Veno or not to veno

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

iv just had a most disturbing conversation witha barb in TT 60. but first let me lay down what this topic is about, for as long as i can remember there has been a battle in pw in regards to veno's and who the aperantly have the game more easy than other players. now i am aware that this is a discution that has happend many times and unfortunatly i believe has led to the wrong image being serculated and i hope with this post to at least put some kinda perspective on this. VENO'S DO NOT HAVE IT EASYER we just battle witha difrent stile than others unless your fortunate to have up to 300 dollers for the nix and herc the game is certanly not easy. durring this TT run the barb i was working with treid to tell me that becouse he was the tank he was intitlled to the 1st pick of all the drops evan though it wasnt his squad. wich is kinda funny becouse he was terribal he couldnt keep aggro for anything. i died twice and as ussual my poor pets took massive dammege and as result died continusly resulting in massive loyalty loss pls note this is just the way things tend to happen perticulerly when the tank or tanks cant aggro properly and the mob or boss switches to the pet wich allmost allways 1 shots them. wich costs me a small fortune in fact this last TT run cost me in total just short of 500k by the time i was finished. NOW I WOULD LIKE TO PUT IT TO PW ONCE AND FOR ALL "ALL CHAR'S ARE EQUAL" difrent battle styles dont make make any char more important than any other bm barm veno cleric or whatever and should anyone try and tell me otherwise ill let my kowlin chew on the backsides peaple think playing veno is cheap so let me lay down my char build so u can see just how much its cost so far.

pls note im priceing this at CURRENT gold value on the heavens tear server

12 pet bag slots = 10 cages or 1 supercage aprox 5 mil
1 kowlin = 2.5 mil
1 snow hare = 20k hardly worth listing but for the sake of completeness
1 armerd bear = 1.6 mil not sure what current price is but thats what i payed
all my other pets i cought myself so i list them as free

my armer legendary socketed with imaculate shards = 30 mil

my weop TT 70 +4 flawless shards and rifeind + 4 =8 mil
my mount swift shadow maxed 8 mil

so let see 8 + 2.5 + 30 + 1.6 + 8 + 5 = 55.1 mil

and thats just the basics i put it to all this is hardly cheap

i hope this finaly puts things to rest and gets it in to yr head if not watch yr back becouse my kowlin gonna be chewin on it HA HA

ElonaFiorna - Sanctuary · December 2009

b:avoid
I'm staying out of this one.

Tatuaje - Lost City · December 2009

HOLY CRICKEYS!!!!!!!!

my weop TT 70 +4 flawless shards and rifeind + 4 =8 mil

Why did you put so much into your TT70 weapon?? You must be swimming in the coin like Scrooge McDuck. b:victory

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

hardly just very lucky on anni packs lol

Ikurei - Dreamweaver · December 2009

God, so many people are going to flame this thread.b:sweat

Yeah, I'll follow ElonaFiorna's example.b:avoid

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

i dont care wether peaple like this thread its to make a point not to win a popularity contest im just trieng to get a message accross that to discriminate bassed on class is wrong end of and its a fight i will battle to the end

Tatuaje - Lost City · December 2009

Packs or no packs that is a wasted weapon IMO. I don't know anyone who would give you the money for what its worth when you decide to sell it.

Queenofpower - Dreamweaver · December 2009

Yea its irritating tat venos are often told to pick Last b:angry . But the solution to this is that we can solo TT.......solo and make much more than squad b:pleased ..... and umm yes we are richer than most without spending too much cash...but then again the 500$ for herc+nix muxt be counted b:laugh

AlbireoTwo - Lost City · December 2009

Uh, lets see now. First off, venos are supposed to be able to tank with their pets. Usually they steal aggro, so their pet has to be able to stop dieing. Not our fault if you don't want your pet to die. Simple solution-DONT SUMMON IT. And I've noticed a lot of people hit a monster I'm not attacking. If there are three monsters and I'm attacking one, attack the one I'm attacking, not the other ones. Now, for your gears-You could live with a plain TT70 weapon. You didn't have to upgrade it so much.So, basically, the only extra you have to pay for than any other class are your pets. Now we come to the 12 slots. You dont need 12 slots. So, that takes out another 5 mil. Total extra expense=4.12 mil. I don't think you need that many pets but I'm not a veno so I wouldn't know. Now-you have to pay an extra 4.12 mil. Barbs and bms have insanely high repair bills + charm costs. Clerics burn mp pots/charms like crazy. Wizards idk, and archers need ammunition. On the other hand, none of them can solo TT. You could easily make a ton of money just by soloing instances. So yes, you do have it easy. You can make a lot more money than any other class, if we talk about grinding. Venos have it a LOT easier. If your kowlin dares to bite me it can expect to be blown to bits. >.>

Ikurei - Dreamweaver · December 2009

Leneta - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i dont care wether peaple like this thread its to make a point not to win a popularity contest im just trieng to get a message accross that to discriminate bassed on class is wrong end of and its a fight i will battle to the end

In order to get a message across to people the people need to be willing to listen. Most will just skim your post then post replies along the lines of 'QQ moar/venos r OP/veno cn solo TT/etc'. Just wait till we get a few non venos in here and it'll quickly degenerate into pointless flaming.

Saitada - Sanctuary · December 2009

Tatuaje - Lost City wrote: »

Packs or no packs that is a wasted weapon IMO. I don't know anyone who would give you the money for what its worth when you decide to sell it.

I bound my TT70... +3 refine, +4 shards (forget which, I'm not in pwi atm, don't remember if they were immaculate or not) and all my armor.

~S

Akai_Akuma - Heavens Tear · December 2009

tbh, i agree with the venos here xD i know some ppl in RL that play veno, and i have to say, its not easier at all. If you dont believe it, try to get there urself :P when youre 80+ some squads for RB or FF dont even accept you without a herc, byebye money b:bye

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

dont need all 12 slots well i supose thats true however whats the point in having the abilaty and not using it????? personaly i think that having a full pet bag allows me to carry a veriaty of pets and make full use of the combinations that i can use perticulary as the veno archane skills realy work best when complimented by the correct pet skills for example iron wood scarab second effect weekens the enemy phys def for a set period of time so it makes sence to use a pet bassed on physcal dammage plus i would allso like noted that to make full use of a veno's pets we ussual need to upgrade/pay for new skills or to erase less usefull skills and as a upgrade scroll cost 200k each and any 1 pet can have for skills i sugest every1 who questions that go visit mrs zooligist in arch and price that up for youself and as for my weap im aware that it is a very overly done weopon but i dont care as a pure archane DD veno i like tyo make my dammage as high as possible as that is the PURPOSE OF MY BUILD i chose to but that weop it was my choice however you can not say to me that every char in the game buys the best weap they can aford trying to tell me otherwise is just plain LYING i know iv played this game from the very begining thats how i got my ani mount in the 1st place. allso note that a veno dd build canot heal her pet and DD at the same time as once channeling has started it very dificult to interupt and switch to heal and once the pet takes agro sometimes its just impossible note allso with out a pet a veno is often 1 shotted by most of the TT bosses also soloing dungeons been there done that not a profitable as u might think

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · December 2009

I love it, it's always the fail-barbs that demand first pick in drops, free wine and special treatment. The guy clearly wasn't doing his job...he deserves **** all really.

If veno's really have it easier....roll one. No one forced anyone to play the class they chose. Have to say I agree with the veno's too, it's all great until 60 or so.

AlbireoTwo - Lost City · December 2009

I'm not even answering that until you put some dam grammar in. Sentences would be nice.

Leolf - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Not gonna get into an argument about whether or not venos are easier. But for clarification, I've never heard any say that venos are cheap. They say that they MAKE MONEY FASTER. Thus they are able to buy the expensive equipment more easily. At least, if the theory is correct.

King_Solomon - Heavens Tear · December 2009

My veno has 3 pet slots and I feel like they're enough.
My pets costed me 0 coins.
Pet skill books and upgrades costed me 2M (though I'm yet to find Pounce for sale).
All my armoury costs ~2M.
My TT70 weapon + flawless gem costed ~500K.

Just my 2c.

AlbireoTwo - Lost City · December 2009

Leolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not gonna get into an argument about whether or not venos are easier. But for clarification, I've never heard any say that venos are cheap. They say that they MAKE MONEY FASTER. Thus they are able to buy the expensive equipment more easily. At least, if the theory is correct.

Exactly. They make money faster. The OP just made some insane gear and is putting that price in there. She didn't need such good gear. If she needs 30 mil gear then every other class needs 30 mil gear. Only thing she pays extra for is pets, but she makes money faster.

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

apoligies for poor grammer but we cant all speak perfect english when typing but you must admit allready a pattern is developing here thoughs that have only played barb and not REALY treid playing veno have no real clue how its done they seem to think that u just fire a pet at the target and spam spells sorry not that simple a DD veno needs to take close note of the boss in question and use there spells in the correct order to take best advantage of them. for example blazing scarab a wounderfull skill if used properly hwoever pointless spaming as it can only inflict burn on the target once every 30 secs ie its not stackable just anouther point i wanted to get accross

AlbireoTwo - Lost City · December 2009

Leneta - Heavens Tear wrote: »

apoligies for poor grammer but we cant all speak perfect english when typing but you must admit allready a pattern is developing here thoughs that have only played barb and not REALY treid playing veno have no real clue how its done they seem to think that u just fire a pet at the target and spam spells sorry not that simple a DD veno needs to take close note of the boss in question and use there spells in the correct order to take best advantage of them. for example blazing scarab a wounderfull skill if used properly hwoever pointless spaming as it can only inflict burn on the target once every 30 secs ie its not stackable just anouther point i wanted to get accross

We weren't talking about skills. I'm talking about money making. For skills every class has it's hard parts and its easy parts.

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

I love it, it's always the fail-barbs that demand first pick in drops, free wine and special treatment. The guy clearly wasn't doing his job...he deserves **** all really.

If veno's really have it easier....roll one. No one forced anyone to play the class they chose. Have to say I agree with the veno's too, it's all great until 60 or so.

i agrea totaly for the 1st time someone who understands the point i was initialy tring to make. that class alone douse not entitle you to more or less than anyone else. and believe me i get plenty of work peaple continuasly want my help as i no how to play my class to my advantage the result I HAVE NEARLY 8000 REP

_MonoxidE_ - Sanctuary · December 2009

Leneta - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i dont care wether peaple like this thread its to make a point not to win a popularity contest im just trieng to get a message accross that to discriminate bassed on class is wrong end of and its a fight i will battle to the end

If you notice the majority of people who post or read the forums then you will notice that it is the same small crowd of people. You would actually make a better point shouting out in world chat ingame because the majority of the players seem to never find their way or even bother with the forums. If it is a fight your willing to put effort into then reaching out to the majority would accomplish a bigger goal and unfortunately that goal cannot be reached here at all.

And more than likely, shouting out in world chat would only result in getting a mass amount of flamage in return. Good luck though

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »

We weren't talking about skills. I'm talking about money making. For skills every class has it's hard parts and its easy parts.

hmm funny u see this is my post and i sware i stated that this discution is on classes being equal not about how fast we make monney after all can anyone realy say that the best way to make cash is to GRIND IT ALL pls all of us who are smart made are monney in the ani pack event how fast a veno grinds up cash is realy neglegable by comparison true we are capable of grinding cash faster dousnt meen we do it constant lets try and stay on topic here and that is U CAN NOT DISCRIMINATE ON THE BASIS OF CLASS ALONE the other side notes i was putting in are to put accross just how much a DD veno has to consintrate on at anyone time as i believe it is never ussualy discussed think about it is it possible for any char to keep full attention on there pets health, there health, the status of the boss, status of of other squad memebers and pontential adds constantly im trying to point out that this specific barb was wrong in his assesment that veno's have it easy and he should be givin special treatment purly becouse hes the barb. everyone else vents frustration out in this forrum why should i be any diffrent i would also like to note as i dont think anyone noticed TT60 yet iv allready stated that i have my TT70 so TT60 mats arnt evan worth anything to me i was there to help anouther i was mearly pointing out the flaw in HIS argument in such a way that would allow peaple also to respond in a disction not wc flaming or pm'ing that is an nightmare to keep track of i chose to raise this in the forrum to avoid that

AlbireoTwo - Lost City · December 2009

Leneta - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmm funny u see this is my post and i sware i stated that this discution is on classes being equal not about how fast we make monney after all can anyone realy say that the best way to make cash is to GRIND IT ALL pls all of us who are smart made are monney in the ani pack event how fast a veno grinds up cash is realy neglegable by comparison true we are capable of grinding cash faster dousnt meen we do it constant lets try and stay on topic here and that is U CAN NOT DISCRIMINATE ON THE BASIS OF CLASS ALONE the other side notes i was putting in are to put accross just how much a DD veno has to consintrate on at anyone time as i believe it is never ussualy discussed think about it is it possible for any char to keep full attention on there pets health, there health, the status of the boss, status of of other squad memebers and pontential adds constantly im trying to point out that this specific barb was wrong in his assesment that veno's have it easy and he should be givin special treatment purly becouse hes the barb. everyone else vents frustration out in this forrum why should i be any diffrent i would also like to note as i dont think anyone noticed TT60 yet iv allready stated that i have my TT70 so TT60 mats arnt evan worth anything to me i was there to help anouther i was mearly pointing out the flaw in HIS argument in such a way that would allow peaple also to respond in a disction not wc flaming or pm'ing that is an nightmare to keep track of i chose to raise this in the forrum to avoid that

Then why go off talking about your gears? Fine lets talk about class equality. All classes have their good points and their bad points. Venos are good at making money. Barbs are good at tanking. Wizards and archers are good at DDing. BMs are a pretty much all round class. And of course, clerics are good at healing. This, of course, is using the general build. Nobody says barbs HAVE to tank. Nobody says Clerics HAVE to heal. So, of course, not all venos HAVE to make money. I really don't see your point. You're saying we shouldn't make assumptions just because of the class. That is true. So next time you form a squad, ask the wizard/archer if they can DD. Ask the barb if he can tank. Ask the cleric if he can heal. Ask the BM if he can do anything. Anyways, I have to go to sleep now. And I don't see what point you're trying to make. We all ready know not to make assumptions on class, because barbs can be DDers and BMs can tank. All classes have their good points and their bad points. Anyways, I'm going to sleep now.

Lord_rein - Sanctuary · December 2009

well yes,all styles are different,but lets not forgot 1 thing...
the reason some people not like venomancers,is because they are simple way the best pve class.
but only for females,thats also what makes this game unfair

its not we not like you!its only we not like venomancers lol :P

Leneta - Heavens Tear · December 2009

AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »

Then why go off talking about your gears? Fine lets talk about class equality. All classes have their good points and their bad points. Venos are good at making money. Barbs are good at tanking. Wizards and archers are good at DDing. BMs are a pretty much all round class. And of course, clerics are good at healing. This, of course, is using the general build. Nobody says barbs HAVE to tank. Nobody says Clerics HAVE to heal. So, of course, not all venos HAVE to make money. I really don't see your point. You're saying we shouldn't make assumptions just because of the class. That is true. So next time you form a squad, ask the wizard/archer if they can DD. Ask the barb if he can tank. Ask the cleric if he can heal. Ask the BM if he can do anything. Anyways, I have to go to sleep now. And I don't see what point you're trying to make. We all ready know not to make assumptions on class, because barbs can be DDers and BMs can tank. All classes have their good points and their bad points.

hmm intresting but i woulnt need to ask someone else to DD as that would kinda undermine my own role not that im saying archers and wiz's cant DD quite the opersite there verry good at it thus one of my alts is a DD bassed wiz i went into gear to lay down THAT HE WAS WRONG IN HIS ASSESMENT how many times must i state that and to give an idea how much coin i have spent to get MY CHAR and so you could understand how my char is constructed and get an idea on how that SPECIFIC TT run was done rather than go into massive detail about every part in it the idea is this is a disution/debate if u agrea or disagrea on my char build is quite frankly inrelavent i have not staed that this is how a veno is constructed i was statin how MY veno is constructed and it works for ME if peaple dont like it i dont care come face me in a fair dual as as i stated ill feed you to my kowlin unless your a barb in wich case ill have gr8 fun watching my torgin out tank you trust me it works iv tried it on my lvl 80 barb m8 it was funny as hell i didnt evan attack with my own spells or evan heal

Leolf - Heavens Tear · December 2009

*sigh* too lazy too read all the posts. But, fyi, I have a level 42 veno. Venos can SOLO TWILIGHT TEMPLE, which means that they KEEP ALL THE DROPS. More drops=more money=better equips=game's easier=soloing TT faster=MORE money, etc, etc.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Leolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*sigh* too lazy too read all the posts. But, fyi, I have a level 42 veno. Venos can SOLO TWILIGHT TEMPLE, which means that they KEEP ALL THE DROPS. More drops=more money=better equips=game's easier=soloing TT faster=MORE money, etc, etc.

Let me get this streight.

So, from your personal experience, your level 42 veno can solo TT and make more money faster and easier than other classes?

Isn't what you are claiming similar to that Holiday Inn commercial?
"I am not a veno at the level that can even do TT solo, but I stayed at an Holiday Inn last night".

Leolf - Heavens Tear · December 2009

-.- No. Just stating that I HAVE played a veno, and not just "I made one and got bored with it at level 2." However, it is a KNOWN FACT that venos can solo TTs and FBs at a much lower level than other classes, because they're essentially a one woman/man squad. Thus, more money at a lower level>better equips>easier gameplay.

Demaulicus - Heavens Tear · December 2009

Alright enough arguing everyone. It's as simple as this. Venos are the best grinding class if they have a phoenix or hercules as long as they know the tricks. However, There are tricks to every class on leveling if you want to look at it that way. Barbarians for example to do rebirth runs if you can find a squad or do fb runs alot.

The issue about TT is this:

Barbarians usually tank so it's 78k-120k repair bill and 60k-210k off gold HP charm (depending on how good the cleric is)

Clerics are mainly there healing the tank so he doesn't die so it's costly on an MP charm unless they bring apothecary or yanxiao. Can't use those in BB though.

Archers: Each time this class attacks they lose an arrow meaning they have to spend more. So lets say they use up 20,000 arrows in TT then that's alot of coins they are spending.

Wizards: They have to be careful as they are one of the easiest classes to pull aggro off the barb later in game.

Venomancers: This class can solo squad mode of TT on 1-1 / 1-2 / 1-3 / 2-1 / 2-2 / 2-3 / and 3-1 with a herc so can make easy coins. I know cause I have done this. You just can't kill some bosses running solo but can do most of them. Forshura in 2-3 and 4 minute boss in 3-1 are a couple examples of bosses that a veno can't really solo.

Then again it all depends on how well the person plays their class whether they can solo TT or not.

Brael - Dreamweaver · December 2009

Leneta - Heavens Tear wrote: »

my weop TT 70 +4 flawless shards and rifeind + 4 =8 mil

Ignoring the horrid spelling/grammar mistakes in that large block of text. Four flawless shards huh... that's quite a weapon you've got there, a four socket weapon of any level would be worth quite a large chunk of coin.

Leolf - Heavens Tear wrote: »

-.- No. Just stating that I HAVE played a veno, and not just "I made one and got bored with it at level 2." However, it is a KNOWN FACT that venos can solo TTs and FBs at a much lower level than other classes, because they're essentially a one woman/man squad. Thus, more money at a lower level>better equips>easier gameplay.

It's faster to do them with a squad. It's kind of like barbs and lets say... Lunar bosses. A barb can solo a few of those, I've seen it done. That doesn't mean that it's a good idea though. The time involved (ignoring the expense) makes the idea of doing it alone counter productive. You're better off bringing more people to speed the whole thing up. The time savings ends up increasing your loot/hour.

Veno or not to veno

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