Of Apples and Oracles

Bartack - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh yes, and if I EVER DO decide to use oracles, I suppose I will miss out on all the skilled experience I get conquering my villa every day. b:cold

Silly kitty, you don't CONQUER the villa, you just give Li Mengpai a villa. He could open a few hundred developments with all the villas he has.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yeah it was a really, really terrible idea for PWE to add Oracles to the cash shop, but come on - after all the packs, wouldn't you expect them to pull something like this?

HAHAHA this pretty much sums it up

Hisuna - Raging Tide wrote: »

In red: thank you. This is the point I have been trying to make for ages.

HISUNA! what are you doing not in Scant? b:sad

pointless.. you can not tell who has used or who hasnt used oracles. oracles are just a means to gain xp that is all. everytime oracles are the topic or conversation you get ppl saying the following.


- oracles noobs
- you dont know how to play ur class
- i dont want to squad with a oracle baby

this is just immature. lots of ppl dont know how to play their class. what if a person never used oracles and they caused a party wipe are u gonna call them an oracle noob. no , and u know why?

Cause you can not tell

unless the person is at the oracle spot there is no way of knowing if they used oracles to get to their level. most people who complain are just poor and get angry cause the know someone who passed them in level. also the whole skills discussion is pointless too. Get in a good fac. have them run u through and u will learn. also if the oracle character is an alt and u know how to play ur main u will learn .

Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »

I see this exact "argument" used as some sort of justification for tons of QQ all the time an it never ceases to make me laugh b:laugh

"aww... poor us.. PWI such a greedy corporation...." yet I bet every single person who has put forth this argument has never said "no thanks" when someone gives them money or says to their boss on payday.. "no thats ok, I don't want to be greedy" b:pleased

I personally dont care about oracles one way or the other, but I always get a kick outta that "argument" I guess the word "capitalism" just dosent ring any bells... oh, unless your the one getting the money. If ya ever need to dish a bit out it seems to be a different story... even worse if ya just cant afford to dish it out, then ya just vent your hate on those who can.

Corporation: They're formed to make money. The only free cheese you're gonna get is the one in the mouse trap.

to OP;

i dont think its actually the oracles themselves but the pple who play the characters. I know this cant be avoided but one time or the other we have ALL seen someone use another persons account, and sometimes given it. (Technically its not allowed so the GMs do deal with it if they find out of course, ive seen some banned.) Unlike the oraclers these pple get lv0 to lv 80+ or 90+ in a single day yet know one seems to care? Technically they are the super noobs, ones that surprass oracles. Yet some of these pple learn to play the classes well, the pple who started out noobier than the oracle noobs. I dont see why not oracled classes CANT learn. The matter is the effort they put into the class to learn it AFTER they attained their desired lvl.

Aenarion - Harshlands wrote: »

The real reason that the vast majority of players i talk to don't like oracles isn't because the player may be less experienced and not know their class well, or because they may not have a good grip on the duties of their class in various dungeon runs. It's a much simpler and easy to understand concept, that even the oracle users were aware of before they decide to buy them.

Leveling through the use of oracles is undoubtedly a faster method that can get you to a high level in a fraction of the time that it would take a player using conventional leveling methods. This fact alone will spur jealousy in almost any non-oracling player. .

I dont use oracles. I dont have any problem with people who do use them exept for times when Ive been in a squad with clueless lv70-90's who dont know how to play their class. People are free to spend their money how they choose. I understand that many players came before me. Cashoppers and non-cashshoppers alike. I would never have any jealousy over things that dont effect me. Power-levelling thru oracles only effects me when Im in squad
with any high level who gets the squad wiped due to careless lack of exp. That is my arguement with oracles. If people use them then fine. Everyone I have talked to and squad with have all felt the same. That each player in the squad know his or her duties. Look at RB for example. Why is it that nobody will take new players into RB unless they have experienced.
I dont RB at all so I apply the same concept to situations that do effect me.
Which is that I wont squad with anyone regardless of lvl unless they know how to play their class.

lol i dint understand a word of wat u said but wat i know is that i dont use oracles not for lack of money but cuz wat i know,my assasin may not be hgher lvl cuz i dont use oracles cuz u will miss alot of reputation that is good for later, alot of quest that also gives u rep, experience in the game ,and the whole point of the game to lvl doing quest for fun lolb:laugh

Some people spend hours and hours across a span of months to level their characters. Others spend hours everyday at a job they hate, working for a boss they hate for years and years, and they use their pay checks to level their character with oracles.
I don't know what you think. . .money just magically appears in people's bank accounts? Even if someone passes your level in a single day by using oracles, they may not have spent time playing the game, but they spent time earning the money that they spent on oracles. Why can't you be glad that you leveled the fun and free way? Why can't they do what they want with their money?
If you don't like the idea of people spending money to level quicky, go play another MMO without a cashshop. If you don't like the idea of spending money on a game, go play tic-tac-toe, it's free.

pezizgood wrote: »

Some people spend hours and hours across a span of months to level their characters. Others spend hours everyday at a job they hate, working for a boss they hate for years and years, and they use their pay checks to level their character with oracles.
I don't know what you think. . .money just magically appears in people's bank accounts? Even if someone passes your level in a single day by using oracles, they may not have spent time playing the game, but they spent time earning the money that they spent on oracles. Why can't you be glad that you leveled the fun and free way? Why can't they do what they want with their money?
If you don't like the idea of people spending money to level quicky, go play another MMO without a cashshop. If you don't like the idea of spending money on a game, go play tic-tac-toe, it's free.

omg your so stupid
people are transfering money from one world to another (real life to a game)
to gain an unfair advantage
this is the reason for outrage
we understand that earning real life money is also hard
but real life money should not be such a heavy influence on a game
what is the point of the game you fool?
if your success in it depends on your money in real life.
if you can just buy yourself the best character without playing the game
srsly think before you speak you dumbcrap
it is a computer game
you should win based on your skill, cunning, experience and wit
not based on your money is some other world
hey guess what guys i used to be bloody rich when i played diablo 2
im just going to transfer all of that capital to perfect world
of course people will not like this
you are so dumb

Fishtaco - Lost City wrote: »

omg your so stupid
people are transfering money from one world to another (real life to a game)
to gain an unfair advantage
this is the reason for outrage
we understand that earning real life money is also hard
but real life money should not be such a heavy influence on a game
what is the point of the game you fool?
if your success in it depends on your money in real life.
if you can just buy yourself the best character without playing the game
srsly think before you speak you dumbcrap
it is a computer game
you should win based on your skill, cunning, experience and wit
not based on your money is some other world
hey guess what guys i used to be bloody rich when i played diablo 2
im just going to transfer all of that capital to perfect world
of course people will not like this
you are so dumb

You are the one whos acting like a goof.

"but real life money should not be such a heavy influence on a game"
-because we were given fair warning its a game with money spending items. We did not have the power to limit what the company decides to sell and how often. Same like a supermarket, the customer may request what they want on the shelf but the store isnt obligated to comply and both sides know there are other competitors.

"it is a computer game"
-is it because its a computer game you cuss up the wall to a stranger? I wonder if you do that when you see other pple too. Such lack of etiquette...
Repeat to yourself "it is a computer game" several times and chill out.

"you should win based on your skill, cunning, experience and wit
not based on your money is some other world"
-stop living in the nintendo age. Even tho that may be good, that is YOUR personal view of what a game SHOULD be and you are pushing it to other pple. Just like how i think rude, ignorant pple that cuss all over the forums at strangers shouldnt be allowed to play in an online game cause frankly their a bad apple, doesnt mean i will try to force such things.

Grinding the same monsters for hours upon hours isn't fun. That goes for oracles as well as any other type of enemy. This is a game, in case you missed it, and games are meant to be enjoyed. For some, that means seeing some sort of advancement, hence why a lot of players use oracles.

Others, like myself, use them in a different way. Rarely have I actually used them to level up but I do use them for gaining spirit; a commodity which is unfortunately much harder to come by no matter how you choose to obtain it. The XP/spirit ratio is horrendous, and moreso is the sheer amount of spirit required for many of your skills. Whether fighting regular monsters, or running quests, you will never have enough spirit to get all the skills you require for your level, and certainly not enough to max out EVERY skill until you hit the 'endgame'.

So, with the help of some Oracles I can kill a monster, get a large spirit bonus and then siphon off the experience into genies. I don't advance in levels, but I definetly advance in skills.

The biggest argument I hear is that it's an advantage over other players. That's life, im afraid. People will always have an advantage over others in some form. Whether it's being higher level than you in a PvP fight, having superior equipment or owning gold to purchase items to assist you. Many of the people I've seen complain about 'gold buyers' are the self-same people who own boutique items which cannot be obtained any other way. It doesn't matter that you personally paid for it with coins, because you wouldn't own it at all had someone not paid for it using real money.

Same goes for levels. Yes, it's an advantage. But is it one which can't be gained through other means? No. You can quest, run dailies and kill monsters for experience and spirit. Oracles might be faster, but that's their only benefit. There are also plenty of catshop owners who will sell Oracles for coins, passing on that same benefit to non-donating players.

The boutique pays for your gameplay. It's rather silly to hate other players because they help to pay for the running of the servers.