channeling gear

Cholla - Harshlands
Cholla - Harshlands Posts: 132 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Wizard
So...

According to posters with a lot of channeling gear, gear that reduces channeling also reduces casting time. But, effects which eliminate channeling time restore casting time. This means, for example that if you have 51% channeling gear, you would cast gush slower in sutra than outside of sutra. But each spell has its own threshold -- if you had 76% channeling gear, you would cast diving pyrogram faster outside of sutra than in sutra.

In other words:
-chan% +dps% 
    0%    0%
    3%    3%
    6%    6%
    9%   10%
   12%   14%
   15%   18%
   18%   22%
   21%   27%
   24%   32%
   27%   37%
   30%   43%
   33%   49%
   36%   56%
   39%   64%
   42%   72%
   45%   82%
   48%   92%
   51%  104%
   54%  117%
   57%  133%
   60%  150%
   63%  170%
   66%  194%
   69%  223%
   72%  257%
   75%  300%
   78%  355%
   81%  426%
   84%  525%
   87%  669%

Of course there are limits, since cooldowns do not change.

But I believe demons are in a better position to take advantage of this than sages, since demons get reduced channeling from demon spark or from demon wellspring quaff. But I am not certain if those effects reduce casting time (like gear) or just channeling time.

Does anyone know if demon bonuses work exactly like gear bonuses?

[Still... critical hit is capped, you can only get +100% dps from critical hits, since your crit chance can not go over 100 (and your critical hit dps bonus multiplies with your dps bonus from channeling increases).]
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  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Except that casting time never changes even when I have -30% channeling and red bubble. Unless you're going to try convincing people that it only works for demon wizards and not sages? Good luck.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • wnight
    wnight Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    here is fun part: RB OVERRIDES effect of Sutra+ Advanced sparks tested Yesterday during TT. Me wonders if RB not overrides effect of items? if it does then channelling items in conjuction with RB became pure useless junk.b:shocked

    P.S "If it's well known" fact good for you , i just haven't payed much attention to it but yesterday it was just annoyed really badly( boss kills were too long due to fact that party was lower than it should be) b:surrender
  • Mosabi - Heavens Tear
    Mosabi - Heavens Tear Posts: 378 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    There are -casting gear that I have seen in a private server once..
    Is Back once more.

    sorry med school needs some time.
  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    using demon/sage spark on a wiz is such a waste imo sutra + double spark or sutra + faw skills and a ult is more dmg + u gain almost a spark from using sutra (if u use it right)
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Casting time CAN'T be reduced. Simple as that.
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    Yeah, it's me. Don't read to much into it, though; I'm only here for myself now, killin' time and chillin' when need-be. So sue me. Tch...
  • wnight
    wnight Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    "using demon/sage spark on a wiz is such a waste imo sutra + double spark or sutra + faw skills and a ult is more dmg + u gain almost a spark from using sutra (if u use it right)"

    Now take a deep breath and write in more clear way. Myself not using sparks at boss fights except for refilling mana pool. My concern is that if all that chase after channel gear justified since it's already can be seen that some skills are **** effects from ch.gear. Moreover i'm certain on fast channel skills aka Gush,Pyro,Stone the channel gear has 0 effect even when it surpasses 50%. b:surrender
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    using demon/sage spark on a wiz is such a waste imo sutra + double spark or sutra + faw skills and a ult is more dmg + u gain almost a spark from using sutra (if u use it right)
    You're an idiot.

    - Sage triple sparking everytime you can means you can DD without using up any mana whatsoever
    - You can't gain a full spark from sutra unless you're hoping for a sage pyro proc, even if you get 3 skills in alongside an ult that's at most 45 chi
    - Get to at least 89 before you post random ****, you have no idea what you're talking about
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • DaBoZZ - Lost City
    DaBoZZ - Lost City Posts: 31 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i have - 80 %(not exactly) channeling on a private server b:shocked
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    - Get to at least 89 before you post random ****, you have no idea what you're talking about

    I'm 90. RANDOM **** TIME!!

    b:dirtyb:dirtyb:dirtyb:dirty
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  • Sage_Sora - Dreamweaver
    Sage_Sora - Dreamweaver Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    - Get to at least 89 before you post random ****, you have no idea what you're talking about

    The level at which you post random **** merely tells how long you've been posting random ****.
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    For now, I will believe that red bubble prevents casting time from being reduced.

    Since I have seen several claims that channeling gear reduces casting time I am probably going to have to test for this, myself, before finally committing to sage/demon if no one can produce credible test results showing otherwise.

    Quotes or GTFO.

    b:angry
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    For now, I will believe that red bubble prevents casting time from being reduced.

    Since I have seen several claims that channeling gear reduces casting time I am probably going to have to test for this, myself, before finally committing to sage/demon if no one can produce credible test results showing otherwise.

    I also think, that -channeling gear doesn't influence to casting time. Try it on private server and then write it here. b:victory
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  • Sage_Sora - Dreamweaver
    Sage_Sora - Dreamweaver Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    For now, I will believe that red bubble prevents casting time from being reduced.

    Since I have seen several claims that channeling gear reduces casting time I am probably going to have to test for this, myself, before finally committing to sage/demon if no one can produce credible test results showing otherwise.

    Those "claims" are probably dumping the casting and channeling time into one block. Each spell has a separate amount of time for channel and cast, so -% channel gear is going to reduce channeling time and not affect casting time in the slightest.
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  • Ponza - Lost City
    Ponza - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Sage_Sora - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Those "claims" are probably dumping the casting and channeling time into one block. Each spell has a separate amount of time for channel and cast, so -% channel gear is going to reduce channeling time and not affect casting time in the slightest.

    It's just perception imo. -channel makes the "channel" animation happen faster, and then you think that the casting animation is moving faster than it should. Try to view it objectively, my mage casts the same speed whether @ -30 channel or -1% channel.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    For now, I will believe that red bubble prevents casting time from being reduced. This is disappointing because I think demon spark does the same kind of thing that red bubble does.

    Since I have seen several claims that channeling gear reduces casting time I am probably going to have to test for this, myself, before finally committing to sage/demon if no one can produce credible test results showing otherwise.

    I really don't understand why you keep believing that -channeling time affects casting time at all. Besides the fact that people have tested it with reasonable amounts of -chan and stuff, it wouldn't make sense to affect casting with -chan. I can only guess that the devs came up with skills having a channeling and casting time to allow for reduced times for skills getting off.. but setting a maximum amount it can be reduced (so during a sutra.. you couldn't spam every skill you have and basically insta kill anything that moves). If the devs were set on allowing no chan/cast skills.. they would have lumped them together and allowed you to reduce that time by some %. The name alone should tell you that - channeling affects the channeling time, and not the casting =\
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  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    You're an idiot.

    - Sage triple sparking everytime you can means you can DD without using up any mana whatsoever
    - You can't gain a full spark from sutra unless you're hoping for a sage pyro proc, even if you get 3 skills in alongside an ult that's at most 45 chi
    - Get to at least 89 before you post random ****, you have no idea what you're talking about

    lol im a idiot .

    ur a ur a prick u think lvls means knowledge first off i said almost a spark not a spark learn to read plz . + u can cast about 4 skills on sutra each skill is about 15 chi 60 chi is allmost a spark and if u think to use sage spark just not to waste mana i pity evrey squad ur in lol cheap wiz and to cast 3 spells + a ult is still better imo then sage spark or even double spark + sutra
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    lol im a idiot .

    ur a ur a prick u think lvls means knowledge first off i said almost a spark not a spark learn to read plz . + u can cast about 4 skills on sutra each skill is about 15 chi 60 chi is allmost a spark and if u think to use sage spark just not to waste mana i pity evrey squad ur in lol cheap wiz and to cast 3 spells + a ult is still better imo then sage spark or even double spark + sutra

    Sage Spark + 2 Spark Apoth Pot + Sutra (or Ult) + (Spells if Sutra) = THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST
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  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Sage Spark + 2 Spark Apoth Pot + Sutra (or Ult) + (Spells if Sutra) = THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST

    yep but i was comparing it to plain sage spark not sage spark + chi pots + chi skill + w/e
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    yep but i was comparing it to plain sage spark not sage spark + chi pots + chi skill + w/e

    It still counts.

    THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST THE BEST
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    Yeah, it's me. Don't read to much into it, though; I'm only here for myself now, killin' time and chillin' when need-be. So sue me. Tch...
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Cholla - Harshlands wrote: »
    Search does not go back far enough for me to find the claim where someone had 100% casting gear and they unloaded all of their spells in under a second. If someone has a link, though, could they post it here for Konariraiden?

    But I did find: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=4874852&postcount=41

    Hm...not bad, Miss Cholla, not bad...

    ...but like the quote states, it affects it indirectly. The chanting "animation" of your character CHARGIN THEIR LAZER is sped up, as is the animation of FIRIN' THEIR LAZER...but in actuality, the time it takes for aforementioned LAZER to PWN your opponent (aka, LOSER), is still the same.
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    Yeah, it's me. Don't read to much into it, though; I'm only here for myself now, killin' time and chillin' when need-be. So sue me. Tch...
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    lol im a idiot .

    ur a ur a prick u think lvls means knowledge first off i said almost a spark not a spark learn to read plz . + u can cast about 4 skills on sutra each skill is about 15 chi 60 chi is allmost a spark and if u think to use sage spark just not to waste mana i pity evrey squad ur in lol cheap wiz and to cast 3 spells + a ult is still better imo then sage spark or even double spark + sutra

    Kristoph is a high lvl and knows what he is doing. He isn't exactly nice to people on forums.. but that doesn't mean he isn't right. 60 chi is 60% of a spark.. and thats not almost a spark in my book. On top of the fact that sage spark saves mp.. it also does more dps than anything else you can do. For example... testing my dmg on a 7x arcane mage... (no amp/undine etc) I did about 2k with gush.. 3.7k with BIDS..3k with double spark gush.. and 3.3k with triple spark gush. Keep in mind that the extra dmg on BIDS is for one skill.. while you can use usually 5 on double spark and 6 skills on triple spark (assuming gush/pyro combo and very little lag).
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  • Ponza - Lost City
    Ponza - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Adroit - Lost City wrote: »
    Kristoph is a high lvl and knows what he is doing. He isn't exactly nice to people on forums.. but that doesn't mean he isn't right. 60 chi is 60% of a spark.. and thats not almost a spark in my book. On top of the fact that sage spark saves mp.. it also does more dps than anything else you can do. For example... testing my dmg on a 7x arcane mage... (no amp/undine etc) I did about 2k with gush.. 3.7k with BIDS..3k with double spark gush.. and 3.3k with triple spark gush. Keep in mind that the extra dmg on BIDS is for one skill.. while you can use usually 5 on double spark and 6 skills on triple spark (assuming gush/pyro combo and very little lag).

    Yep only use for ult is if you're hitting multiple people at once, or trying to bypass charm...ults are some of the worst skills in terms of dps so it's really a gamble to use if you know the enemy has absolute domain or some other heal skill prepared...

    I like sage spark because I can basically treat it like a "super-mage" form...you're 25% harder to kill, and do almost double the damage, and you come out of the spark clean of all debuffs. It's hard to "waste" something that gives that many benefits.
  • Hizaki - Dreamweaver
    Hizaki - Dreamweaver Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    im in ur thread posting the random ****
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  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Hizaki - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    im in ur thread posting the random ****

    b:scornb:irritated
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    and a ult is more dmg + u gain almost a spark from using sutra
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    You can't gain a full spark from sutra unless you're hoping for a sage pyro proc, even if you get 3 skills in alongside an ult
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    lol im a idiot .

    ur a ur a prick u think lvls means knowledge first off i said almost a spark not a spark learn to read plz . + u can cast about 4 skills on sutra each skill is about 15 chi 60 chi is allmost a spark and if u think to use sage spark just not to waste mana i pity evrey squad ur in lol cheap wiz and to cast 3 spells + a ult is still better imo then sage spark or even double spark + sutra
    Read you idiot. Using an ult during sutra means no chi gain from it.

    Yes, levels do mean knowledge. Would you take advice from a lv50 on how to use sutra? No, because they've never used it before. You're absolutely clueless on how much DPS you get with triple spark. You do 3 weak hits plus a high hit, I hit for almost as much as lv10 dragon 6 times. If I crit on anything, which isn't unlikely with 13% crit, it's a lot more damage.

    You've never used triple spark, so for the love of God, shut up and stop talking as if you have. And lol you don't have to pity the squads I'm in, my guild loves to ask me to help out on HH runs.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »
    Read you idiot. Using an ult during sutra means no chi gain from it.

    Yes, levels do mean knowledge. Would you take advice from a lv50 on how to use sutra? No, because they've never used it before. You're absolutely clueless on how much DPS you get with triple spark. You do 3 weak hits plus a high hit, I hit for almost as much as lv10 dragon 6 times. If I crit on anything, which isn't unlikely with 13% crit, it's a lot more damage.

    You've never used triple spark, so for the love of God, shut up and stop talking as if you have. And lol you don't have to pity the squads I'm in, my guild loves to ask me to help out on HH runs.

    b:surprised

    Could you go out on a date & talk like this to a female please? Or, if you can't find a girl to go out with, go talk like this to a waitress somewhere please please? (and record it for youtube pretty please?)
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:surprised

    Could you go out on a date & talk like this to a female please? Or, if you can't find a girl to go out with, go talk like this to a waitress somewhere please please? (and record it for youtube pretty please?)

    You've now placed real-life situations in a virtual argument.

    Thus, you now lose.
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  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You've now placed real-life situations in a virtual argument.

    Thus, you now lose.

    It's not a game o.o

    I just want to see a person actually talk like that to someone else, preferably a male talking down to a female because chauvinism is hilarious.
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Ah...then...

    U B TROLLIN'
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Ok guys. Does has this guy casting time? He doesn't have channeling time but does he has casting time?
    http://zoome.jp/losstarot/movie_list/
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