Bramble for AOE

Vitenka - Dreamweaver
Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
edited December 2009 in Venomancer
Right, seen SO much conflicting advice on this.

What the HECK does bramble work for, and not work for, nowadays?
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  • Damewort - Sanctuary
    Damewort - Sanctuary Posts: 573 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I yet have to see how Bramble guard reflects boss aoe (if that's what you meant). Have heard about it, but have never experienced by myself. Maybe cause aoes are ranged, but bramble reflects only melee?
    One thing where I am sure that it is working - reflecting phys. melee damage.

    As for hood - it returns 200% of phys.melee damage + reduces 75% of all damage you recieve. That's how it works in pve and in duels. In pk seems it only reduces the damage you are taking. No reflect.
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    not long ago a veno pulling the dwarves near wyvern who had bramble on got hit by wyvern aoe and ended up pulling the boss. so bramble does something even for aoe. even though I can't grant you the deflecting part works for that.
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    bramble deflects melee AOE, tested on TT drummer boss.

    only really useful on barbs and BMs though.
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  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    deflect reflects only mele damage

    it does not work outside of pve and duels

    i still dont know why it works in duels....
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • daphkate
    daphkate Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    In a duel your not fighting for your life, and normally, when your dueling, it's because you just want to have fun or get chi.


    I'm not sure if this works on AOE's, I did a boss last night but didn't rebramble the squad.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Yeah, I've not been brambling the whole squad because I'd been told it didn't work. Hence my asking here to check.

    Consensus, then, is that it DOES work?
  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I never noticed that the AOE has been reflected...
    also in duel, I don't think a clerics plume shot will be reflected :/
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Waterfal - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I never noticed that the AOE has been reflected...
    also in duel, I don't think a clerics plume shot will be reflected :/

    Ranged melee from an Archer (or a cleric) will not reflect. I tested this shortly after acquiring Bramble Hood.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Sevas - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Ranged melee from an Archer (or a cleric) will not reflect. I tested this shortly after acquiring Bramble Hood.
    thats because its ranged 'physical' damage, not melee like AOEs from bosses :P.
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    yesh, it works on some boss phy aoes

    on feng too btw
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  • Shifong - Heavens Tear
    Shifong - Heavens Tear Posts: 409 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    With drummer and feng I bramble everyone. Ancient evil has melee aoe as well. But with ancient evil i only bramble the barb and bm. Barb is quite obvious but should only be brambled after the adds are gone. I bramble the bm right at the start.
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  • ewingoil
    ewingoil Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    What is really the difference between hood and guard and I am always getting picked off by archers?I am using guard not hood as I don't have hood.
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    bramble hood is the lvl59 skill. look at your skill tree and you'll find it...

    concerning archers... well... you should copy down their names, rush levels, buy a phoenix and make them cry^^
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  • ewingoil
    ewingoil Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    It is not the real players I am talking about Wraith Archers and the like as mine guard is lvl 7.Thanks btw.
  • Seika_Chi - Dreamweaver
    Seika_Chi - Dreamweaver Posts: 109 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    PvE: Bramble do work reflecting only melee dmg as it says. Hood also work reflecting the 200% melee dmg u take + reducing 75% of all dmg.

    PvP: Hood certainly work for this, tested it with a friend once a BM, his Hp didn't look good after he used a huge phy melee on me. but only last 15sec so need timing. Bramble also workes nicly for this.

    Also you can't have both at once. If u got bramble up and then use Hood bramble will disappear, also the other way around.
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  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    bramble guard/hoold deflect doesn't work for open PvP. Only duels and PvE.
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  • AinaMizuako - Sanctuary
    AinaMizuako - Sanctuary Posts: 1,041 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    bramble guard/hoold deflect doesn't work for open PvP. Only duels and PvE.

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  • Nyxya - Harshlands
    Nyxya - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    ohh come one few days ago a bm from Karma i think try to kill me(i as trying same) he come and i use hood and he dragon one me results is he die 1 hit ..his hit^^ so melee reflect works .... but hood works for ranged too since still reduce 75%dmg..and i think normal bramble reflect at drums or boss that have a "phys" aoe...you can tell is phys aoe couse you see "miss" sometime like uncle belial:D
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Nyxya - Harshlands wrote: »
    ohh come one few days ago a bm from Karma i think try to kill me(i as trying same) he come and i use hood and he dragon one me results is he die 1 hit ..his hit^^ so melee reflect works .... but hood works for ranged too since still reduce 75%dmg..and i think normal bramble reflect at drums or boss that have a "phys" aoe...you can tell is phys aoe couse you see "miss" sometime like uncle belial:D

    bull

    hood dosent reflect in pvp only in duels i've smacked my share of hoods
    also 200% reflect has to go through the bm's armor too

    asumeing you have about 4k hp and the bm has around 8 or 9 (assuming vit build) the bm woul have to one shot you to kill himself...math is fun use it

    also dragons is MELE RANGE

    drum is ranged

    duh
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear
    Imamandamnit - Heavens Tear Posts: 87 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Bramble guard works in pvp and pk,last time i was white which i admit was quite few months ago the deflect still worked as usual(and defence on the melee atacker has nothing to do with it either)

    It also reflects physical aoes,which is very good on the squishies because since they take more damage from physical aoes than high phys def classes they reflect more back.

    Hood i dunno and dont care.I only use it to reduce damage in emergency.
  • Poison - Heavens Tear
    Poison - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,444 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    But with ancient evil i only bramble the barb and bm. Barb is quite obvious but should only be brambled after the adds are gone. I bramble the bm right at the start.

    Depends on the party, some parties don't want the barb brambled right off the bat nor the Sage Soul Degeneration, and some want both right off the bat to make the run quicker. It all depends on how comfortable the party is keeping themselves and the adds away from the boss and the barb.
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