Tide Form is useless.

andracil
andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Psychic
Just something I noticed while playing. You can't use your skills while in Tide Form (only physicals, so assassins may have SOME use for it), and it only increases your movement speed and defense level, making it useful only for travelling.
Tideborn were supposed to be excellent fighters in the water, but this just means they're the same as everyone else. They have no advantages underwater whatsoever.
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  • XxSadKidxX - Heavens Tear
    XxSadKidxX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Big oops there. x.x
  • Centetric - Lost City
    Centetric - Lost City Posts: 1,528 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    agreed D:
    that fails D:
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Aww, that's really disappointing. =<
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    What a shame...and to see you post it andi makes me wonder how disappointing this release might be.
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  • Nexina - Lost City
    Nexina - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Big Hype = Big letdown?


    :( I hope not. Maybe it's something they could alter in the patch, as it seems there's some stuff already in the works (ie the facial customizations, etc). But yeah, I would assume that the TB would be able to use their skills underwater, as it makes next to no sense that they can't use them.
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I was actually thinking the same, Hisuna. =(
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I'm really liking the Psychic though, it's just this that really disappointed me.
    Also, Psychics seem to have the capability of surpassing a Barb's defensive power. Level 1 of the Defense Level skill increases your Defense lvl by a whopping 36 (That's 36% less damage!) though decreases attack lvl by 54, sending it far into the negative =P
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    I'm really liking the Psychic though, it's just this that really disappointed me.
    Also, Psychics seem to have the capability of surpassing a Barb's defensive power. Level 1 of the Defense Level skill increases your Defense lvl by a whopping 36 (That's 36% less damage!) though decreases attack lvl by 54, sending it far into the negative =P

    Any word on the cooldown of those inc/dec skills? I wish I could play but I can't yet due to work. If those skills can be cast as quickly as BM marrow skills it could be ridiculous for pvp.
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cooldown 8 seconds. They last 60 seconds when cast.
    Effects of level 2 skills:
    -Black Voodoo : +13.2 Attack level -6.2 Defense level
    -White Voodoo : +39.6 Defense level -59 Attack level

    Note that they overwrite each other and have separate cooldown timers.
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  • Hisuna - Sanctuary
    Hisuna - Sanctuary Posts: 1,071 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    Cooldown 8 seconds. They last 60 seconds when cast.
    Effects of level 2 skills:
    -Black Voodoo : +13.2 Attack level -6.2 Defense level
    -White Voodoo : +39.6 Defense level -59 Attack level

    Note that they overwrite each other and have separate cooldown timers.

    I would figure that they overwrite each other...but that cooldown is too long for it to be practical for switching back and forth rapidly in a fight. Oh well. The attack level one will be great for DD and the def level will be great as an "oh snap" button. Thanks Andi.
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  • Nexina - Lost City
    Nexina - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    I'm really liking the Psychic though, it's just this that really disappointed me.
    Also, Psychics seem to have the capability of surpassing a Barb's defensive power. Level 1 of the Defense Level skill increases your Defense lvl by a whopping 36 (That's 36% less damage!) though decreases attack lvl by 54, sending it far into the negative =P

    I haven't had the chance to log in as it's still updating for me, but I'm kind of curious to how a Psychic plans on attacking when their attack lvl is negative. Does having a negative attack level essentially negate your attacks during the duration of the skill? Or does it just exponentially decrease the amount you hit for (ie instead of hitting for normal of 100 dmg, you hit for like 2 or whatever)?
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  • andracil
    andracil Posts: 2,949 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Well yeah, -59 Attack level 59% less damage. BUT Psychics have skills that absorb and reflect damage, stun their attacker, etc. They seem to be very capable tanks to me.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    whut?
    fishy form is still useful...just like druids in 3 letter acronym game.
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    simple....use it to...escape.
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    and to travel faster in water.
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  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    Well yeah, -59 Attack level 59% less damage. BUT Psychics have skills that absorb and reflect damage, stun their attacker, etc. They seem to be very capable tanks to me.

    btw if ur really sharing info how this reflect dmg works if a wiz cast a spell that gonna hit the spyc for about 5k dmg is it gonna reflect back to the wiz? and is it a debuff that cast on the attker or a buff that self cast as protection
  • Nexina - Lost City
    Nexina - Lost City Posts: 41 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    Well yeah, -59 Attack level 59% less damage. BUT Psychics have skills that absorb and reflect damage, stun their attacker, etc. They seem to be very capable tanks to me.

    Ahh. Doesn't seem too bad then. Gah, I can't wait to give it a go myself. 50% done downloading, only 4 more hours to go. QQ


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  • Drazothesas - Dreamweaver
    Drazothesas - Dreamweaver Posts: 20 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I can't make a firm decision on which class I prefer yet since my sin is only level 6, but I do like 2 - 3 shotting mobs from afar. b:victory

    As for the TB form, it has saved me from a few schools of aggro fish twice. Those stupid bonebiters protecting the treasure chests were as vicious as hell....
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  • PsyIcy - Sanctuary
    PsyIcy - Sanctuary Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    If I recall. In the Chinese Videos, they could use Skills.
    Dunno whats wrong now.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    PsyIcy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If I recall. In the Chinese Videos, they could use Skills.
    Dunno whats wrong now.

    link me to teh video or else you were teh hallucinating.
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  • Seablue - Sanctuary
    Seablue - Sanctuary Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    andracil wrote: »
    I'm really liking the Psychic though, it's just this that really disappointed me.
    Also, Psychics seem to have the capability of surpassing a Barb's defensive power. Level 1 of the Defense Level skill increases your Defense lvl by a whopping 36 (That's 36% less damage!) though decreases attack lvl by 54, sending it far into the negative =P

    Nah it's less than 36%. Defense lvl calculates after the p/mdef reduction. Or else with 64% pdef reduction and 36% def lvl you take no damage, and that's not happening.

    Ex:
    If you have 30% phy reduction, then you would take 70% of the damage. That 70% is then further reduced by 36%. So you now only suffers 44.8%. On the whole that 36% def lvl only offers 25.2% extra.

    That number will get lower and lower as the reduction % goes up. If you have 70% phy reduction, that means 30% less damage. The def lvl then takes out 36% from that 30% damage which makes you suffer 10.8% less damage.

    Not as good as you might expect, but def lvl is the only thing that defend against both mag/phy attack.


    EDIT: Now that I think about it since it's possible for psy to get more than 100% def lvl, the rules on def lvl might have changed.
  • Phantin - Dreamweaver
    Phantin - Dreamweaver Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I am having a hard time deciding which Tideborn class to be. What do each of them look like in their different forms? (fish and tide form?)
  • MorgulLord - Sanctuary
    MorgulLord - Sanctuary Posts: 270 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I used the Def and Attack buff based on the mobs i'm hunting. I'm going pure Arcane Psychic. So,

    For magic mobs - I use the attack buff.
    For melee mobs - I use the def buff.

    Seems to have worked well so far.


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  • FoxRunning - Heavens Tear
    FoxRunning - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,048 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    sounds like it would be a waste of spirt points to get that skill then. like buying the veno's swimming mastery, which is also nerfed into uselessness. getting Tide Form would just be for those who like the pretty mermaid...

    now i really dont know if i want to bother with this. should just stick with my cleric, who has a hell of a lot better skill tree....i was shocked to see how few skills a TB can get

    andracil wrote: »
    Just something I noticed while playing. You can't use your skills while in Tide Form (only physicals, so assassins may have SOME use for it), and it only increases your movement speed and defense level, making it useful only for travelling.
    Tideborn were supposed to be excellent fighters in the water, but this just means they're the same as everyone else. They have no advantages underwater whatsoever.
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  • Pegasi - Lost City
    Pegasi - Lost City Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Sadness, I hope they fix the tideform, sounds like they just kinda biffed it and missed something. ]:
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  • Kastielle - Heavens Tear
    Kastielle - Heavens Tear Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I was gutted... just turned into a fishybird for the first time and found I couldnt use any of my skills - that sux !
  • DrawtheTide - Heavens Tear
    DrawtheTide - Heavens Tear Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    can I just say how much I love soul of mirror? it's like bramble guard but bramble only works with close range melee, mirror works with melee AND magic mobs ^^ :D im so happy bout that. That with white voodoo it doesn't matter how much your att sucks the mob still takes dmf. GO PSY'S!!!!
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  • Hermeleentje - Harshlands
    Hermeleentje - Harshlands Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I noticed u actually can attack, but it's just the normal 1, it's pretty fast but u really need to use ur mirror or u'll die b:chuckle
  • Sacrifice - Raging Tide
    Sacrifice - Raging Tide Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    ah, i agree. i got it because i figure it'd save me time traveling [til i got my reindeer mount b:shocked] but i got swarmed by noob monsters and almost died >:] so i realized what a waste it was b:chuckle oh well. thats the only thing i found super disappointing besides the lack of customization lol
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    Jer - Dreamweaver Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    If i made this post, it would get closed xD but not hereb:surrender
  • SilverCleric - Lost City
    SilverCleric - Lost City Posts: 1,969 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I agree Tide Form is kinda useless sense you barely go in the water and there are VERY FEW water based quests so that's one useless skill you should leave at lvl 1.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    whut?
    fishy form is still useful...just like druids in 3 letter acronym game.
    b:chuckle
    simple....use it to...escape.
    b:sweat....
    and to travel faster in water.
    X_X'
    (before you get a fast tideborn wing of course)

    ^refer to mah earlier post....
    okies me will make a slight mention to teh 3 letter acronym game....
    Manatee form....be teh analogue to fishy form....
    now me strangely enough had a druid alt.
    (o.O)'
    and me killed people through teh use of teh environment......
    *course can't do that here since...there be no underwater air limit.*
    but still
    other usage be...to escape...it be pretty obvious that be what it was designed for...(faster swim + increased defense level...)
    b:sweat

    also *cough* teh developers wanted you to swim all the way to arch..../sarcasm.
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