) he probably wouldn't be able to stop his attack if you cast it on him in the middle of a fight.

EDIT: and even if the assasin did get away... What other class can turn invisable? Besides maybe a 20k HP barbarian thats a 2-3 hit MAX for any other class.

assassins have stealth mastery meaning when max ppl over 20 lvls higher than them cant see them, so a lvl80 sin with max stealth mastery only a lvl100+ can see them. btw someone tried being lvl60+ soulburn on a mob he had 6k soulforce the mob got 1k dmg. ??? so at lvl29 the stealth mastery start so far more high lvls wont get to see them, a cleric can purify and use physical skills on the psychic. and u cant never one shoot an assassin cause of the skill deaden nerves, which saves them from death and bring 20% hp back (talking about if he uses it) so u get soulburn at lvl49, at that lvl u may be dueling lowbies sins cause the mastery will allow them to not be seen by at least 6 lvls higher. btw the refine stuff, idc how it works, a friend of mine refine some gear, it gave each 1 soulforce moreb:laugh

i do agree with u any other class would have a hard time with those 8 sec, unless they can stun or sleep and go away, which psychics dont have inmunity for, hoping that a normal lvl80+ should have more than 2k hp

Ken_MasterS - Lost City · December 2009

srry but only class that can see a stealt sin is another high lv sin so in stealt u FAIL.

razad · December 2009

Aknatn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i have tried both classes and it seems to me as if psych is a better assasin than the assasin class
psych can kill emerald crabs in 2 hits at lvl 1, it takes assasin much more
so i was wondering what advantages does assasin have over psych other than looking cooler, and not using as much mana?

psychic=caster, assassin=melee......choose.

DeityofRain - Harshlands · December 2009

Aknatn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i have tried both classes and it seems to me as if psych is a better assasin than the assasin class
psych can kill emerald crabs in 2 hits at lvl 1, it takes assasin much more
so i was wondering what advantages does assasin have over psych other than looking cooler, and not using as much mana?

oh, cute thread b:laugh lvl 1 ftw

how about I kill psych in one hit in pvp b:victory

godprince · December 2009

Ken_MasterS - Lost City wrote: »

srry but only class that can see a stealt sin is another high lv sin so in stealt u FAIL.

seems u r the one who fails, a same lvl sin without mastery lvl25 for example cant see the other, meaning two high lvl sins, with both exact mastery of stealth and at the same time exact mastery of awarness, there lvl of stealth against awarness will sum 0, only a sin with a higher awarness lvl than the other stealth lvl can see them. meaning endgame no one can see u cause it will be like if two lvl24 sins dueled, they cant see each other. so before calling fail on someone, research a bit more see if u r not already failing

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

godprince wrote: »

seems u r the one who fails, a same lvl sin without mastery lvl25 for example cant see the other, meaning two high lvl sins, with both exact mastery of stealth and at the same time exact mastery of awarness, there lvl of stealth against awarness will sum 0, only a sin with a higher awarness lvl than the other stealth lvl can see them. meaning endgame no one can see u cause it will be like if two lvl24 sins dueled, they cant see each other. so before calling fail on someone, research a bit more see if u r not already failing

Oh Yeah I just got defended by a guy I'm arguing with b:victoryb:laugh

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

godprince wrote: »

assassins have stealth mastery meaning when max ppl over 20 lvls higher than them cant see them, so a lvl80 sin with max stealth mastery only a lvl100+ can see them. btw someone tried being lvl60+ soulburn on a mob he had 6k soulforce the mob got 1k dmg. ??? so at lvl29 the stealth mastery start so far more high lvls wont get to see them, a cleric can purify and use physical skills on the psychic. and u cant never one shoot an assassin cause of the skill deaden nerves, which saves them from death and bring 20% hp back (talking about if he uses it) so u get soulburn at lvl49, at that lvl u may be dueling lowbies sins cause the mastery will allow them to not be seen by at least 6 lvls higher. btw the refine stuff, idc how it works, a friend of mine refine some gear, it gave each 1 soulforce moreb:laugh

i do agree with u any other class would have a hard time with those 8 sec, unless they can stun or sleep and go away, which psychics dont have inmunity for, hoping that a normal lvl80+ should have more than 2k hp

Does deaden nerves let it so that when the assasin dies its sorta like a "purify"?

Well you gotta admit some assasins wont be able to see this coming...

We could stun him and then use it on him

And this skill will be really fun to use on other pk'ers at random times, Cause its like "Okay... I just cursed you... soooo you either leave... or i keelz you b:angry"

godprince · December 2009

Falacer - Harshlands wrote: »

Does deaden nerves let it so that when the assasin dies its sorta like a "purify"?

Well you gotta admit some assasins wont be able to see this coming...

We could stun him and then use it on him

And this skill will be really fun to use on other pk'ers at random times, Cause its like "Okay... I just cursed you... soooo you either leave... or i keelz you b:angry"

im not saying its a useless skill against assassins, but if i just see the symbol or the debuff on me i would just go invisible in the middle of the fight (counting on that u r not 10 lvls higher than meb:laugh) btw theres no point in stunning and using it, cause u want the opponent to attk u so they get hurt. btw i just got confirmed that a lvl6x with 6k soulforce use soulburn on a mob and when the mob attked him, the mob got 1k dmg, i wonder in pvp?

Morty - Raging Tide · December 2009

On pvp psy won't stand a chance, they will die in less than 5 hits if the assassin looses they should quit the class.
As for PvE Psy is better than assassin below level 50 simply because magic attack is always better in the lower levels, but after 50 magic attack is equal to physical due to crits.

In a party a Psychic can do more variety of things, while an assassin is solid at Damage.

godprince · December 2009

Morty - Raging Tide wrote: »

On pvp psy won't stand a chance, they will die in less than 5 hits if the assassin looses they should quit the class.
As for PvE Psy is better than assassin below level 50 simply because magic attack is always better in the lower levels, but after 50 magic attack is equal to physical due to crits.

In a party a Psychic can do more variety of things, while an assassin is solid at Damage.

even though i love assassins u cant say a psy wont stand a chance, cause they will. Their skills are blastering as well as they can absorb dmg, reflect, etc. They can nuke down an assassin in seconds too. it only depends on the skill of each player, cause both classes are amazing in pvp.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2009

Falacer - Harshlands wrote: »

Well... Psychic @ lvl 90 have soulburn which is an active curse that makes it so everytime you attack you get 9000(soulforce) / 4 = 2250 HP loss. If assasins can fight so quick then they get 2250 HP loss everytime they hit b:chuckle

Look at the soulburn thread

EDIT: Psychics at lvl 90 have 9000 soul force, thats why I said lvl 90. Soulburn is a lvl 49 skill, at lvl 49 you have around mid 5000 Soulforce (Estimation)

Remember everything looks better on paper at first......... till you actually try it and see flaws

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Remember everything looks better on paper at first......... till you actually try it and see flaws

If you looked on the thread you'd see that we got several 49+ psychics to try it...

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

and I'd just like to point out besides me and godprince and that other guy everyone is saying "Assasin would own psychic" when they ARE an assasin. adn everyone is saying Psychic owns assasin when they ARE a psychic. In about amonth (first lvl 70 with NO oracles will show up) and we'll get them to fight.

Ussichu - Sanctuary · December 2009

At 33 as a psychic i dueled a 32 sin. We went 2 - 1. However he never critted me and all were close... Sins are gonna be scary at higher levels IMO.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2009

Falacer - Harshlands wrote: »

If you looked on the thread you'd see that we got several 49+ psychics to try it...

Im talking about flaws you start to see once you reach a higher lvl, mainly lv90+. There are many, many things that look good on paper and good at lower lvls, but once reached past 80s 90s, they are not as efficient as before due to a clash in another possible class skill or some other factor. The efficiency of the skills will fluctuate alot before 70s, even more so when this is a new class, and there will be many discoveries pertaining to skills especially a few months from now. Atm all we see are the black and white simple results

RedsRose - Lost City · December 2009

godprince wrote: »

even though i love assassins u cant say a psy wont stand a chance, cause they will. Their skills are blastering as well as they can absorb dmg, reflect, etc. They can nuke down an assassin in seconds too. it only depends on the skill of each player, cause both classes are amazing in pvp.

^ This

In PvP my Psychic was ganked my a 5x barb and won...when she was 3x...ijs

Falacer - Harshlands wrote: »

If you looked on the thread you'd see that we got several 49+ psychics to try it...

Not too many....no one will truly know until about level 90 with Sage/Demon spark tbh.

Besides...many say Clerics cannot survive in PvP and Barbs own in PvP and there have been more then a few cases in which the above has been proven wrong.

Ohhhhh btw --> There is a work around to stealth....ijs b:bye

Zeilos - Lost City · December 2009

duh use a Dot :P

Sralyn - Dreamweaver · December 2009

Okay, someone mentioned that a 6x psy hit 1k on a mob with that debuff...now add in the dmg reduction from PvP, and the fact that any self-respecting sin will be using skills, which are much more powerful and much slower than their regular attack speed, that skill may not be as useful as you once thought it was.

And another thing. Any decent sin, with all their interrupts, stuns, sleeps, seals, etc...probably won't let you get that skill off in the first place unless it's an instant cast. b:bye

Ballistixz - Heavens Tear · December 2009

well i stand by my claim on sins being mage and LA killers. its what there best at. most assassin/rouge classes in other games usually make there living stalking classes with very low P def and low HP and completly avoid high Pdef and high HP chars.

but u cant count out psy. after all dont they have a skill that makes them immune to physical dmg for a period of time? not to mention they have great reflect skills and debuffs. both psy and sin will be powerfull in pvp. its already been said by the GMs and devs that these 2 classes are PvP oriented classes. that is where they will shine the most.

Fealty - Harshlands · December 2009

the soulburn skills for a phys will always make them ungankable, i would say from testing assisian will take the cake in the earlier level but late endgame the oneshot capability from phys is gonn be too much, plus with there attack def switch skills people can build LA crit builds or HA/Arcane mixtures even, and not lose out on too much as they would if they were just MG's

Falacer - Harshlands · December 2009

Okay so psychics have soulburn and apparently some people have sent me screenshots of it working, and then some people show me screenshots of it not working, some people tell me "ZOMG I luvz dis skillz" and some hate it.

Yeah Assasins usually 3hit my psy, But maybe with soulburn we will stand a bit of a chance.

I said earlier that all the people playing assasins say their class will pwn psy's and all the people playing psy's are saying they'd pwn assasins.

Everyone just has to accept the fact that there is a way to get around every skill/debuff/and curse. Some may be harder to get around and block but there is still a way. For instance Double spark leaves you invincable for 3 seconds, If you use that a whole **** load of curses(idk if they count as an attack, if so they will not work) and skills.

if you really want too a 9x archer can beat a 9x wiz if he's smart about it.

Theres ways to get around stealth and deaden nerve and theres ways to get around soulburn :P

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