New interesting Veno build, good? bad? your thoughts..

Lame build. As Skitles said, you can do nothing while wielding bow.

I would make a tank veno instead of archer veno.

the only way I can see the archer veno build being any good is if the player also carries around a mage weapon for jumping into fox form when the mobs get up close. that being said - It piques my curiosity as to whether the damage output of the bow would be greater than the damage output of whatever mage weapon he/she happens to be using. My thoughts are if they are using a bow at requisite level - the bow may well output more damage than a n00bie mage weapon. OTOH - it may be a toss up, yet more balanced if they use only the level bow that is useable when stating for LA build and getting the mage weapon at that level as well. A veno with summer sprint can outrun most mobs so could kite with a bow much better than an elf archer could - but at the same time, has no skills for use with a bow.

one thing is for sure.. a veno with that build that uses bows exclusively must not get many party invites.

Depends on the player using it not the majority who assumes.

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Mage venomancers never had issues with stealing aggro from their pets.

Ohh yes they do!! I'm full mage and I always steal agro from my pet b:surrender

Yup. My pet and I compete for aggro quite often. =3

When I first started out (my veno was my first character), I used...hammers. And my pet. I had no idea that my build, built around using my hammers and light armour, was so bad for my pet and myself. I had to go buy a reset. XD

Also...maybe we should blur out her name? I mean...I dunno. I would.

Bowmancer, FTW! I was carrying and At level Bow for a long while starting fomr the Snowman event last Christmas... It's funny to PewPew stuffs now and then. I don't think I'd make it an acutal build tho. I might try it some day with an Alt Veno I have at level 55 that I use for Testing.

Reikara - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well I never had aggro issues as a mage, doing the right thing and having a high enough level bash did the trick. It's not like you're critting and taking aggro all the time (light+heavy) o.o;;

Not critting??? lol!! 1 hit: crit 2nd hit: crit... just have 6 dex (little mistake >.<) doesnt happen all the time... But that happens to me moslty when fighting fb 19 or fb 29 boss b:surrender Dont even have to crit to take over agro...
Full mage: great pet healing, nice DD, but take over agro all the time b:sad
hmm maybe im gonna try the bow thingy xD *just kidding ofc*

I find it hard to beleive that a Bowmancer is in equal standings with a pure or even a LA build.

I can kill any mob a few levels higher with no more than 3 spells.

I took a bow veno up to level 56 with not many problems.
1 STR 4 DEX every level.
You use very few skills so that means you can level your genie and use genie
skills to make up for any you may be lacking.
Earthquake will push the mob back if it get's too close for example.
With 4 dex every level the damage output from the bow will be more than a mage veno can put out, even if you go full INT on the mage.
At level 56 my crit was 18% so the crits came often.
The only drawback is boss's...my tactic for boss's was one of two.
One..heal the pet till it dies then tank it yourself to finish it off using HP potions.
Two..carry 2 pets so they fight overlapping when the first dies.
You can still use your mage or fox skills..barehanded will let you use them.
You don't lose your skills you just lower what some of them will do.
The bow kills fast so in fact..you do want it to crit a time or two to pull aggro
off the pet, saving your healing. The mob almost always is killed before it gets to you.
The only negative comments I've seen about the bow veno is from people who have never leveled one.
It's not better or worse than the mage..just different and is played different.
One good thing...never use any pots...MP or HP unless your hit...very cheap.
You gain a lot of fun playing it at the expense of losing your soloing ability but then again...other characters can't solo either.

While using a bow, you can't use a single skill, not even debuffs. Pretty epic fail build to me to be honest. So if using a bow is so much fun, then why not pull out an archer who comes with skills to use AND passive skills to increase your bow damage a lot more.

This is like making an arcane barb and then say you're pro at tanking magic bosses.

I carry a bow with me all the time, works great on the "bonus mobs" in FF, Much faster than skills or pets. Also works great in cube room for pet leveling, and of course, shooting snowmen! Of course I also have a -chan wand and my main weapon that I use a whole heck of a lot more than the bow.

Skitles - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You've got to remember that if a veno isn't using a magic weapon, she isn't using skills. Venomancer builds are based on armours, not weapons. She wouldn't be able to heal herself, she wont be able to heal, tame or revive pets and her damage compared to other classes her level will be low, since she can't use any skills.

In my own honest opinion, I can't understand builds that nerf themselves to such extremes. It's not logical to me. A build like that is more for the individual, not the majority.

yea that can be a huge prob, and the reason ? because most newbs dont understand the system and how to build a good veno or any other char for that matter...and few wiill offer any detail as to what build or parts of the build do what.
If someone would make a list as to what exactly dex, vit, etc would do for a certain char, it might help the newbs. I, myself , struggled horribly with my veno build .....and now PWI cant find her....level 58 last I saw from screenshots I saved.

Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »

While using a bow, you can't use a single skill, not even debuffs. Pretty epic fail build to me to be honest. So if using a bow is so much fun, then why not pull out an archer who comes with skills to use AND passive skills to increase your bow damage a lot more.

Can't use a single skill?
Press one key..put's you in bare handed mode..use any skill...press the key again and your holding your bow. You can use any skill barehanded.
Archer for more skills:
Increase damage...not needed..the pet add's damage.
Slow...not needed...the pet slows AND stop's the mob from getting close.
Increase range...not needed...you can lure a pet farther than an archers range.

By adding pet skills and Genie skills you have more skills than the archer has and you can duplicate just about any archer skill you like.

Plus...your not using any MP or HP doing it.

I'm not saying the bow veno is better than archer..just saying it's playable and different.