Archers solo-ing bosses

LaFantasma - Dreamweaver
LaFantasma - Dreamweaver Posts: 12 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Archer
Is this possible? I'm a 59 archer and my guildies who are lower than me tell me they can solo bosses with ease. I want to know if archers just need help cause of amazingly low defense or if it's just me.

Thanks!
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  • Kpil - Lost City
    Kpil - Lost City Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Are there any specific bosses you're talking about?

    Any class can solo bosses way below their level.
  • Noxus - Dreamweaver
    Noxus - Dreamweaver Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Is this possible? I'm a 59 archer and my guildies who are lower than me tell me they can solo bosses with ease. I want to know if archers just need help cause of amazingly low defense or if it's just me.

    Thanks!

    Your guildies are Venos ? There is a lot of Bosses Venos can solo easly with their pets tanking.

    Happy Gaming

    Nox
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    at 5x i can solo farg. **** yeah!!!
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  • daphkate
    daphkate Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I'm guessing you could solo Fb19, if you count that as a boss. But really, I think you could tank some bosses 29 or so, if you had a charm/cleric.
  • LaFantasma - Dreamweaver
    LaFantasma - Dreamweaver Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Clerics and venos yeah lol. I'm talking about qingzi and the like as solo-ing bosses.
  • Dreaded_Fate - Lost City
    Dreaded_Fate - Lost City Posts: 219 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You could solo fb 19 and 29 with pots
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  • LaFantasma - Dreamweaver
    LaFantasma - Dreamweaver Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    fb 19 i have no problem but i believe knockbacks and stuns don't work. How would I go about solo-ing a 29?
  • Ashe_htid - Lost City
    Ashe_htid - Lost City Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    hey, most high lvls usually say they can solo stuff. this is true and i didnt expect to manage it but i managed to survive in HH agains a boss when the whole squad was wiped out, u just gotta know when to use certain skills etc... im a bm and i managed to survive through pots-charms-halloween treats and my charm... u just gotta have faith in ure char :P fb 29 for yourself id test out how much damage mobs can do to u by using ure genie to lure one at a time then you can roughly judge how hard 3 hit u at any time lol. its usually 3 at a timein fb29 untill you get to the open door room and boss room... just remember to have pots ready!! use ure plume shell or w.e too and if ure a cleric spam heal :P
  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I can solo FB19, 29, 39, and 51 Fushma uncharmed.. Rankar just destroys me, but I suppose I could do Myriad if I had a cleric to purify.

    I've got base 50 VIT though. 3.1-3.3k hp depending on my gears.
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  • BadBoii - Lost City
    BadBoii - Lost City Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Ur an archer, not a tanker.

    U wont be tankin bosses most of the time, but Damage Deal.

    Once u hit 9x+ Ya be tankin 2-3 bosses in HH3-2 3-3 but overall, u will always need an hercules or a barb to tank.

    Im talkin of same lv bosses.. of course as ya lv.. bosses like fb51/79/cultibosses etc will be easier..
  • Grim_Reaper/ - Harshlands
    Grim_Reaper/ - Harshlands Posts: 70 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I tanked farng at lvl 38 for my cleric friend so yes we can tank lol
    But soloing maybe lol
  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You're an archer. You'll always feel useless, regardless of what you can accomplish solo/with cleric. Get used to it.
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  • ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary
    ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You're an archer. You'll always feel useless, regardless of what you can accomplish solo/with cleric. Get used to it.

    This is why I retired my archer for the most part and rolled a veno as my new main. There was only so much I could do to help people. I considered rerolling as a barb or cleric, but we had plenty of those at the time and not many veno's. So I rolled a veno to be more helpful. b:pleased

    Too bad many people followed my example. My faction is over-run with veno's, lol. b:surrender
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I can solo every boss up to and including pyro in BH69 b:pleased with the exception of Krimson Eye and probably Mantavip
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  • Frijolero - Sanctuary
    Frijolero - Sanctuary Posts: 820 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    You could solo fb 19 and 29 with pots

    This is true. I've already done it. But you'll need a lot of firepower and 3~4 chaos orbs to replenish your HP. (save the chi for winged shield)

    Also, knockback arrow works on xenobeast (elf fb19). Dunno if it works with untamed and human fb19 bosses.
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    This is true. I've already done it. But you'll need a lot of firepower and 3~4 chaos orbs to replenish your HP. (save the chi for winged shield)

    Also, knockback arrow works on xenobeast (elf fb19). Dunno if it works with untamed and human fb19 bosses.

    The FB19 bosses aren't really bosses, they're just big fat mobs with a lot of hp. They can be stunned, slowed, paralyzed, frozen, knocked back, etc.
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  • wnight
    wnight Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    FB 19 Human , can't be knocked/paralyzed soz b:surrender
  • Nyxya - Harshlands
    Nyxya - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    fastest way to kill belial last boss tt 2-3 is with archer tanking..u do need some refine and 7-8k hp and debuf by veno or by 95 bow... and also fastest way to run a tt 3-2 or 3-2 is a archer tanking... is possible and easy barbar tank also...but archers are favorits for it..so you can tank a lot but u need heal ori pury or bothb:bye
  • MiliaFallyna - Dreamweaver
    MiliaFallyna - Dreamweaver Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    IMO, archers can tank, regardless of what others say. But really depends on your gear as well. Personally i test myself in FB areas, usually against mobs cause of their "stronger" abilities. Now for a boss, best boss to test yourself against is Dismal Shade. Reason being is his nasty poison. The mobs that spawn around you is even a bigger challenge. Cause u need to deal with them too. Syncronizing your attacks too helps. I was able to accomplish this at lvl65 i believe. Of course it was the 2nd time i did it. First time failed cause some idiot ruined my pace by running around like an idiot. Dismal was almost dead...b:angry

    Usually bosses that dont melee you are the ones you can tank. I favor these bosses cause it makes it easier to handle w/o having to suffer the minimum range.

    Having the right amount pots/food is priority, if youre w/o a cleric. If you do happen to have a cleric, have faith in them and be confident to let them know you can handle the brunt of attacks.

    Im sure many will disagree, but i favor to BoA on bosses. In my faction (not Meltrandi) i was considered their tank for the time being until their BMs or Barbs were capable. If they were not capable, i told them to stay back and let me handle it b:victory
  • Absoluth - Heavens Tear
    Absoluth - Heavens Tear Posts: 764 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I think the thread starter is talking solo'ing and being helpful, not doing squad based runs like TT or whatever. Hell, even i with my crappy 3.5k hp and no hp charm can tank manta. That doesnt make me even 10% as useful as a barb, cleric or veno. We have extremely limitted bosses we can solo, some others using charm/special pots and alot of stuff while buffed/in squad.

    Still sucks trying to be the helping hand, as you'll most likely need a healer or whatever to assist you on most cases (like kimsa, if you dont want to be charm ****). If a cleric isnt around, you cant perform.

    Archer is an awesome tank, thats true, but as a single helper or capabilities to solo our own bosses at low~mid lvs, we're nearly useless. Im not saying roll another class. Just dont expect to be a hero. You'll shine at higher lvs with proper gear though.
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  • Kniraven - Lost City
    Kniraven - Lost City Posts: 2,620 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    wnight wrote: »
    FB 19 Human , can't be knocked/paralyzed soz b:surrender

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  • Quizenbort - Dreamweaver
    Quizenbort - Dreamweaver Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I can kill most bosses(only ones I die to are melee only ones that hit for over 4k), but I would not call it tanking. Spec yourself right and you just kill them before they kill you.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I soloed Jewelscalen yesterday (level 94 at time of posting).

    Unfortunately, I am ashamed to admit that I was unable to solo Viriddis Stormhorn; I needed a cleric to heal me while I killed it.

    Suzerix is easy. I soloed him back in my 80s, and I probably could have done it earlier.

    I can solo the level 49 cultivation bosses, but I cannot solo Luminoc Architect.

    Haven't tried Khewy, recently.

    Perhaps I should try Dew of Star Protection against Luminoc and Viriddis.
  • LaFantasma - Dreamweaver
    LaFantasma - Dreamweaver Posts: 12 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Thank you for all the help guys!
  • hemoglobin
    hemoglobin Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    well my lvl 72 archer can solo fb19 and thats about it...
  • Nyxya - Harshlands
    Nyxya - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    tanking solo is restricted even for barbars.. i mean they can do it even to some hard boss but with hi charm expenses..in terms of tanking we should assume you got a cleric behind you...then you can tank about anything with bufs and if boss has a ranged attack also as most do...and last but not least if boss don't cast bad bad curses.... you can even do those boss as long get a nice hp pool... had an archer friend made his eq to be able tank polearm at 90 some..
  • Dractonis - Lost City
    Dractonis - Lost City Posts: 142 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    As has already been said it depends a lot on your gear, HP and to some extent, your build. While it might not be the most ideal option for an archer to be tanking or soloing bosses, with or without a cleric, it's often a favourable option if you can handle it just for the pure ease of not having to regulate your aggro and it makes things progress more quickly.

    And remember barbs and clerics are in high demand, it's not always possible to get these in a squad so if you as an archer can tank some lower level bosses even just to help low level guildies and friends it's definitely worth it, and it's always nice to give the tanking classes a break and let them concentrate on the stronger bosses that you can't tank. That's not to suggest you're a substitute or anything, but if you're interested in where your limitations are, they'll always inevitably be behind a barb/BM/veno of your level.

    As a rough guide, I could solo FB39 at 6x with event potions and no charm, but it takes a bit longer. The bosses go down fast, especially with a high ST arrow, the quicker you kill it the less chance it has of killing you b:victory

    At my current level (86), I can solo up to 59 (though I've not tried Myraid, admittedly) with potions and charm, that was with 3.6k HP and my own buffs only. I now have 4.1k HP unbuffed and there's not much of a difference it just takes a while and you have to really concentrate on your HP opposed to your usual STA, wait, autoshot routine. I'm pure dex, for the record, and only have 19 vit, with 404 dex, so I'm not sure what the difference in ability would be for a hybrid? Saying that though killing those bosses can be risky as there've been plenty of occasions where my HP has dropped <1000 and my charm has only just ticked in time. And plenty more occasions where I've bit the dust and called the wifey in for rezzes ^^ Not to discourage you... or anything <_<

    But to be honest, whether you can solo or not, without a cleric, is it really worth it? A lot of the time you'll be relying on expensive potions/remedies and a charm to succeed and I wouldn't advise it if there were other alternatives available. The only times I've tanked is if, as stated earlier, my friends need help with some lower levels bosses for BHs and what not, we're in a squad running something I know I can tank (and myself and the squad will agree it's easier to just let me tank for sake of not having to worry about aggro and speed things up) or I just want to test what I can do. b:chuckle

    But following earlier posts - don't try to be the hero unless you have to! Testing what you can do is all well and good but don't put others at risk just so you can inflate your ego; I'm not saying you would, but I've met a fair few of these archers in my time...

    It's usually fine as long as you speak to your squad and politely ask the cleric if they can heal you beforehand, it's never nice when the cleric has to spontaneously heal someone else!

    While it's not always advisable to be tanking bosses in instances, I'd say it's certainly viable to tank the mobs on the way there along with any barbs and BMs you might have in squad, BM stuns and your thunderous blast and wingspan AOEs work great, especially the latter when you're in a solo scenario as the knock back effect (with a six second cool down rate) comes in very handy in keeping phys. melee mobs off you combined with the fact that they're susceptible to missing fairly often.

    It also matters greatly on what bosses you're talking about tanking? Bosses like Suzerix (50) and Chin (45) don't present too much difficulty 7x but there are ridiculous bosses like Jewelscalen (55) and Krimson (60) that aren't fun at all b:sad

    So in conclusion, sure, there's plenty you can tank as you level up and you'll see a big difference 70+ in what you can do but, while you will never be as indispensable as a barb say, in tanking ability, that's not to say you can't aid others if you want. Venos have the great advantage of having their pets tank for them, though I wouldn't doubt the ability of some decked out venos in fox form, either. Just remember your class is all about dealing damage - not taking it.

    I guess be more specific in your post and people would have a lot more to say in attempt to answer your question =]

    Also as a last note, your defense, whilst not being anything spectacular, is not amazingly low, go ask a <90 robe lacking great gear what their's is and be grateful :P

    Hope this helped with your query somewhat,

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  • __IcemanJLF_ - Sanctuary
    __IcemanJLF_ - Sanctuary Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    If the bosses are close range melee, they are usually solable, as long as you keep out of their range.

    Yesterday, i solo'd Ape Dryad for a quest (lvl 75 boss).
    I am only lvl 74
    my build is pure.

    it was also done without charms, all i had to use was 4 HP pots, and a few genie heals
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Tip: Ask players in a nearby town for some buffs. Having a half hour of extra HP / physical defense or an hour of cleric buffs is very valuable. I did this to so I could solo Jewelscalen.

    Tip: You have to hold aggro. This sounds weird, but since you are probably some using defense skills while tanking, it is possible for someone else to steal aggro from you since you are not dealing max damage.

    It is especially embarrassing if you are a level 100 archer with a Heaven Shatterer +6, Ashura's bracers+chest+leggings tanking Linus in BH79, and you lose aggro b/c a level 94 hybrid archer steals aggro from you.

    Also, Ape Dryad is a mini-boss, not a real boss.