Flesh ream
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ElMiedo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
Anyway, if the OP is not having any problems with a level 1 flesh ream, why are you guys bugging out so much?
Its really not about whether he can hold aggro or not. It is more about which holds aggro BETTER.
Only way to truly test this is to have two barbs with identical stats and equips (or just a level 1 polearm and nothing else) one with level 1 ream and one with level 10 ream. Then get another person with low damage output and calculate when aggro is stolen.
I wouldnt even trust a GM answer to this, unless they provide an equation to aggro.I was early taught to work as well as play,
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ElMiedo - Heavens Tear wrote: »But to say "Flesh Ream has an un-written passive, the higher the level the more aggro or "hate" is placed on the mob to you" is pure assumption. An assumption which I believe is incorrect because roar has a description for aggro increase upon lvling up.
Exactly what im trying to say, but they seem to be sure there is an equation or aggro meterb:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Because being random isn't enough.b:thanks
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Go to fb79 with a lvl90+ archer, Go to a random boss, Let archer DD first then grab aggro while archer keeps DDing.
Now do that with both lvl1 and then lvl10 Fleash Ream b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
ElMiedo - Heavens Tear wrote: »But to say "Flesh Ream has an un-written passive, the higher the level the more aggro or "hate" is placed on the mob to you" is pure assumption. An assumption which I believe is incorrect because roar has a description for aggro increase upon lvling up.
Theres enough going on in the game that doesn't have a accurate text description.
Where did you find text saying roar, frighten, surfimpact, alclarity, stomp and the buffs give you added chi?
Do you leech HP when you sunder? I don't. I heal and I see a bleed and they aren't the same amount either.
Does your shapeshifting intensify add physical attack? Mine adds pdef.
Is our ultimate PK move called armageddon or perdition? Cause I see both names in game.
Firestorm is a straight line aoe, yet if you have two mobs side by side close enough they will both take damage?
Swell is a fan like aoe, but where does it say its from left to right? (if you didnt get that, swell works best used while selecting the rightmost mob in the group).
Where does it say that HP and accuracy buffs will stack with +HP or +acc bonuses but not with +% bonuses?
And look up a thread for the skill description of some sage and demon skills. They are hilarious.
Bottom line is:- Dont just rely on the damn text.When the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Theres enough going on in the game that doesn't have a accurate text description.
Where did you find text saying roar, frighten, surfimpact, alclarity, stomp and the buffs give you added chi?
Do you leech HP when you sunder? I don't. I heal and I see a bleed and they aren't the same amount either.
Does your shapeshifting intensify add physical attack? Mine adds pdef.
Is our ultimate PK move called armageddon or perdition? Cause I see both names in game.
Firestorm is a straight line aoe, yet if you have two mobs side by side close enough they will both take damage?
Swell is a fan like aoe, but where does it say its from left to right? (if you didnt get that, swell works best used while selecting the rightmost mob in the group).
Where does it say that HP and accuracy buffs will stack with +HP or +acc bonuses but not with +% bonuses?
And look up a thread for the skill description of some sage and demon skills. They are hilarious.
Bottom line is:- Dont just rely on the damn text.
There are also skills telling you the effect >.>[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Because being random isn't enough.b:thanks
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Nix's Flesh Ream is way better.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Theres enough going on in the game that doesn't have a accurate text description.
Where did you find text saying roar, frighten, surfimpact, alclarity, stomp and the buffs give you added chi?
Do you leech HP when you sunder? I don't. I heal and I see a bleed and they aren't the same amount either.
Does your shapeshifting intensify add physical attack? Mine adds pdef.
Is our ultimate PK move called armageddon or perdition? Cause I see both names in game.
Firestorm is a straight line aoe, yet if you have two mobs side by side close enough they will both take damage?
Swell is a fan like aoe, but where does it say its from left to right? (if you didnt get that, swell works best used while selecting the rightmost mob in the group).
Where does it say that HP and accuracy buffs will stack with +HP or +acc bonuses but not with +% bonuses?
And look up a thread for the skill description of some sage and demon skills. They are hilarious.
Aw come on, you're just being picky. Many of those things can easily be discovered and proven as fact. Therefore, they really don't need....overly detailed descriptions. Though some of the demon/sage stuff is just screwed b:chuckle
But to make the assumption that ream increases aggro upon lvling is a pretty big statement. It isn't something that can be easily proven; there are too many factors. Since no one really knows exactly how the aggro works, and seeing as how there is no visible "aggro meter", you can't just say that and claim that it's a fact. I'll stick to the descriptions in this one.0 -
Ok, there's somebody who can explain my point b:bye
Levels on flesh ream is to upgrade ammount of damage dealt over the time, not to make it hate you more b:scorn[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Ok, OK!
Right now I'm having trouble holding aggro with demon archers higher than me in party with my lvl10 fleshream. I'm saving up and somehow trying to get a sage fleshream. If that helps me hold aggro better, then my point is proven! b:chuckleWhen the going gets tough; Get a tank!
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LOLARATIONNATION!!
Kk @ OP. please KEEP using the lvl1 fleshream k?^^
I mean YOU GOT IT DUDE!! WOW! You done outsmarted ALL higher lvl barbs since the beginning of pwi!!!^___^
You the BEST lah^^^^^^^^^
WOOOT![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Devlinne - Lost City wrote: »LOLARATIONNATION!!
Kk @ OP. please KEEP using the lvl1 fleshream k?^^
I mean YOU GOT IT DUDE!! WOW! You done outsmarted ALL higher lvl barbs since the beginning of pwi!!!^___^
You the BEST lah^^^^^^^^^
WOOOT!
b:sad True Dev, we got outsmarted...I should have kept fleash ream lvl1
b:cry I feel so noob now
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Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ok, OK!
Right now I'm having trouble holding aggro with demon archers higher than me in party with my lvl10 fleshream. I'm saving up and somehow trying to get a sage fleshream. If that helps me hold aggro better, then my point is proven! b:chuckle
Good luckb:scorn even if sage FR only reduces chi cost and deals a bit more damage[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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YouStoleMyPi - Dreamweaver wrote: »Good luckb:scorn even if sage FR only reduces chi cost and deals a bit more damage
LOL b:chuckle,
i just have one question...who do u squad with ?
have u ever tried a boss with DECENT(not even saying good, just decent) ARCHER or MAGE ?
even if they doesnt go "ALL OUT" i hardly think ull be able to keep aggro with ur L1-F.R. even if u can spam it b:bye...
so prove us that u can keep aggro over an archer or mage with that...Levels on flesh ream is to upgrade ammount of damage dealt over the time, not to make it hate you more
again, ur talking of something u DONT KNOW, dont assume things as facts b:shutup[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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YouStoleMyPi - Dreamweaver wrote: »First, I used about 2-3 oracles since i am playing
Second, my bad for the 100% accurate, but it still says: "turn aggression upon you"
Third, You keep saying level 10 has a better aggro effect, but where it is written?b:scorn
where is it written that a veno battle pet skill bash makes any agro at all?
where is it written that a veno battle pet skill bash makes more agro with a higher level?
its not. but it does work that way. bash (along with elemental bashes) and petskill roar makes more agro when leveled up, and bash dosent even say it draws mob attention, but it does.
just because something isnt plainly written in the game dosent mean it dont work that way. try turning on your brain before coming and posting things mindlessly. b:shutupi'm pro all classes, and against none in particular..
but the age old QQ about venos is just that. OLD.
QQ'd about a nix lately? check out this thread n tell me who's "OP" lol..
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GohRaL - Sanctuary wrote: »
i just have one question...who do u squad with ?
have u ever tried a boss with DECENT(not even saying good, just decent) ARCHER or MAGE ?
again, ur talking of something u DONT KNOW, dont assume things as facts b:shutup
I squad with people around my level and I think i squad with pretty good wizards
and also, I am doing what you are all doing, assumming things as facts: you are all saying lvl 10 FR is better than lvl 1 without proof and you can't proove it without remaking a barbarian because you all have lvl 10 FR.
also xxxdsmer, where it is written it doesn't?(It should be written for FR, like Roar skill)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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YouStoleMyPi - Dreamweaver wrote: »
and also, I am doing what you are all doing, assumming things as facts: you are all saying lvl 10 FR is better than lvl 1 without proof and you can't proove it without remaking a barbarian because you all have lvl 10 FR.
Lol...Sometimes ppl like you make me want to smack something, preferably your kind o.0 A whole bunch of higher lvl, expirienced barbs just told you how to try and find out which one holds aggro better. (Same barb lvl, equipment and stats, with lvl1FR and 10FR etc.) But you just dont want to try that out and find out the sad truth do you? :<
Also, you should already know that skill descriptions are screwed up. In my skill tree it says Peredition but my skill is called Armageddon. Just because it doesnt say it in the text doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Just like xxxdsmer said ._.
Btw, your thread really amused me. I lol'd
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I've been following this thread and haven't said anything. I don't have any *FACTS* to prove my assumption that FR at lvl 10 holds aggro better than FR at lvl1. However the OP has the same lack of facts to prove his hypothesis.
The best way, IMHO, to test this hypothesis (FR1 = FR10 for holding aggro) would be to find a soloable boss and have the OP (with his lvl1 FR) and another barb with lvl10 FR see who holds aggro using only FR.
So the question is can OP steal aggro from a WB spamming lvl10 FR? If yes, then the assumption of the OP is true.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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First, I don't have many barbarian as friends also, nobody has the same equip as me. I already did some flesh ream fights, I held aggro until the other barb use flesh ream and he held until I use mine and we did that until the mob dies[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've been following this thread and haven't said anything. I don't have any *FACTS* to prove my assumption that FR at lvl 10 holds aggro better than FR at lvl1. However the OP has the same lack of facts to prove his hypothesis.
The best way, IMHO, to test this hypothesis (FR1 = FR10 for holding aggro) would be to find a soloable boss and have the OP (with his lvl1 FR) and another barb with lvl10 FR see who holds aggro using only FR.
So the question is can OP steal aggro from a WB spamming lvl10 FR? If yes, then the assumption of the OP is true.
Agreed! Personally my ream is still at lvl 5, I haven't really noticed much difference in the levels. Someone should test this...
EDIT: This is the Miedo man.0 -
XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »I've been following this thread and haven't said anything. I don't have any *FACTS* to prove my assumption that FR at lvl 10 holds aggro better than FR at lvl1. However the OP has the same lack of facts to prove his hypothesis.
The best way, IMHO, to test this hypothesis (FR1 = FR10 for holding aggro) would be to find a soloable boss and have the OP (with his lvl1 FR) and another barb with lvl10 FR see who holds aggro using only FR.
So the question is can OP steal aggro from a WB spamming lvl10 FR? If yes, then the assumption of the OP is true.
I have to disagree with your method. 1st off any barb that uses FR will pull aggro from another person. That's what fleshream does. A lvl 30 can come up to a mob that a lvl80 barb has and flesh ream it 1 time and get aggro fora moment. So trading hits and seeing who holds aggro that way will not work.
The best way is to squad 2 barbs with different lvl flesh reams and see who can hold a boss better with higher lvl DDs.
Try doing it on yan in hidden orchid or wraged wraith chief or one of the chrono bosses. You can have clerics healing on the side and 5 DDs plus a barb take a boss and see how each fair. IMO this will be the best way.0 -
^that
we are not talking of 2 barbs on the same squad, who steal aggro every FR
wer talking of 2 tanks that have different FR level, and wondering who keeps aggro better in squad
same boss done once for each squad, one is FR10 and other FR1
i personally think that FR10 holds it better[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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YouStoleMyPi - Dreamweaver wrote: »I squad with people around my level and I think i squad with pretty good wizards
and also, I am doing what you are all doing, assumming things as facts: you are all saying lvl 10 FR is better than lvl 1 without proof and you can't proove it without remaking a barbarian because you all have lvl 10 FR.
also xxxdsmer, where it is written it doesn't?(It should be written for FR, like Roar skill)
Fact: The amount of damage done increases the threat lvl, thus lvl 10 will hold aggro better then lvl 1 just off of that alone. Any additional effects probaly increase along with damage. Would make sence, seen as every other skill you realy look at the effects all increase with lvl.
On a side note i've found that devour gets aggro and holds it better than fleshrealm. I use that as my main aggro skill and i never lose aggro even to archers and wizards higher than me. I use roar to grab multiple targets at once.0 -
don't know if anyone corrected baalbak (hope i spelled it right), but one little thing was mentioned that i don't want to let slip by
the Roar skill (Bluster, for those used to my-en terms) does not increase aggro. it RESETS aggro, which is an amazingly important difference
Roar is your "panic button" skill, for those times that DD's somehow steal aggro from you, or if you're doing a instance run without a BM for crowd-control. what it does, is it hits all mobs within a certain radius, and on all those mobs all aggro/hate is wiped clean, then a hefty chunk of fresh new aggro/hate is placed on them directed at the barb who used the skill. it is literally impossible for any class to hold their current aggro when a barb uses Roar. however, if a barb uses Roar, all previous aggro is lost, therefore it is extremely easy to out-aggro the initial buffer the Roar skill places on the mobs it affects
hope that makes sense to you all (the veno pet skill functions exactly the same way, but is not an AoE)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Esteven - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have to disagree with your method. 1st off any barb that uses FR will pull aggro from another person.
Agreed. But will lvl1 fleshream pull aggro from lvl10 FR? That's the question.
I doubt any lvl30 WB can pull aggro from me while I'm FR. I've been in TT squads with lower level WB that have FR'd and I didn't lose aggro. I understand your reasoning, but it seems to me that a higher level of FR increases the "threat level" perceived by the mob, thereby higher threat level gets aggro from the mob.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »Agreed. But will lvl1 fleshream pull aggro from lvl10 FR? That's the question.
I doubt any lvl30 WB can pull aggro from me while I'm FR. I've been in TT squads with lower level WB that have FR'd and I didn't lose aggro. I understand your reasoning, but it seems to me that a higher level of FR increases the "threat level" perceived by the mob, thereby higher threat level gets aggro from the mob.
In my first TT1-2 run(I was lvl 68), we had a level 80 barbarian tanking. We were doing dimentora, and I FR'd him because I was bored, I held aggro until the other barb uses his FR, so yea, lvl 1 FR can pull and hold aggro from a lvl 10 FR on a WB[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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FR was one of the cheapest skills ,and was able to max very early. I understand the debate as to it's actual increase in effectiveness,but why would someone be so proud of not lvling such an easy skill to master? I can see debating the sage lvl FR, but come on..why would you not lvl FR..the mana consumption? Hmm....0
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Pretty much this. It's become a source of both comedy and frustration on my barb for me to save their asses with roar, then them think it's ok to AOE the **** out of everything as if I can just roar right away again. b:chuckleAlexeno - Sanctuary wrote: »don't know if anyone corrected baalbak (hope i spelled it right), but one little thing was mentioned that i don't want to let slip by
the Roar skill (Bluster, for those used to my-en terms) does not increase aggro. it RESETS aggro, which is an amazingly important difference
Roar is your "panic button" skill, for those times that DD's somehow steal aggro from you, or if you're doing a instance run without a BM for crowd-control. what it does, is it hits all mobs within a certain radius, and on all those mobs all aggro/hate is wiped clean, then a hefty chunk of fresh new aggro/hate is placed on them directed at the barb who used the skill. it is literally impossible for any class to hold their current aggro when a barb uses Roar. however, if a barb uses Roar, all previous aggro is lost, therefore it is extremely easy to out-aggro the initial buffer the Roar skill places on the mobs it affects
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Ok this isn't the same as comparing lvl 1 to 10 FR, but similar.
Basically in fb89, with lvl 10 FR, when demon archer goes all out on a boss, i could not keep aggro. The archer would take it.
When i got sage FR, same boss, same archer, i had lvled once to 89, the demon archer goes all out again, but i kept aggro (just) on the boss.
Bare in mind i was spamming flesh ream from start to finish...
From that i can say lvling FR does increase the "hate" u produce, but seeing as its lvl 10 to lvl 11 flesh ream im comparing i'll probly get told im talking jibberish by the unfriendly community b:surrender0 -
X_trigger_X - Heavens Tear wrote: »Ok this isn't the same as comparing lvl 1 to 10 FR, but similar.
Basically in fb89, with lvl 10 FR, when demon archer goes all out on a boss, i could not keep aggro. The archer would take it.
When i got sage FR, same boss, same archer, i had lvled once to 89, the demon archer goes all out again, but i kept aggro (just) on the boss.
Bare in mind i was spamming flesh ream from start to finish...
From that i can say lvling FR does increase the "hate" u produce, but seeing as its lvl 10 to lvl 11 flesh ream im comparing i'll probly get told im talking jibberish by the unfriendly community b:surrender
No unfriendly community jibberish here...your post had some good info I can use. I squad on a semi-regular basis with a demon fist BM who steals aggro quite often. I can hold aggro against almost anybody else, but once he hits his demon spark, it's all gone out the window.
So thanks for that info.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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YouStoleMyPi - Dreamweaver wrote: »Flesh ream level 1 is better than lvl 10.(Until lvl 89(Demon/Sage))
Let me explain you why:
Level 1 cost way less mana and barbarians have low mana regeneration
Level 10 deals a bit more damage, but not enough to make a difference at lvl 60+
Both have the same aggro effect.
Both cost 20 chi.
You can go afk for a long time with lvl 1 by putting something heavy on flesh ream Hotkey(with the mana cost, you won't run out of mana and chi gaining speed is enough fast to cast flesh ream every 10 seconds or so)b:chuckle
Im telling you that, because I been called a "noob" or "failure" because my flesh ream was level 1.
No Comment, its sad that my first barb one shot was a fail barbb:cry totally discredit it, now i have to one shot a new barb b:surrenderGohRaL - Sanctuary wrote: »LOL,
i just have one question...who do u squad with ?
have u ever tried a boss with DECENT(not even saying good, just decent) ARCHER or MAGE ?
even if they doesnt go "ALL OUT" i hardly think ull be able to keep aggro with ur L1-F.R. even if u can spam it...
so prove us that u can keep aggro over an archer or mage with that...
again, ur talking of something u DONT KNOW, dont assume things as facts
I would squad with Pi but i dont think his lvl 1 flesh ream can keep up with my 10k-30k non crit damageb:surrender(on regular bosses not TT ones >.>)Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0
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