Strategies on staying alive

Miugre - Heavens Tear
Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Assassin
I'm sure this has been spoken of in other threads, but: what is your strategy on keeping your Assassin alive?

Right now, my Assassin is Lv25 and working on the first of the Shining Tide quests. When he was at the Mines, he had to use Life Powder to function properly - which, at his level, is of course a godsend. Now, I think I'll have to continue using Life Powder in Shining Tide and beyond. When I'm doing a quick quest which isn't long enough to want to use LPs, I use the Second Wind genie skill combined with potions and meditation.

The flaws of the Assassin are obvious - they have to fight in melee, but they do not have the self-heal skills of the BM or the large HP/Physical Def reserves of the Barb. Does it get easier or harder as the Assassin levels?

If you have any strategies on how not to lose tons of HP, or to get it all back without massive expenditures (please do not say "charm"), post them here. :P

Again, my strategies atm are liberal use of Life Powder, and failing that, a combination of standard potions and the Second Wind genie skill. What are yours?
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I have a sneaking suspicion that assassins are supposed to be the evasion masters of the game, even moreso than archers. Granted that doesn't help with magic, especially later in the game, but as far as physical attacks go, I'm really starting to think that's the case. I could be wrong of course, as they have not been out long enough to really know. I'm kind of waiting for pwcalc to add their stuff so I can mess with it.
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  • YellowFin - Lost City
    YellowFin - Lost City Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    pretty much what your doing + a cleric
  • Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear
    Dyskrasia - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,161 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    My strategy is the same as yours, and I'm level 30. You could also try bleed, slipstream, and then sleep until the bleed wears off, and rinse and repeat if there's still a lot of hp left. It will take a lot longer than just going full force, but you won't get hit as often. The level 29 skill rib strike makes things a lot easier though, so far with or without life powder.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You know, that does remind me of something... I wonder if any mid-leveled Assassin (excluding Oracle n00bs) could tell us how viable an "evasion tank" is? My main is an Archer, and we're supposed to have the highest evasion (until now, anyway)... but seeing as half the time we fight magic mobs at range, evasion has never been that useful to me and I've always worn ornaments and armor shards geared towards magic defense.

    IMO for an evasion-based character to be viable, you'd have to be able to dodge at least 1/3 of all physical attacks - ideally 40% or higher. And that still leaves you with the problem of magic-only mobs such as pyrogolths. So, I'm skeptical. XD
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You know, that does remind me of something... I wonder if any mid-leveled Assassin (excluding Oracle n00bs) could tell us how viable an "evasion tank" is? My main is an Archer, and we're supposed to have the highest evasion (until now, anyway)... but seeing as half the time we fight magic mobs at range, evasion has never been that useful to me and I've always worn ornaments and armor shards geared towards magic defense.

    IMO for an evasion-based character to be viable, you'd have to be able to dodge at least 1/3 of all physical attacks - ideally 40% or higher. And that still leaves you with the problem of magic-only mobs such as pyrogolths. So, I'm skeptical. XD

    I agree completely lol. But I would still like to test it and see how it goes.
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  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Assassins don't have the highest evasion.
    They get the same acc and evasion per point as an archer (8 and 6), but archers get an evasion buff. So archers basically have the highest evasion still. Unless you have a 1 str 4 dex BM (lol) because they get 10 accuracy and evasion per dex point >.>
  • Hichel - Harshlands
    Hichel - Harshlands Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i think archers will have the highest evasion because this class has 8 points in evasion per dex and we assassins only 6.

    as everyone knows, assassins build is the same as archers, so archers will have more evasion naturally.(but it depends on the ekips for sure.)
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  • Morty - Raging Tide
    Morty - Raging Tide Posts: 337 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Its all about evasion and hit rate, they will have better crits than archer so obviously at this level, its hard. Once your Dex caps at 150 you would see big difference in killing mobs, and as they attack fast they could easily tank with evasion and would kill just as fast without using skills.
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    As far as I've experienced I dont even see why evasion is there in this game. I rarely dodge physical atks on my archer even with the evasion buff on (atleast pve wise), even if it states I have 50% chance to evade the mob's atk. I still get hit 3 out of 4 times which doesnt seem right at all.

    Therefore with evasion down to being almost useless (unless it works well for assassins) the only way to survive is to ensure we dont get hit. Luckily assassins get good status skills such as sleep, stun and a skill to interrupt channeling which can be used to ensure they dont get hit.

    I would probably start off with sleep followed by bleed and then normals till the mob is dead. Once you get stun, you could alternate between sleep and stun.

    Against magic mobs it would be more like, Tele -> sleep -> stun -. normals -> interrupt channeling -> normals. The mob should die before it can hit you with this. Although being melee there is a chance you could aggro mobs nearby as well which could be a pain and something to watch out for.
  • ArkToNE - Harshlands
    ArkToNE - Harshlands Posts: 73 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Well, the class is relatively unbalanced. The class actually gives you the illusion of going at normal pace when you're actually going almost twice as fast as any other class.

    The thing that I would say is really troubling you is that you're rushing things without realizing it (killing roughly 80 Taurocs in 30 minutes seems to indicate something here...). Since you're going so fast, your pots and powders won't be able to catch up with the damage you're taking, so be sure to take breathers in between to perhaps double pot to fill up. Think of it as running a marathon; while Barbs and BMs are going at a regular pace, Assassin goes in an all out sprint.

    Like a mounted machine gun, you really shouldn't hold down the fire and let the barrel melt from all the heat. Do short bursts and do a few pauses in between fights. A nice, regulated pace will insure that you'll survive every encounter with no difficulties. Of course it's painful for you, but it'll be more painful for them.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I dunno, my Assassin kills at roughly the same rate my other characters do.

    The last quest he did was the 15 Skeleranc Craftsmen, which he killed at a pretty normal speed, and after every three kills he had to walk out into the road and meditate. This is not something my other chars have had to do. :P

    I dunno, somehow I don't see him killing 80 Taurocs in half an hour when he's your level. XD
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i use the blood sucking skill and spam pot >.>
    ill have to get powders soon....
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  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i think archers will have the highest evasion because this class has 8 points in evasion per dex and we assassins only 6.

    as everyone knows, assassins build is the same as archers, so archers will have more evasion naturally.(but it depends on the ekips for sure.)

    You missed my post entirely b:sweat
  • Hichel - Harshlands
    Hichel - Harshlands Posts: 35 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You missed my post entirely b:sweat

    wow, sorry, i think i was replying when you post it..>.<
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  • Athena - Raging Tide
    Athena - Raging Tide Posts: 98 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    wow, sorry, i think i was replying when you post it..>.<

    lol that would explain it :P
  • Limeball - Heavens Tear
    Limeball - Heavens Tear Posts: 305 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I'm a pure dex build with no vit, and I didn't find any trouble with the mobs really. Granted they can take my HP a fair bit, I always kill and or crit, before they kill me.

    As a friend put it: We're simply melee archers. We gain 13 hp per vit like they do, so it's almost not worth putting in vit.

    This is my usual attack combo with the skills i've got: Knife throw (To claim the mob since there's alot of people around), deep sting (Sleep skill, works alot of the time), wound puncture (bleed), splitstream strike (uber damage) and keel.
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  • HollowMartyr - Raging Tide
    HollowMartyr - Raging Tide Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I don't have trouble with using life powders at all...I can kill maybe 5-10 mobs depending before I need to just pause for 10 seconds or so to get out of combo and fully heal. I'm full Dex and my mob killing method is: Run up manually, Puncture, Slipstream, Basic attack the rest down. I add in the sleep after SlipStream if they are defense/extra life mobs and restart that combo. I never use hp pots unless I get double teamed or on attack mobs but I do run through a mana pot every few kills and if Slipstream crits...There goes 2/3 of their hp XD I love the kill speed of this class.

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  • Legendadry - Harshlands
    Legendadry - Harshlands Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    once u hit 29 and get ur spark its alot eaiser imo. I use alot more mana pots now thought. pretty much u fight each mob w/ a spark. I'm still working on combos but what i do is spark->tele->freeze->reduce attack speed->slip strike. by that time their dead. i usually take maybe 1 hit or none, it only works if i spark though. I was doing the bleed and sleep combo but i hated getting hit. i'm sure alot of ppl have diff combos though this one just works best for me.
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  • Wraith_Lynn - Dreamweaver
    Wraith_Lynn - Dreamweaver Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I don't use any Combo/macros at the moment So I pretty much go on a Mob by Mob Basis as my tactics change with them. The reason is I find alot of other classes in the area where I am in and usually get stuck with the harder kills like a IMR for Wizards or Increased Life etc etc. But I have 2 Main skills I use most of the time that are am major help Slipstream and Puncture then usually Normal attacks the rest of the way. I use Life powder religiously On occasion a Hp Pot and I swear I am part cleric because I drink MP pots like they where going out of style. I Also use our only healing skill from lvl 34 I believe Blood Paint it is called. Granted the HP it sucks is minor but even 5 to 10 points per physical attack we get in healed has saved me from a nasty demise.

    Also Note right now there is a Slight Coding Issue in our Base damage. (See Thread Titled Coding Errors) Hopefully this will make us even better when it is fixed.
  • Sneakret - Heavens Tear
    Sneakret - Heavens Tear Posts: 618 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I decided to try the evade route, my gear is semi poor since the lvls are so easy to gain and it's pointless to invest massive amounts into it.

    Right now using only average evade shards, a phys belt with evade, and evade necklace and some random + dex gear I have a bit over 2k hp, 10% crit rate, and a 26% evade on targets my level.

    When I use our short evade addition buff at lvl 6 I'm pushing a bit over 40% evade. While the evade gain only applies to normal attacks, the skill with added 19% also applies to magic skills, and aoe's as well ( just a tip). Seeing 1 dmg come up in fb 51 from myriad 4 times in a row was friggen sweet.

    Personal choice as with my veno, capping vit at 50 and moving back to 1str 4dex per lvl. Keeps ya alive through aoe's, and anything you can't survive gets soaked by Dead Nerves (20% hp regain upon reaching 0 hp)


    If you're using Light Armor I suggest either A: loading up with phys shards, or B: loading up with evade; mixing will not really grant the best of both sides here much unless you have 3 sockets or more. Our magic resist is already fair vs that of heavy classes, but to be a mele DD you need to have the vit and def to block or the ability to evade it and skip the damage all together
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  • Firegard - Lost City
    Firegard - Lost City Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    im going to run 1 and c if i can find a way to run it real well and if i get it right i will share the build with all of u it will take me a wile i do not play a lot but i will see if i can get it right a gen thx 4 all the info
  • Ussichu - Sanctuary
    Ussichu - Sanctuary Posts: 429 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I'm doing a bow normal > switch after 3rd-5th normal (depends if the mob buffs itself in the process of coming) > puncture wound** > sleep > run away and switch to bow > fire again > switch and stream strike if not dead

    Or doing bow normal > puncture wound > stream strike (usually kills the mob)

    The first makes me take 1 hit, the 2nd makes me take 2 hits. Also sucks if the sleep doesn't work but some mobs will buff themselves by then so you can kite anyways.

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  • Sneakret - Heavens Tear
    Sneakret - Heavens Tear Posts: 618 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    The sad truth of the matter is we really aren't a class made for endless soloing and killing 80 of this and 90 of that. Our prime focus is 1-1 and droppin it like it's hot unless you can afford to shell out for superb gear each tier.

    Our efficiency is widely brought out in places where it's not 1vs50, we kill fast but to play quickly for pve you shell out some cash or gain some hard bearings on your patience.

    Apothecary skill is also practically your best friend
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