Venomancer Genie Skills.

I'm using Celestial Sword (bwaah DD on genie, anyways i like it ), Holy path, Second wind and Tangling mire. All these skills with largest amount of Str possible on my genie (and they all require Str for bonuses how lucky i am ...).

I currently have...

Extreme Poison, Tree of Protection, Thunderstorm, Second Wind, and Holy Path. Though I really only use Tree and Second Wind with PvE purposes. I tend to forget my genie in PvP situations.

none use earthflame

Depending on your kill speed, tame isn't really free either. It uses a considerable chunk of mana if you've leveled it up. That mana has to come from somewhere, typically it's going to come from soul transfusion (lost damage, meaning lost kills) and hp potions or a genie (both represent coin). On top of that, there's the time factor of casting it, if you're killing slow such as say soloing FB89, where tame is used a lot... 5 seconds to tame (channel+cast after channeling reductions) on top of a say 30 second kill speed is slowing you down by almost 17%. If you're splitting stuff that dies faster for some odd reason, you can slow yourself down even more with the tame cast and then waiting on the cooldown.

Basically what it comes down to is the 200 stamina of earthflame (about 486 coin on dreamweaver, 1750 for 720 sta) compared with a small life potion, which in my case recovers 48% of my hp for 855 coin (and each tame uses 16%, so 285 coin spent on the heal per tame). Or, 285 coin for ~5 seconds. After 720 lures, 1 hour has been spent casting tame at a savings of 201 coin per tame (486-285). That's 144720 coin saved by standing around. Actually using that hour to have killed stuff would have brought you more coin.

In short, tame isn't cheaper.

kenlee wrote: »

none use earthflame

Earthflame is my most-used genie skill. Second Wind/Tree is next (I deliberately keep my hp low in caster form, and am able to use Second Wind to heal while spam healing when in robes). Extreme Poison third. Holy Path, Fortify, etc. I would never give up but they're extremely situational and rarely used. I'm trying to figure out a way to add Alpha Male to the mix, so my heavy veno can tank when we don't have a barb/BM. My projections for level 90 say that with cleric buffs I'll have about as much pdef as my herc, but 1k more hp.

[QUOTE=Brael - Dreamweaver;5952831On top of that, there's the time factor of casting it [tame], if you're killing slow such as say soloing FB89, where tame is used a lot... 5 seconds to tame (channel+cast after channeling reductions) on top of a say 30 second kill speed is slowing you down by almost 17%. If you're splitting stuff that dies faster for some odd reason, you can slow yourself down even more with the tame cast and then waiting on the cooldown.[/QUOTE]
The problem I'm running into now is that I've refined my pulling technique in BH79 and BH89 so much that if the group has more than 3 people, we kill stuff faster than my genie regenerates energy to use earthflame again. My genie has 85 magic so it's no slouch at regenerating energy either. A lot of times Amp doesn't even have time to recycle between mobs.

In those cases, I'm pretty much forced to use tame to pull. I'm still playing around with the timing, and with a 4-person group I think it's better just to wait for the genie to regen. So I'll do things like check for increased life or increased defense mobs, and pull those first. Or if there are two mobs, I'll just bring them both at once and have the herc tank both (or herc tanks the extra if we have a barb/BM and cleric).

In a 5-6 person group, the group does enough damage that they don't need me to DD. So I'm free to leave when the mob is at like 60% hp and start casting tame on the next mob. Usually this gets the next mob lured just as the previous one dies. The mp hit hurts (my tame is at level 6 unfortunately), but usually in a 5-6 person group there's a cleric.

Rather than waste valuable stat points pushing my genie's mag up above ~80, I'm thinking of just leveling up another zeal genie solely for pulling in those situations. Dump all its points into mag and get it up to like 100-120. That would let me lure once every 25-26 sec.

Basically what it comes down to is the 200 stamina of earthflame (about 486 coin on dreamweaver, 1750 for 720 sta) compared with a small life potion,

I haven't really mentioned it because I'm still not willing to divulge my source. But I still get my genie stamina for around 0.3-0.5 coin per stmaina. So the 200 stamina for earthflame only costs me about 60-100 coin, nowhere near 486 coin. Competition has slowly been building in this market (I used to be able to get it for 0.2-0.25 coin per stamina), meaning there are a lot of other people who feed their genies the same way. So not everybody is bound by the same price constraint on spamming genie skills.

Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I get it rather cheap as well (or did until I got lazy with xenomonster quests), but there's still a market value on it. Paying .3 coin/stamina when it sells for 2.5 coin means you're still losing out on that potential coin.

Not for the mid-grade stones. The yiyuan and perfect stones sell rather well. But to move the mid-grade stones at anywhere near the volume at which I could get them would probably require prices below 1 coin per stamina. People just don't know and don't want to bother to learn the proper pricing for those stones. They're content knowing the pricing on only the lowest and highest grade stones.

Heck, when I set up a cat shop selling these immediately after genies came out, I blew out my remaining stock of mid-grade stones at 0.7 per stamina to free up that computer so I could switch it back to a much more profitable cat shop. The perfect stones I put on there at 1.4 per stamina still sold out faster.

I'd look through each genie skill personally. 2 pages and no one mentioned Absolute Domain.

From: http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/genieskill.php

Genie lvl 55
Spirit 13.620
Metal 4 - Water 4 - Earth 4

Range 5 meters
Energy 135
Stamina 999
Instant
Cooldown 180 seconds
Requisite Class All

Makes yourself and all allies within 5 meters immune to all damage for 2.2 seconds
and immune to immobilization for 2 seconds afterwards.

I just tried this at level 1 and then hit Feral Concentration. I typically have greater than -30% channeling. My guess is ~12 seconds of dmg immunity with ~10 of those having total freedom.

There are some other ones not often mentioned that look great as well.