Defence +1 = What exactly? help me spoons!

They beat me! Yeah, that's about right. b:victory

rhapsodus wrote: »

i have a question then. let's say at lv 90, i have a pdef of like 15k and the description says it reduces physical damage taken by level 80 things by 80%. does this mean that if i shard all my items with defense level stones, meaning i get +24% damage reduction, i get a 100% damage reduction?

I'm almost certain there is a cap, allowing full invincibility would not be something that would be desirable or possible.

rhapsodus wrote: »

i have a question then. let's say at lv 90, i have a pdef of like 15k and the description says it reduces physical damage taken by level 80 things by 80%. does this mean that if i shard all my items with defense level stones, meaning i get +24% damage reduction, i get a 100% damage reduction?

I believe it works like this. dont quote me on it:

You have 50% physical damage reduction and +10defence level.
Someone's attack deals 1000damage to no amour/defense.

The damage dealt would be like this:
1000damage x 0.9 (because of the defense level) = 900damage
900damage x.5 (because of the physical damage reduction) = 450damage dealt

Without the +10 def level it would be like this:
1000damage x 0.5 (for 50% phy. dmg reduction) = 500damage dealt.

Ascii - Harshlands wrote: »

Defence +1 means you suffer 1% less damage from all targets. like for example a 1000 Hit from someone becomes 990.

Why then is the game set up to give you worse items for combining the highest level gems?

Garnet gem is +75 to phys attack, +125 to phys defense

Combine 6 of them to make a Drakeflame stone, +100 to attack, +170 to defense. No problem there, more is better.

Combine 6 of those to make a Diamond of tiger, +1 to attack level. This implies that +1 to attack level is better than +100 to attack. But if the 1% thing is right, then your weapon would have to have more than 10,000 phys attack for +1 attack level to be better than +100 to attack.

Combine 3 of those to make a Diamond of dragon, +1 to defense level. This implies that +1 to defense level is much better than +170 to defense. But if the 1% thing is right, then this item comes nowhere near being as good as +170 to defense.

At level 105, if you have 10k pdef, you have 70.4% damage reduction, or 29.6% damage transmitted. If you increased this to 10170 pdef, you have 70.8% damage reduction, or 29.2% damage transmitted. This is a 1.2% reduction in damage. So again, +170 defense is better than +1 defense level.

So why are the higher level stones worse than the lower level ones?

thanks for the answers =]

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Why then is the game set up to give you worse items for combining the highest level gems?

Garnet gem is +75 to phys attack, +125 to phys defense

Combine 6 of them to make a Drakeflame stone, +100 to attack, +170 to defense. No problem there, more is better.

Combine 6 of those to make a Diamond of tiger, +1 to attack level. This implies that +1 to attack level is better than +100 to attack. But if the 1% thing is right, then your weapon would have to have more than 10,000 phys attack for +1 attack level to be better than +100 to attack.

Combine 3 of those to make a Diamond of dragon, +1 to defense level. This implies that +1 to defense level is much better than +170 to defense. But if the 1% thing is right, then this item comes nowhere near being as good as +170 to defense.

At level 105, if you have 10k pdef, you have 70.4% damage reduction, or 29.6% damage transmitted. If you increased this to 10170 pdef, you have 70.8% damage reduction, or 29.2% damage transmitted. This is a 1.2% reduction in damage. So again, +170 defense is better than +1 defense level.

So why are the higher level stones worse than the lower level ones?

You are forgeting one thing. The +def level will negate the enemy with +Attck on their gear one level, any leftovers will be apply as 1% reductions. (ty Darksylph for the correction)

So lets say you have 24 of this on and you are fighting someone with a warsoul. Off the bat, their +50 attack power bonus would be cut to only +26 attack power bonus.

Unlike +pdef which works as a percentage of defense, the +def stones will directly reduce the enemy attack power by the same value.

Remember, these are end-game stones, that one would be using after all the gear was already +12, and where enemies will have +attack power stones and bonuses on their gear as well. And the reduction is on physical and magic damage types, so it is superior to just one damage type.