Assassin.. the anti-archer?
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Skyspirit - Sanctuary
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first off i for one am def re-rolling an assassin.
as far as i know the assassin is an up close melee, wheres light armour, has high dex, and high crits.
everything accept for the melee sounds just like an archer.
i play an archer. anything that gets within melee range 5 meters and closer archers do half dmg to.
so a dex built "sin" would surely win right? and against most other classes it should do just as well as an archer.
this also of course means skills need to be considered. how many stuns will a sin have, will these skills make the sin LA dependent or will the have freedom to roll heavy armour? in wich case you could build a sin just like a BM, STR dependant.
archers use dex to improve ranged atk most importantly. a melee class uses str to improve dmg output.
unless the sins skills are improved by dex, i see no reason to use LA.
building a sin like a BM would seem most logical IMO. a sin will most likely have skills to amplify dmg to balence the low str to high dex ratio.
i apologize for not being very good at putting my thoughts into words. and there are surly a few spellling errors.
im looking for any and all speculation on the topic.
as far as i know the assassin is an up close melee, wheres light armour, has high dex, and high crits.
everything accept for the melee sounds just like an archer.
i play an archer. anything that gets within melee range 5 meters and closer archers do half dmg to.
so a dex built "sin" would surely win right? and against most other classes it should do just as well as an archer.
this also of course means skills need to be considered. how many stuns will a sin have, will these skills make the sin LA dependent or will the have freedom to roll heavy armour? in wich case you could build a sin just like a BM, STR dependant.
archers use dex to improve ranged atk most importantly. a melee class uses str to improve dmg output.
unless the sins skills are improved by dex, i see no reason to use LA.
building a sin like a BM would seem most logical IMO. a sin will most likely have skills to amplify dmg to balence the low str to high dex ratio.
i apologize for not being very good at putting my thoughts into words. and there are surly a few spellling errors.
im looking for any and all speculation on the topic.
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>.> its already been posted that the dmg is based off of dex[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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why dont you wait for official game play to come out before we go around thinking things that dont make any sense. why would close ranged melee weapons use dex?
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Hi Sky ^ ^;.
Daggers, which are needed to use most of the assassin's skills, get their damage from dexterity. Yeah, it's a little confusing because the game mechanics have always been been set up so that Str increases physical melee damage while Dex increases physical ranged damage ~ but this is due to change after the expansion hits.
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b:shocked
whoaaa...
does this mean we can see...dex based BMs and barbs?
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »b:shocked
whoaaa...
does this mean we can see...dex based BMs and barbs?
b:shocked
Hopefully you understand that dex has nothing to do with the damage of BMs and barb? Just with the damage of the archers (like it has always been) and the assasins. That's what I think anyway.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Hamsta that's actually an interesting thought. Bms get 10 accuracy and 10 evasion per point dex...
Wouldn't that make them better dagger users than assassins stat-wise b:chuckle?0 -
Str increases physical melee damage while Dex increases physical ranged damage ~ but this is due to change after the expansion hits.
b:shocked
he never said that only assassins will get a different stat system.
xD
so.... Dex BMs??
b:chuckle
and yesh lol....that would be freaky.
can they still use their stuns with daggers?
if yes then....they might be a better assassin then assassins
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »and yesh lol....that would be freaky.
can they still use their stuns with daggers?
if yes then....they might be a better assassin then assassins
xD
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Sounds more like a fist Bm to me.Skyspirit - Sanctuary wrote: »first off i for one am def re-rolling an assassin.
as far as i know the assassin is an up close melee, wheres light armour, has high dex, and high crits.
everything accept for the melee sounds just like an archer.If anniversary pack threads keep getting made I'll keep trolling them until there isn't anymore!b:bye0 -
lols!
if BMs can use daggers then....
BMs will replace the assassins~ b:chuckle
more useful in squads too because of their flame dragon.
xD
and superior 1 vs 1. because of stuns.
b:chuckle
(>.<)
rawr~
Dagger BMs!darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
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It's alrdy been said, Daggers can only be used by Assassines and Orbs only by Psychics.0
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MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »lols!
if BMs can use daggers then....
BMs will replace the assassins~ b:chuckle
more useful in squads too because of their flame dragon.
xD
and superior 1 vs 1. because of stuns.
b:chuckle
(>.<)
rawr~
Dagger BMs!
Bm's with daggers but no dagger skillsb:sad
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Sakiara - Harshlands wrote: »It's alrdy been said, Daggers can only be used by Assassines and Orbs only by Psychics.
aw....
b:angry
anyone else sees how racist that is?
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how come the tideborn can have race specific weapons? b:cry
barbarians can use bows.
wizards can use swords.
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etc etc.
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lol me suppose they realized that BMs and wizards/cleric would make better assassins & psychics then assassins and psychics.
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b:chuckle lol!! it's kinda sad now that i think about it...MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »lol me suppose they realized that BMs and wizards/cleric would make better assassins & psychics then assassins and psychics.
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actually BMs get most accuracy/dodge for a point of dex from all the chars.. so if daggers need dex to get more dmg would be an interesting combo..
but still archers will be better wit hthe daggers since they got the most atk speed eq.. a fist EA with military 8 eq can get 5 times/sec atk speed with fists and hell fury burst.. so daggers would be a bit less i expect but would deal a lot more dmg cause of the dex..
and as for the anti archer thing.. i still think that an archer would be the best anti archer if rightfully built(just like my EA on PW MS)..Successes last until someone screws them up. Failures are forever.0 -
I was going to make a Phychic. However, apparently they are being judged as the new "Solo Class" much like a veno because of how good they are.
Personally, I don't like to kill things so easily, I like a challenge. And apparently the Assasin is going to be rather hard to play due to the up-close phyical combat light armor, dex based character. So.. Yeah, I'm gonna try an Assassin. ^^;
One thing I know for sure, Archers are always going to be picked over Assassins for TTs, FBs, Frost, etc.
I only say this because an Assassin must be up close to a monster to hit it. A lot of the TT, Fb, FRost, etc bosses use AoE. That is where the Archer will shine, because it can stay back, hit the same amount of dmg(if not more) and NOT get damaged so the cleric can continue to heal the acting tank. ^^
Unless that is just my logic... 'Iuno. :PPlease, call me Kiyo. b:thanks
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...what?...NOOOOOOO.....there goes my dream of pwning sins with their own weapsb:cryb:cryb:crySakiara - Harshlands wrote: »It's alrdy been said, Daggers can only be used by Assassines and Orbs only by Psychics.
(NOW what do i do with my high dex low str buildb:shocked)[SIGPIC]T.T[/SIGPIC]
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DrDrakken - Lost City wrote: »...what?...NOOOOOOO.....there goes my dream of pwning sins with their own weapsb:cryb:cryb:cry
(NOW what do i do with my high dex low str buildb:shocked)
relax, im 238 str, 218 dex 78 vit build bow/fist/sword/blade/pole/AXE BM
am enjoying it very much, although i am lacking behind in attack power (not much, 500-600 per normal attack), but having people exclain "OMG u use unicorn, its a bow" is really fun
ohh, and u can beat archers at their own game too
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BladesFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »ohh, and u can beat archers at their own game too (hard but not impossible)
lol~~~!!!!!!!
now beat wizards, clerics, and venos with their own weapon.
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how you acheive that at your lvlb:shockedBladesFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »relax, im 238 str, 218 dex 78 vit build[SIGPIC]T.T[/SIGPIC]
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Kiyogashi - Heavens Tear wrote: »One thing I know for sure, Archers are always going to be picked over Assassins for TTs, FBs, Frost, etc.
With the buff that affects party, giving a % of damage dealt to heal you, I wouldn't be too sure about that in later levels. They basically end up with passive assist healing, and with sage venos and Deicide wielders, the max health debuff is possible other ways as well. So will have to wait and see.Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura
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Telarith - Sanctuary wrote: »With the buff that affects party, giving a % of damage dealt to heal you, I wouldn't be too sure about that in later levels. They basically end up with passive assist healing, and with sage venos and Deicide wielders, the max health debuff is possible other ways as well. So will have to wait and see.
I suppose that's true. However, PWI can't make either of the two classes too overpowered. So first few weeks will be a testing period I bet. If they are too good, or too powerful they'll be nerfed along with every other class. :P
Take Wizards for example, they could kill 3-4 people their level before finally going down. Then they got nerfed and could probably only handle 2 at best. :PPlease, call me Kiyo. b:thanks
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Kiyogashi - Heavens Tear wrote: »I suppose that's true. However, PWI can't make either of the two classes too overpowered. So first few weeks will be a testing period I bet. If they are too good, or too powerful they'll be nerfed along with every other class. :P
Take Wizards for example, they could kill 3-4 people their level before finally going down. Then they got nerfed and could probably only handle 2 at best. :P
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All the CSers get there oracles redy before they nerf stealth and kidney shot
sin is the anti anything by the look of the skills... stealth behind opponent kidney shot for a auto critical on top skill damage itself. Then fade right out of combat with stealth (as stated on expansion site stealth improves with lvl to the point u can fade back out of sight while IN COMBAT) and kidney shot again. Ouch, the end of the story there, more then likely first kidney shot will tick charm next will take u below half (if first ticked) then a few close swing or maybe just 1 and a quick death. With a high + dagger u could probably be 1 shot easy.
Then the fact they have all SKILL evasion and all MELEE damage evasion skill.... if the above don't work still easy to avoid getting hit while waiting for stealth cooldown.0 -
Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »All the CSers get there oracles redy before they nerf stealth and kidney shot
sin is the anti anything by the look of the skills... stealth behind opponent kidney shot for a auto critical on top skill damage itself. Then fade right out of combat with stealth (as stated on expansion site stealth improves with lvl to the point u can fade back out of sight while IN COMBAT) and kidney shot again. Ouch, the end of the story there, more then likely first kidney shot will tick charm next will take u below half (if first ticked) then a few close swing or maybe just 1 and a quick death. With a high + dagger u could probably be 1 shot easy.
Then the fact they have all SKILL evasion and all MELEE damage evasion skill.... if the above don't work still easy to avoid getting hit while waiting for stealth cooldown.
LOL GAH ME HATED KIDNEY SHOT! b:chuckle
but then again...as soon as it wears off me would MELTER THEIR FACE~!!!
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Im definitly rerolling a 'sin too, prolly going to build him like a vit-archer0
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Zuyue - Sanctuary wrote: »All the CSers get there oracles redy before they nerf stealth and kidney shot
sin is the anti anything by the look of the skills... stealth behind opponent kidney shot for a auto critical on top skill damage itself. Then fade right out of combat with stealth (as stated on expansion site stealth improves with lvl to the point u can fade back out of sight while IN COMBAT) and kidney shot again. Ouch, the end of the story there, more then likely first kidney shot will tick charm next will take u below half (if first ticked) then a few close swing or maybe just 1 and a quick death. With a high + dagger u could probably be 1 shot easy.
Then the fact they have all SKILL evasion and all MELEE damage evasion skill.... if the above don't work still easy to avoid getting hit while waiting for stealth cooldown.
I'm going to bet that Kidney Shot has a longer cool down time so you can't back-2-back it like that.0
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