is fb59 really worth it?

Posts: 1 Arc User
edited November 2009 in General Discussion
so i have to spend 300k for all this wine and for what, for a 3 star object? no thanks
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  • Posts: 1,048 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Depends on your goal. It's obviously worth it if it's to get cultivated.
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  • Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    so i have to spend 300k for all this wine and for what, for a 3 star object? no thanks

    congratulations?
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  • Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    you know you can gather the mats right...

    actually naw it's not worth it. just let your cultivation level end at Coalescence, not have an extra spark, not have your 2 spark skills, not go on to Demon/Sage later in the game.
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  • Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Who says you have to spend coin for the wine?

    Do it the old fashioned way like I did, and many others before and after me...

    MAKE YOUR OWN WINES!
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  • Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Who says you have to spend coin for the wine?

    Do it the old fashioned way like I did, and many others before and after me...

    MAKE YOUR OWN WINES!

    Or do it unwined...

    And 59 drops tons of rep badges, so it is one of the few that is worth to do unwined. The only other ones are 89+
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  • Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    You know.. that isnt all that bad. I remember using wine for fb29/39, when the servers were still new. Fb59 was estimated to take 5hours (unwined) with a lvl 5x/6x squad...
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  • Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    is it for the culti?

    also, most people i ask will not do it without the wine
  • Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Who says you have to spend coin for the wine?

    Do it the old fashioned way like I did, and many others before and after me...

    MAKE YOUR OWN WINES!
    Yep. I did it same like you. BUT
    There is a problem with FB 89 wines. You cannot gather material by yourself, because this mats. is not in world map. You have to have access to heaven/hell maps. There is this mats. But this access you will get after your 89 cultivation.
    So 89 wines you have to buy.b:thanks
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  • Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Yep. I did it same like you. BUT
    There is a problem with FB 89 wines. You cannot gather material by yourself, because this mats. is not in world map. You have to have access to heaven/hell maps. There is this mats. But this access you will get after your 89 cultivation.
    So 89 wines you have to buy.b:thanks

    Not talking about 89 wines in this thread, we're talking fb59. But I do appreciate your info. :)
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  • Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Yep. I did it same like you. BUT
    There is a problem with FB 89 wines. You cannot gather material by yourself, because this mats. is not in world map. You have to have access to heaven/hell maps. There is this mats. But this access you will get after your 89 cultivation.
    So 89 wines you have to buy.b:thanks

    The op is talking about 59, as in FIFTY-NINE not EIGHTY-NINE
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  • Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Not talking about 89 wines in this thread, we're talking fb59. But I do appreciate your info. :)

    YW. I wanted to make my 89 wines like usually. I was everywhere in maps, but I couldn't find materials. Then I figure out where is the problem.b:victory
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  • Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    The op is talking about 59, as in FIFTY-NINE not EIGHTY-NINE

    I know. That we talking about 59. I just made some little notice about 89 wines, which mats. cannot be gathered by yourself.b:laugh
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  • Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I know. That we talking about 59. I just made some little notice about 89 wines, which mats. cannot be gathered by yourself.b:laugh

    Both 89's are not to bad unwined tbh.

    And yes 59 is worth it, its needed for your culti. Either farm the mats yourself or try and get a squad to help unwined.
  • Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    so i have to spend 300k for all this wine and for what, for a 3 star object? no thanks
    Well, unwined, unless they want L5 stamps and to waste a lot of unnecessary time (as you don't need any mobs from this FB, just bosses as far as monsters go), those two words in the bold is the answer you're going to get most of the time if you want help with it. Guess what it'll be come FB69 and FB79 if you don't want to wine it? I'll give you a hint. *points to bold*

    Overall, there's no reason not to wine it. You can farm the mats yourself and not "spend 300k".
  • Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    ok thanks. i will farm the mats myself. but where?
  • Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    hemoglobin wrote: »
    ok thanks. i will farm the mats myself. but where?

    everywhere. You can gather herbs and mats. as wood,iron,stone etc. b:pleased Even underwater.
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  • Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    You know.. that isnt all that bad. I remember using wine for fb29/39, when the servers were still new. Fb59 was estimated to take 5hours (unwined) with a lvl 5x/6x squad...


    Funny, cause I think I was soloing it in less than 2 hours in my 70s. It shouldn't take more than an hour unwined and many people are willing to do it on the older servers.
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  • Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Let us break this down into a terribly simple format.

    1. If you don't want to pay for wines, make them yourself. You can go and talk to the wine maker in Archo to see what mats you'll need, and then run around the world map to your hearts content gathering any mat you see until you have enough. Yes, it may take a bit longer, but if you do this it also happens to be free.

    2. Awwwww, you only got one three star? Well I hate to break it to you but for some people that can be considered good luck - I know plenty of people who didn't even get a three star in their 59. Drops are based on luck alone, be happy you got anything instead of QQing that you were too lazy to farm the mats yourself and only got one three star at the end of it.

    A hint; FBs are not supposed to refund what you may pay to run them. No, they are not supposed to drop you a mold if you spend 300k on the wines.
    FB59 isn't necessarily a long FB to run unwined, but it is a great waste of time unless you are going particularly out of your way to gather the stamps the mobs can drop there. Many people are either too lazy themselves or don't have the time to run an unwined FB - although I myself can't really say I care unless I'm running short on ammo.
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  • Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    It only took my veno+herc about 3-3.5 hours to solo it at 67, a good half of that time being the boss fights. A high level group should be able to blow through the whole thing in less than an hour unwined. A good mid-level group should be able to finish the whole thing in 1.5 hours or less. The key word being "good". If you get archers/casters who keep attacking stuff that run up walls so that they don't come back down, forcing the melee folks to stand there doing nothing (as well as losing any loot), it's going to take you a lot longer. Same for people who insist on single-pulling everything with a veno. If you'll only get 2 mobs, just send the veno pet to tank one while the group kills the other first.

    The stamps drops were outrageous when I did it from levels 67-73. I averaged 8-12 stamps per clear, which corresponds to about 80 rep. At market rate that's about 800k worth of rep you're giving up by wining it.
  • Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    59 is one of the fun ones. And what with BH for zimo Quingzi and Drake it's not hard at all to get squads who know how to do a spoke in 15 minutes.

    Also, even if you do wine it - you've got five bosses in there - so you get five shots at purples and molds.
  • Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited November 2009

    Also, even if you do wine it - you've got five bosses in there - so you get five shots at purples and molds.



    ...awesome!
  • Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Or do it unwined...

    And 59 drops tons of rep badges, so it is one of the few that is worth to do unwined. The only other ones are 89+

    This. I did it unwined EASILY, and on my BHs there I always seem to get a rep stamp or badge.
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  • Posts: 130 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Gather the mats, or run it unwined. It may not be worth the 300k you spent(ouch) but 2 sparks is nice
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  • Posts: 107 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I have done it both way, along with FB 69. If you want to get stuff, go unwined. Also, if you got only one 3* item, you may have had prople 20+ levels higher than the bosses. Go here http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/drop and notice how the normal item drops get nerfed by having high levels in party. The botom of that page does suggest that the molds drop with no regard to the levels of the party members. In my experience, it is incrediably rare (as in I do not remember it ever happening) that molds drop when no normnal items drop.
  • Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    With the current state of wine prices and BH. Fb59 can be added to the "no need for wine" group. My first BH was for the water boss in fb59, and that was also my last bh in fb59. Took us 15minutes TOPS to reach, and kill the boss. Plus, it was the first/second day BH came out, so squads were kinda (insert word here).

    Now, fbs generally have higher levels, say 8x, which should breeze through the fb in 1h or so. Never tried it but, it would be pretty cool if a squad tabs all 5 at the beginning, then lures all 5 bosses to the middle. Then, fight them all at once. would be pretty fast if that was possible.
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