Bring refine transfer here? Share ur thoughts!

ROBINGIRL - Harshlands
ROBINGIRL - Harshlands Posts: 4 Arc User
edited October 2011 in General Discussion
Greetings xy,
Thank you for your suggestion. We will take adding the Refinement Transfer System into consideration.
We definitely suggest posting your idea on our forum to receive some community feedback!

Lets get that feedback.
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  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Do you mind if I move this to the suggestion forum? Or are you planning to post the results of this thread there?
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    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
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  • ROBINGIRL - Harshlands
    ROBINGIRL - Harshlands Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    eatwithspoons wrote: »
    Do you mind if I move this to the suggestion forum? Or are you planning to post the results of this thread there?

    wow mon u are really fast. well i guess here more people could see and comment that, and this isnt really a suggestion to the devs but the discussion about it.

    but if u feel like it would be better there, than do it : )
  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I'll leave this here, but make sure to post your compiled replies in the suggestions section when you're done, to make sure we read them b:victory
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  • Hippie - Harshlands
    Hippie - Harshlands Posts: 515 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    eatwithspoons wrote: »
    I'll leave this here, but make sure to post your compiled replies in the suggestions section when you're done, to make sure we read them b:victory

    roger that
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    refine transfers were possible before?
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  • LinterWing - Lost City
    LinterWing - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    refine transfers were possible before?
    b:puzzled

    nopeb:shocked
  • Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver
    Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    refine transfers were possible before?
    b:puzzled

    I'm going to file that under 'maybe'.

    I have no idea what Refine Transfer is, so would anyone mind explaining it?
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  • LinterWing - Lost City
    LinterWing - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    randomly vote without giving the reason is niceb:sweat
  • Deathsscion - Sanctuary
    Deathsscion - Sanctuary Posts: 325 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Refine transfer was used to take the refines on an old item and move it to another item. eg. +4 on a weapon transfered to a new weapon. And they will never bring it back. They don't want to lose Dragon Orb sales.
  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I'm going to file that under 'maybe'.

    I have no idea what Refine Transfer is, so would anyone mind explaining it?


    Suppose you refine your weapon to some high amount like +7 but later you outgrow the weapon and get a higher level one. With refinement transfer you can take that +7 and move it to your new weapon while reseting the refinement on the old weapon. This feature is available in other versions of PW and is available at the boutique agent.

    This requires an item from the boutique. The larger the refinement you want to transer the larger the cost but it won't be nearly as bad as having to refine from scratch.

    It is not obvious to me what affect this will have on dragon orb sales. You would think that people would be buying fewer orbs but it also encourages people to start doing high refines at an earlier level. Right now noone bothers refining their lvl 70 gear for example as its not worth it.
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  • Mavado - Harshlands
    Mavado - Harshlands Posts: 728 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I have no idea what Refine Transfer is, so would anyone mind explaining it?

    This b:surrender

    Nvm... i know now XD
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  • LinterWing - Lost City
    LinterWing - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Deathsscion - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Refine transfer was used to take the refines on an old item and move it to another item. eg. +4 on a weapon transfered to a new weapon. And they will never bring it back. They don't want to lose Dragon Orb sales.

    they are not as cheap as you think, but dragon orbs cost way too much for a lot of players
  • QueenOfMagic - Heavens Tear
    QueenOfMagic - Heavens Tear Posts: 105 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i think the inital introduction of refining transfer would spkie D.orb sales but in the long run i think it would decrease it since everyone would have +5,+6 or higher and just keep transfering it to new gear although the trade off would be a constant sales of the boutique item required to do the refining transfer so either way PWE would have a constant income from refining anyways so personally i think they should add the refining transfer
  • Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver
    Trista_Zel - Dreamweaver Posts: 273 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Deathsscion - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Refine transfer was used to take the refines on an old item and move it to another item. eg. +4 on a weapon transfered to a new weapon. And they will never bring it back. They don't want to lose Dragon Orb sales.
    Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Suppose you refine your weapon to some high amount like +7 but later you outgrow the weapon and get a higher level one. With refinement transfer you can take that +7 and move it to your new weapon while reseting the refinement on the old weapon. This feature is available in other versions of PW and is available at the boutique agent.

    This requires an item from the boutique. The larger the refinement you want to transer the larger the cost but it won't be nearly as bad as having to refine from scratch.

    It is not obvious to me what affect this will have on dragon orb sales. You would think that people would be buying fewer orbs but it also encourages people to start doing high refines at an earlier level. Right now noone bothers refining their lvl 70 gear for example as its not worth it.

    Thanks for the info. As for the sales, I would think that they would make MORE money if the transfer item was CS. For example, someone buys 10 orbs to refine to +whateverlevel. If they couldn't transfer it, they'd wait until end game to refine instead of doing it with throw away gear at level 20 and spend X amount of dollars once. Now, with the transfer, they can do the same thing, but do it at level 20 and they'll spend X amount of dollars once for the orbs, then Y amount of dollars for the transfer item whenever it was time to upgrade. To me, it seems like a win-win situation for both us and PWI.
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  • FrKnDuDe - Harshlands
    FrKnDuDe - Harshlands Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    This used to work in the past. The catch is, you can only transfer the refine to a lower level weapon. Example, if you have a lvl 12 refined to +8, you can only transfer that +8 to a lvl 11 or lower weapon.

    The part I can't remember if it was to a lower level and -1 on the refine...translated lvl 12 refined to +8, you can only transfer the refine to a lvl 11 or lower and to a +7.

    The one i'm 100% positive is transfer refines to a lower lvl weapon. I've done this once around when Harshlands first was introduced.
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  • TigerLily - Lost City
    TigerLily - Lost City Posts: 1,209 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    God i raged about this for about 1 year now and still haven't gotten a valid reason why they don't bring the stones in cash shop and make the npc available.

    I'm guessing PWI wants us to +8-+10 3 different sets of endgame weapons, cloaks, armor, since they bring out new better stuff every expansion and event.

    Closest thing i got to an answer from my tickets was: "We don't offer the same cash shop items as the private servers and p2p servers".

    Which is ridiculous since you can transfer refine on all other official servers in other regions (WHICH NOT P2P SERVERS).

    I have like 2 +8 items in my inventory that i cant do anything with since its auto bound gold.

    Also you will loose all refines on you hh99 gold, CV and 100 orange weapon/armor if you upgrade them to grade 15 using the new instance that will come with expansion. To keep the refines you need the transfer refine stones, which this server probably wont offer. So all of us that has highly refined Lunar weapons etc just got screwed over by PWI again b:angry
  • LinterWing - Lost City
    LinterWing - Lost City Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    God i raged about this for about 1 year now and still haven't gotten a valid reason why they don't bring the stones in cash shop and make the npc available.

    I'm guessing PWI wants us to +8-+10 3 different sets of endgame weapons, cloaks, armor, since they bring out new better stuff every expansion and event.

    Closest thing i got to an answer from my tickets was: "We don't offer the same cash shop items as the private servers and p2p servers".

    Which is ridiculous since you can transfer refine on all other official servers in other regions (WHICH NOT P2P SERVERS).

    I have like 2 +8 items in my inventory that i cant do anything with since its auto bound gold.

    Also you will loose all refines on you hh99 gold, CV and 100 orange weapon/armor if you upgrade them to grade 15 using the new instance that will come with expansion. To keep the refines you need the transfer refine stones, which this server probably wont offer. So all of us that has highly refined Lunar weapons etc just got screwed over by PWI again b:angry

    Let's wait for few more monthsb:pleased
  • kingme99
    kingme99 Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »
    God i raged about this for about 1 year now and still haven't gotten a valid reason why they don't bring the stones in cash shop and make the npc available.

    I'm guessing PWI wants us to +8-+10 3 different sets of endgame weapons, cloaks, armor, since they bring out new better stuff every expansion and event.

    Closest thing i got to an answer from my tickets was: "We don't offer the same cash shop items as the private servers and p2p servers".

    Which is ridiculous since you can transfer refine on all other official servers in other regions (WHICH NOT P2P SERVERS).

    I have like 2 +8 items in my inventory that i cant do anything with since its auto bound gold.

    Also you will loose all refines on you hh99 gold, CV and 100 orange weapon/armor if you upgrade them to grade 15 using the new instance that will come with expansion. To keep the refines you need the transfer refine stones, which this server probably wont offer. So all of us that has highly refined Lunar weapons etc just got screwed over by PWI again b:angry


    You must've missed the thread discussing the Temple of Nirvana gear. It states that refines/sockets/gems CAN be transferred. The catch is, the higher your refine, more sockets you have and higher lvl gems will require more ToN mats to upgrade.
  • Alyyy - Sanctuary
    Alyyy - Sanctuary Posts: 3,165 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    yes b:surrender
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  • Miss_Tika - Lost City
    Miss_Tika - Lost City Posts: 730 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    OF COURSE EVERYONE WANTS THIS.

    But then PWI would lose money on dragon orbs sales.

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  • Davitiel - Heavens Tear
    Davitiel - Heavens Tear Posts: 978 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Oh wow, this feature sounds fantastic! I wonder why it was taken out. I doubt it was to sell more Dragon Orbs though. But if it was for that reason they could tweak it a bit so every time the refine is transfered the item loses a +1 or something like that.
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  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i am actually gonna say no, because it would be too easy to get a super wep with super high refines, the only thing i think should be able to do transfers on are TT99/LG95 weps for the upgrades because these weps are the last in the game so people generally do spend out to make them as high as possible.
  • TomoyoModoki - Sanctuary
    TomoyoModoki - Sanctuary Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    hmmm i was nvr aware it was ever implemented.

    but personally i think it sucks tat sum1 refines ther gear but once they out level it, the onli options r either keep it 4 a new char or 2 sell it nd hope 2 earn enough so tat u can refine ur next lv gear at least a lil. (usually u sell 4 a lot less than u spend 2 refine, whether u use gold or coins)

    so yes i do wish it was implemented.b:surrender
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  • Engita - Sanctuary
    Engita - Sanctuary Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I'd say yes if there was a reasonable penalty, say -1 refine per 10 levels so that people don't just like find some cheap low level refined equip and transfer it (with a minimum of -1). (seeing as how low level equipment is generally cheaper)
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  • eatwithspoons
    eatwithspoons Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I will change the thread title to clarify, but the people saying these have never been released are correct, so there is no way to bring them "back" when they have never been hereb:victory
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  • Ceshiari - Sanctuary
    Ceshiari - Sanctuary Posts: 757 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Engita - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'd say yes if there was a reasonable penalty, say -1 refine per 10 levels so that people don't just like find some cheap low level refined equip and transfer it (with a minimum of -1). (seeing as how low level equipment is generally cheaper)

    I would actually say this:

    Min level of refinement transfer be +4 at the cost of a refinement transfer stone of $10. That way, PWI still makes almost the same amount of money, and it ends up being cheaper for the players to transfer the refinement (with the exception of dragon orb sales)

    Then, the chance of successfully transferring lowers the higher the refinement bonus is.
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Deathsscion - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Refine transfer was used to take the refines on an old item and move it to another item. eg. +4 on a weapon transfered to a new weapon. And they will never bring it back. They don't want to lose Dragon Orb sales.
    Frankly i dont think PWI would loose on anything. Say if you get some who has +6 gear/weapon. If they already spent THAT much gold and coins to +6 it or buy it, if they are able to transfer the refines, VERY high chance theyll be indulging themselves on something ELSE ingame with the money they saved
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    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    o yes...i do believe people would be more likely to refine higher as well, and we know that higher refines cost a lot more than sticking to several lower refines.
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  • Ehee - Lost City
    Ehee - Lost City Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    kingme99 wrote: »
    You must've missed the thread discussing the Temple of Nirvana gear. It states that refines/sockets/gems CAN be transferred. The catch is, the higher your refine, more sockets you have and higher lvl gems will require more ToN mats to upgrade.

    pw is not going to give up on a chance to earn more money thus one of the mats req to bring over refine over is ...

    the refine transfer stone b:avoid
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