Best PVP class? answer here

obivously ppl go with arguments that can't even come close to real, 30% crit mage wtf? wiz same def as bm wtf? wiz one shotting ppl with high refined mdef gears wtf?

learn the game instead of grinding brain out.

We go on with max lvl here which is 104 and with the same possible gear which is most of times tt100~tt99

Even a cleric has more than 10k hp in pwi. I don't know about your wiz hp but veno prob has more.

To Ursa - Dreamweaver(lol)
Played a barb (lvl 99) vs a Heavy armor Veno with lunar ****? guess not.
Talks about lvl 150 wiz that dont even exist and random customizations of pserver.

Veno probably has around 10~15k with lion rex armor set and 5~6k mdef with high refined lunar ornaments.

I would like to see someone constantly running away from 10ms foxes (except flying away + distance till end of world which obiviously pwns anyone)

to Gasoline - Lost City
Your only 2 non-exergerated ( noob english) comments are that wiz are uber with grade 8 rank and the last comment which may just a point of unluckyness. Because I always get armor broken, not even the highest pdef can help you surviving a nix. As far as i know the wood def reduce + 3 x amps (fox, genie, "human" form) kills every single character. (unless u pull out every single genie skill to protect urself then he still managed to take more of you than he waste)

to Joshcja - Sanctuary
ty for not going below zero being braindead. Your post is actually the most acceptable of these 3.

veno does only use 3 spells /genie spells & phoenix can be used along/ so its not that long actually.

pointing to this sentence:
cleric will sleep your nix
^ true. But veno will strip your buffs and outdamages you also. (depending on genie skill useage)
wizzie will just nuke you
^ with their lvl 79 debuff all you need to do is using the genie 5 sec immunity skill or immortal pot(if im allowed to say it like that) which stuns you. (this can be dodged by using Summer Sprint), if all of these wont work, your dead, true. (as i said veno & wizard are kind of gods for pvp.)

bm will use somthing known as "stuns"
^ doesnt work on summersprint.

other venos can do the same thing
^ sure they can

and barbs just dont care cause all that STILL wolnt break their charm
^ mentioned earlier

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

nothing beats a mage with a credit card :x

rikako wrote: »

obivously ppl go with arguments that can't even come close to real, 30% crit mage wtf? wiz same def as bm wtf? wiz one shotting ppl with high refined mdef gears wtf?

learn the game instead of grinding brain out.

We go on with max lvl here which is 104 and with the same possible gear which is most of times tt100~tt99

Even a cleric has more than 10k hp in pwi. I don't know about your wiz hp but veno prob has more.

To Ursa - Dreamweaver(lol)
Played a barb (lvl 99) vs a Heavy armor Veno with lunar ****? guess not.
Talks about lvl 150 wiz that dont even exist and random customizations of pserver.

Veno probably has around 10~15k with lion rex armor set and 5~6k mdef with high refined lunar ornaments.

I would like to see someone constantly running away from 10ms foxes (except flying away + distance till end of world which obiviously pwns anyone)

to Gasoline - Lost City
Your only 2 non-exergerated ( noob english) comments are that wiz are uber with grade 8 rank and the last comment which may just a point of unluckyness. Because I always get armor broken, not even the highest pdef can help you surviving a nix. As far as i know the wood def reduce + 3 x amps (fox, genie, "human" form) kills every single character. (unless u pull out every single genie skill to protect urself then he still managed to take more of you than he waste)

to Joshcja - Sanctuary
ty for not going below zero being braindead. Your post is actually the most acceptable of these 3.

veno does only use 3 spells /genie spells & phoenix can be used along/ so its not that long actually.

pointing to this sentence:
cleric will sleep your nix
^ true. But veno will strip your buffs and outdamages you also. (depending on genie skill useage)
wizzie will just nuke you
^ with their lvl 79 debuff all you need to do is using the genie 5 sec immunity skill or immortal pot(if im allowed to say it like that) which stuns you. (this can be dodged by using Summer Sprint), if all of these wont work, your dead, true. (as i said veno & wizard are kind of gods for pvp.)

bm will use somthing known as "stuns"
^ doesnt work on summersprint.

other venos can do the same thing
^ sure they can

and barbs just dont care cause all that STILL wolnt break their charm
^ mentioned earlier

stop posting. if your talking about a veno that geared, and a wiz with the same gear. the wiz will one shot the nix before you even get in casting distance of the wiz. GG

barb will armaggeddon and one shot you and your nix.

rikako wrote: »

bla bla...

b:chuckleb:bye

rikako wrote: »

^ unless u can one shot a bm with perdition, i guess not.

^ whats with all the one shotting, wiz without lvl 79 skill cant do a ****

1hitting a bm is easy, espeacially when he is low on hp.b:bye

most wizard above lvl79 got undineb:bye

rikako wrote: »

^ unless u can one shot a bm with perdition, i guess not.

^ whats with all the one shotting, wiz without lvl 79 skill cant do a ****.

What wizard doesn't have undine? Oneshotting phoenixes is easy even for me and my crappy weapon and vit build

Miss_erye - Harshlands wrote: »

1hitting a bm is easy, espeacially when he is low on hp.b:bye

If they don't have full HP it's not a oneshot, are you ****? Oneshot = damage > max HP.

to rikako ya being called the "least braindead" that just makes me all warm and fuzzy inside

last i looked summer sprint gives no stun imunity whatsoever and if your refering to the "run foree while nix bleeds" strategem ....RotP still caches you easy and a nix cant kill a HA class through charm on its own

9x wizzie with high refines...gg

leave geni and apoth pots out of your arguments people unless the skills are class only skills or well known class skill/geni combos

these things are availibal to ALL classes saying "HA bm stuns? vac pot...amp break etc" ya....*purify pots*

in theory these can be used to counter just about anything

oh and a barb with enough hp CAN one shot a bm with armageddon (let MY die) 15k hp (1/2 of 30k) x4 +4k + 1k mp x4 is 38k damage after 75% pvp redution thats 9.5k after armor 80% is average so 1.9k zerk crit that is x4 so 7.6k assuming extreme poison 20% thats 9.12k damage tangling mire (common barb skil) ToP (barbs use this on like every geni they have) and barb skill penatrate armor added in....well theres a dead bm for ya

anyone can rant off a broken set of debuffs and nukes the question is "can this work in pvp and how do i make it work?"

(before you flame me saying "you used geni skills in your post" yes i did bm specific skills or bm skill geni combos comonly used)

and to Miss_erye one hitting a bm thats at 10% hp ...ya anyone can one shot anyone (ok barbs dont count damit) at 10% hp

i'm the best class. a robe bm with a bow that have a nix that can heal me while i tank 5 end game wizards in tiger form.

rikako wrote: »

obivously ppl go with arguments that can't even come close to real, 30% crit mage wtf? wiz same def as bm wtf? wiz one shotting ppl with high refined mdef gears wtf?

learn the game instead of grinding brain out.

We go on with max lvl here which is 104 and with the same possible gear which is most of times tt100~tt99

Even a cleric has more than 10k hp in pwi. I don't know about your wiz hp but veno prob has more.

To Ursa - Dreamweaver(lol)
Played a barb (lvl 99) vs a Heavy armor Veno with lunar ****? guess not.
Talks about lvl 150 wiz that dont even exist and random customizations of pserver.

Veno probably has around 10~15k with lion rex armor set and 5~6k mdef with high refined lunar ornaments.

I would like to see someone constantly running away from 10ms foxes (except flying away + distance till end of world which obiviously pwns anyone)

to Gasoline - Lost City
Your only 2 non-exergerated ( noob english) comments are that wiz are uber with grade 8 rank and the last comment which may just a point of unluckyness. Because I always get armor broken, not even the highest pdef can help you surviving a nix. As far as i know the wood def reduce + 3 x amps (fox, genie, "human" form) kills every single character. (unless u pull out every single genie skill to protect urself then he still managed to take more of you than he waste)

to Joshcja - Sanctuary
ty for not going below zero being braindead. Your post is actually the most acceptable of these 3.

veno does only use 3 spells /genie spells & phoenix can be used along/ so its not that long actually.

pointing to this sentence:
cleric will sleep your nix
^ true. But veno will strip your buffs and outdamages you also. (depending on genie skill useage)
wizzie will just nuke you
^ with their lvl 79 debuff all you need to do is using the genie 5 sec immunity skill or immortal pot(if im allowed to say it like that) which stuns you. (this can be dodged by using Summer Sprint), if all of these wont work, your dead, true. (as i said veno & wizard are kind of gods for pvp.)

bm will use somthing known as "stuns"
^ doesnt work on summersprint.

other venos can do the same thing
^ sure they can

and barbs just dont care cause all that STILL wolnt break their charm
^ mentioned earlier

lol this guy's biased opinions are funny. it seems like he don't even look at the other side. I mean a HA veno i'd probably 1 shot with tempest or a twin sparked wield thunder (higher if I was a higher lvl) and this is all assuming i'm letting you get close to me in the first place. in pk you realize that I can jump you. besides go ahead use physical dmg which sill goes off ur magic wep even in fox form (mele masry helps this) and physical damage with a mp charm i just toss up a plume shell and laugh as you try to combo me before ur taking alittle nap or ur nix is already asleep. a bm with good dex and will of the budhi would probably just evade every attack you throw at him non magical so gl with nix even hitting him for 15 seconds while he **** you to death. barbs with a stun twin axe could also stun lock you if they get lucky but yea ur best vs them with ur insane pdef. wizzies can get pdef higher then bm if their LA or have good pdef sharding with stone barrier (assuming bm isnt using alter marrow physical) an archer would also just lightning you to death. the amount of str you'd need to keep decent HA on plus ur mag weapon would make ur vitality laughable and you'd die real fast to any type of element with mid hp and crappy mdef. and I don't know about you but not many clerics can get 10k hp and call it normal like (even clerics get 10k hp). play the actual game non private servers and you'll realize godly gear isn't nearly as plausible as you think it is. and I really really hope you don't expect to actually get that full combo off. and summer sprint is 6 seconds of immunity to movement debuffs in which I can use one holy path in the opposite direction and it's duration is the same and easily outspeeds 10m per second. toss on a vacuity powder and i'm immune for longer. i mean really, and you also mentioned to look at the skill cast times to tell that it's not that fast which shows what you know. all skills normally last a fraction longer then it says on the skill description and just the way you put it seems like you don't got much experience in it yoruself as it and more of a speculation. once you can find me in game and actually manage to pull that off vs me a lvl 73 cleric which could cancel it before you could say boo and laugh as this all mighty veno is taking a nap for the next 24 seconds. Wizzies can kill a veno in 1 shot at those lvls if they pull it off right. if ur HA it's just gonna make it easier so that 1 gush probably would kill you considering ur hp would be low as all hell (speaking plausable in the actual game withought spending a year getting everything in which the wizzie could do the same). vs a pure veno they got blade tempest.

PS: your not god and every class has their strong abilities to negate something else. just because you think you can avoid everything and cast everythign in the 6 seconds of sprint while hoping your enemy will just sit there then your dead wrong. oh and sry for the wall of text (probably gonna be some grammer errors and repetitiveness)

rikako wrote: »

obivously ppl go with arguments that can't even come close to real, 30% crit mage wtf? wiz same def as bm wtf? wiz one shotting ppl with high refined mdef gears wtf?

learn the game instead of grinding brain out.

We go on with max lvl here which is 104 and with the same possible gear which is most of times tt100~tt99

Even a cleric has more than 10k hp in pwi. I don't know about your wiz hp but veno prob has more.

To Ursa - Dreamweaver(lol)
Played a barb (lvl 99) vs a Heavy armor Veno with lunar ****? guess not.
Talks about lvl 150 wiz that dont even exist and random customizations of pserver.

Veno probably has around 10~15k with lion rex armor set and 5~6k mdef with high refined lunar ornaments.

I would like to see someone constantly running away from 10ms foxes (except flying away + distance till end of world which obiviously pwns anyone)

to Gasoline - Lost City
Your only 2 non-exergerated ( noob english) comments are that wiz are uber with grade 8 rank and the last comment which may just a point of unluckyness. Because I always get armor broken, not even the highest pdef can help you surviving a nix. As far as i know the wood def reduce + 3 x amps (fox, genie, "human" form) kills every single character. (unless u pull out every single genie skill to protect urself then he still managed to take more of you than he waste)

to Joshcja - Sanctuary
ty for not going below zero being braindead. Your post is actually the most acceptable of these 3.

veno does only use 3 spells /genie spells & phoenix can be used along/ so its not that long actually.

pointing to this sentence:
cleric will sleep your nix
^ true. But veno will strip your buffs and outdamages you also. (depending on genie skill useage)
wizzie will just nuke you
^ with their lvl 79 debuff all you need to do is using the genie 5 sec immunity skill or immortal pot(if im allowed to say it like that) which stuns you. (this can be dodged by using Summer Sprint), if all of these wont work, your dead, true. (as i said veno & wizard are kind of gods for pvp.)

bm will use somthing known as "stuns"
^ doesnt work on summersprint.

other venos can do the same thing
^ sure they can

and barbs just dont care cause all that STILL wolnt break their charm
^ mentioned earlier

this is the most fail arguement about PvP.

1. Venos actually kinda suck at PvP, They are the squishiest class.
2. Purge has like a 3 second cast time, my stun will **** venos by the time the casting of the purge is at 2 seconds.
3. Don't think venos are so special because they have "Purge", Archer's also of purge. It is called Heaven Shatter. Go look it up.
4. Heavy venos fail. a Heavy veno my level vs me would get ****. Only tanks should wear heavy. With low magic defense and low hp, an archers thunder would be ****.
5. summer sprint isnt anti stun, it isnt even that fast. wings of protection/wings of grace/elven aclarity/ is wayyy faster.
6. I have met level 60 venos that says they can **** anyone in the game because they have "Bramble Hood", I have beaten 90+ venos that use hood and still i owned them. Wow, 75% less damage... big deal. Invoke the spirit owns hood. Some venos are also dumb enough to think hood reflects on range and magic attacks. They also think they can tank a world boss because of it.

Overall, venos are bad for Pvp/pk

i was pissed when i found out that bms have anti stun at 59, and barbs have have anti stun at 79, and now FRICKING VENO???? **** that. I WANT ARCHERS TO ONLY HAVE ANTI STUN>

'sin for the win? b:surrender

Mkhan - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wiz's would be higher if half of them stopped giving up and rerolling to something else.

But as for the best PvP class I find Barb and Wiz

As for the worst...Blademasters =/

Dont be a Butt wipe BMS KICK BUTT!

Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is archer really the best? I have a 94 demon archer and I want to make another character on a PvP server but not an archer. Opinion? I'm thinking maybe assassin but everyones making one. Then barb because of high hp. But cleric heals XD. I'm looking to make a TW character.

Sage wizard = pwn for pvp/tw.

just don't duel people as a wizard. Because you will lose. PK the same person you just lost the duel to and i bet you they die.

WIAAAAZZUURRDD

fact of the matter is we can all argue till we are blue in the face. no one class is better than the other its all about how u lvl and play your character. im an archer and i get pwned by lower lvl ppl all the time in pk mode but swith over to killing mobs and i can do more damage than ppl 10 lvls higher than me. my point is its all how u build and play your character. what skills u invest in and what attribute points u get. and thats not even touching on gear and such. each class has strengths and weaknesses in both pve and pvp enviroments. anyways thats just my opinion take it or leave it but i think we have better things to spend our time on than argueing about this

Rathaman - Lost City wrote: »

Well, i play pwi for a year now...i chose bm for main because i like meele class...As i was lvlin my bm, i noticed that in pve bms are great, easy grindin, allot of coins etc...As for pvp my opinion is that bms are not even close to good rate...( allot of bms will start yelling noooo u r a noob etc even from these that went high lvl from oracles) ....but i am convinsed that in comparison with the other classes bms are not match for.
Allot of ppl mentioned on forum that Perfect World is magic oriented as many others mmo games and i agree with that, the power in game comes from wiz veno cleric and in crit rate scale from archers.

I am not an expert in pvp or as good as other players but i am not a retarted i know what skills to use and when.. i can say for sure bms need more power.
Why i am sayin that u wonder...for start 4 to 6 classes use distanse attack (i am not includin new race cause is too soon to make any prediction)..that means that the bm has to get close in order to strike..
Senario: ok bm makes it and reach for his first attack and then what the hell!!!the range class runs and hit u again...there we go again tryin to reach.....Ok u understand my point right? (the experienced bms will start again, we have stun skills etc., but that is not enough cause we are not dealin here with mobs but with players...they know we go for stun.) if we use 4 weapons way our hp will be low and that is true.
Even with 30 base vit and +5 refine my hp is near 7k.
Ok other classes are squishy or can be taken down in 4 or 5 hits (except HA veno and barbs) but u have to reach them.
I think this is our huge dissadvantage and makes us as bms food to rage ppl. And every1 else sayin that is not true well srry. Just to wonderin about the success rate of the bm in pvp is like 10% (same range lvl and not killin low lvls) and that 10% is just luck in most cases or lack of skills of the opposite player.
i have seen on forum strategies or claimes from bms that can deal huge damage but as far as i can see there is no such thing from bm.And i am not doin something wrong with my bm build wise or gear usin gx+5 or zerk sword +5. and dont start like hf+bla+bla+bla......=dead ..ok?when a normal attack from wiz or cleric can hurt as hell or a nix bleed 1k each time...
there is no balance in game in my opinion.
I didnt mention barbs cause although they have the same dissadvantage as bms their hp gives them the ability to overcome (in most cases) and to last longer in a 1v1 fight.

I do agree that magic classes have an advantage in PW. I don't agree that BM's only win 10% of the time and that the 10% is either luck or lack of skill on the other player's part. Key point is to use multiple weapons. blahblah lack of hp, I'm 3 vit and I still have 7.5k hp. Even if ranged classes know that your stun is coming, it doesn't prevent them from being hit by it.

The key thing to realize as a bm is that a couple hits from a magic class will take you out, whereas you need at least 5 seconds of constant damage to kill them. That's where our stuns come in handy. If they are using anti-stun, simply avoid them. Without a way to stop their attacks after a couple hits from a wiz you're going down simple as that. Keep up the pressure, with 7k+ hp you can take a few hits before going down. When you're about to die stun, or if you can't stun run away. Just because we're a melee class does not mean that we have to always charge in, assess the situation first. Our biggest advantage is our versatility and ability to adapt to different situations. While this may sounds really obvious and stupid it's definitely true. Axes for the extra stun/HF, Pole for range, Sword for single target spikes and Myriad, and fists for dps. Bms have to change up their moves in order to win. Classes such as wiz can just sit there, undine, then spam skills and bam opponent's dead. Bms can't just sit there and stunlock over and over because then the other person will know exactly how to counter it.

Personally I only use axes/fist, and being honest in single PvP i use fists about 80% and axes about 20% of the time. Yes some classes such as Wiz are very easy to win with, when a wiz can hit you for 9.5k dmg even when you have 9k+ magic def then yeah you can't really do much, but just experiment with different tactics. The only extra effort that BMs have to make is that they have to think a bit more to win.