New classes-New server

heybigbadj · November 2009

First off, I will start with a disclaimer: I know there are many other topics precisely like this. However, I would really like to make my own thread presenting why I think (and others too, I believe) would like a new server to come along with the expansion.

AND PLEASE EVERYONE, Do not post about how the GMs will never create new servers until the absolute need arises. This is a post to keep hope flowing in the veins of those who wish to have a chance to start anew, and as such, I would like people to post here SIMPLY WHETHER OR NOT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA.-And please, before you say the idea is trash, please think if you would like to keep playing on the same servers forever when everyone has reached a plateau (While the new players struggle to catch up for an eternity)

Here are the things that I believe, and That I have also heard from other people quite often:

1.New Classes? Who wants to start brand new characters, and spend MONTHS leveling them to even have a CHANCE to be near catching up to other old players levels? (Unless you oracle due to already being rich)

2. On old servers, there is simply NO WAY to catch up to the high levels, and actually enjoy the game as if you are playing, rather than working... unless you oracle or grind for months and months (At least a month and a half even if you don't even work or go to school!)

3. A New server really helps to stimulate players continued interest in the game, where as right now, I know many people have quit as a result of the events that only made the rich richer (and higher level due to oracling) and the poor who started on the server late just have to deal with the depressing thought that, well, they NEVER WILL catch up and enjoy the game.

4. Something I know the Developers would love: An Increase of zen charges, which I am 100 percent confident would more than pay the developers/gms back for the fees and effort which would result from creating a new server.

There are many other reasons Why I believe this would be a good idea, and why I believe the expansion would be the best reason to do it, but I will not go on forever. Other players feel free to respond in a respectful and MATURE manner, and It would also be awesome if the gms take notice to this topic, and just deeply consider adding a new server. Thanks alot for the time, and patience to read all this.

forks89 · November 2009

Blah Blah Blah Blah

I don't wanna work hard

Blah Blah Blah Blah

New servers are not needed. Realize that a good portion of the higher levels were not the original high levels.. in fact they started after them. So basic summary if you wanna catch up and you really set your mind to it you can... If its too "hard" for you just go play on a pserver.

Morganna - Lost City · November 2009

You have just as good of a chance to be the highest tideborn on the server wherever you go. I don't think we need new servers.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · November 2009

The GMs already stated that they are not created a new server until there is needed for one.

Yes it needs to be said.

1. That is what would happen on a new server, on a old server you will see level 80+ characters within a week tops.

2. If you were to oracle to level 85, it would take you around 3 days. So I do not see where you pulling your months and months of grinding. Unless you talking about the disadvantage of having new servers.

3. Not really, unless they were to make those servers GMT and GMT +14, that would cater to the European players and Asian Players. However you would be looking at 4 new servers for that. The 2 newest ones are nowhere near packed.... Even the older ones are not overcrowded. The most common question new players ask when joining is "which server is the most popular" and they tend to join those. Most people do not like to play in ghost town servers.

4. Not really, since you would have old players moving from one server to another, so the amount they would spend would just just shift from one server to another. New players would join one of the servers, so its not like they money would also multiply. In fact, new servers would reduce the amound of gold available in all servers, causing gold prices to go up in all servers, specialy the new servers.

__Longshot__ - Sanctuary · November 2009

1. New classes, to me, means something new and interesting to do, whether on a new server or old.

2. I'm not playing PW so i can catch up with high level players, i play to have fun.

3. Arch still seems full to me.

4. New server = more $$ for equipment, more $$ for bandwidth costs, more $$ for more gm's to patrol the new server.

I think there's enough servers.

Angel__sora - Sanctuary · November 2009

heybigbadj wrote: »

AND PLEASE EVERYONE, Do not post about how the GMs will never create new servers until the absolute need arises.

Why can't we post that? That's the reality of the situation.

Zion - Dreamweaver · November 2009

because he knows the reality. Why do you all have to post that on every thread? Especially if he stated in his opening paragraph that he is aware of it and asked u not to.

The GMs and Mods have the power to close threads, and they can even comment on them too believe it or not. By posting yourself you may think that you are helping the GMs but you are actually just annoying.

heybigbadj · November 2009

Ok, Seriously wtf happened to the people who want a new server? I always hear people saying they want a new one, yet it seems every single person who posts here is either a flaming troll, or simply a pessimist. Just another reason why I am quitting this game. Got three characters to 70+, and for what? The community sucks, the players all have troll type attitudes where you get flamed for trying to state your opinion, and everything else with the anniversary packs and stuff. Thanks guys for showing me the light, and getting me off this game.

MagicHamsta - Lost City · November 2009

sowwys....but you just too lazy....

me just started this game in august of 2009. thats slightly more then 3 months.
<---me joined the forum as soon as me started.

seriously 3 months be a very very short time and me am already 73.... and me probably am busier then you are. what with being stuck 4 days a week in this strange cage you call "school" along with teh social life. (X_x)'
me suggest you learn to play. (>.<)'

Zion - Dreamweaver · November 2009

hamster, i think thats just the kind of attitude he is talking about. And btw 73 in 3 months is not good, so stop trying to brag. You are being rude to this guy and you're trolling. So are most of the other people that post here. OP is completely right about the community on these forums. Pretty much every every idea i have read in teh suggestion threads has gotten flamed.

something really needs to be done or the game will lose even more players like the OP, i will be leaving soon if things continue the way they have been.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear · November 2009

Zion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

hamster, i think thats just the kind of attitude he is talking about. And btw 73 in 3 months is not good, so stop trying to brag. You are being rude to this guy and you're trolling. So are most of the other people that post here. OP is completely right about the community on these forums. Pretty much every every idea i have read in teh suggestion threads has gotten flamed.

something really needs to be done or the game will lose even more players like the OP, i will be leaving soon if things continue the way they have been.

Zion, there is such thing as bad ideas. The reasons he stated for a new server, were bad reasons.

I even offered a suggestion for what may make a new server make sense in the eyes of the company. (obviously, based on my opinion)

The OP assumed that there were others that thought the same as he did, and apparently that was not the case, and his feelings got hurt. His comment "Ok, Seriously wtf happened to the people who want a new server? " is also rude, I have no idea howcome the people he thought supported his ideas did not post, however, using rude remarks will not help his cause either.

Zion - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Ice, my statements were not directed at you. Im sorry if they offended you. Had i expected things to progess as they have in this thread, i would have just linked the OP to a thread that has GM approval on this topic. so for anyone looking for that thread check here:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=492632

But i agree with the OP that a new server would be great, but maybe for other reasons seeing as i didnt read what his reasons were. But i have given many reasons already, and so have some other people in the thread i posted.

And as far as why others did not post i offer 2 possible reasons:

1) they are afraid of getting flamed, as pretty much everyone has that supports a new server

2) they have already left the game and forums, as the OP now has, and as i will soon if things continue this way

I dont want that to happen however, and i am attempting to work with GMs to help improve the issue, and prevent such things from continuing to occur.

heybigbadj · November 2009

First off, thanks Zion for approaching the topic with what it was created to inspire: MATURE RESPONSES CONTAINING NO FLAMING. Yes, I am still not going to play this game again unless a new server comes out, but let me make something perfectly clear to people like Magichamsta. I have 3 characters, level 70+ thank you very much, and among those a herc veno (which i actually farmed for in game!) So don't tell me I don't know how to "work". The purpose of this thread based on a new server is that competing on the older servers is exactly that-WORKING. Don't tell me I don't know what work is, or that I am lazy. If you want to flame, do it on a thread that was not created with the intent of mature responses, EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE. Simply put, perhaps your own immaturity and self confidence issues should not drive you to TRASH OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS!

Angel__sora - Sanctuary · November 2009

Zion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Ice, my statements were not directed at you. Im sorry if they offended you. Had i expected things to progess as they have in this thread, i would have just linked the OP to a thread that has GM approval on this topic. so for anyone looking for that thread check here:

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=492632

But i agree with the OP that a new server would be great, but maybe for other reasons seeing as i didnt read what his reasons were. But i have given many reasons already, and so have some other people in the thread i posted.

And as far as why others did not post i offer 2 possible reasons:

1) they are afraid of getting flamed, as pretty much everyone has that supports a new server

2) they have already left the game and forums, as the OP now has, and as i will soon if things continue this way

I dont want that to happen however, and i am attempting to work with GMs to help improve the issue, and prevent such things from continuing to occur.

And that thread has provided stupid reasons for getting a new server that have already been beaten down by us who don't believe a new server is needed. Also, the reasons that thread has come up with have been proven to be unaffected by creating new servers in the past. The OP of that thread also has it in his head that everyone is going to play fair just because.

heybigbadj wrote: »

First off, thanks Zion for approaching the topic with what it was created to inspire: MATURE RESPONSES CONTAINING NO FLAMING. Yes, I am still not going to play this game again unless a new server comes out, but let me make something perfectly clear to people like Magichamsta. I have 3 characters, level 70+ thank you very much, and among those a herc veno (which i actually farmed for in game!) So don't tell me I don't know how to "work". The purpose of this thread based on a new server is that competing on the older servers is exactly that-WORKING. Don't tell me I don't know what work is, or that I am lazy. If you want to flame, do it on a thread that was not created with the intent of mature responses, EVEN IF YOU DISAGREE. Simply put, perhaps your own immaturity and self confidence issues should not drive you to TRASH OTHER PEOPLE'S IDEAS!

If you want a mature response, here it is: We will need a new server when the amount of players begins to press the limits of the current servers. At this time, this is not the case, therefore we do not need a new server. This explanation has been given to us by GMs and MODs multiple times. If you don't like that explanation, then tough noodles.

Now, if you both are leaving, thanks for playing the game. And losing. b:bye

heybigbadj · November 2009

Angel__sora - Sanctuary wrote: »

And that thread has provided stupid reasons for getting a new server that have already been beaten down by us who don't believe a new server is needed. Also, the reasons that thread has come up with have been proven to be unaffected by creating new servers in the past. The OP of that thread also has it in his head that everyone is going to play fair just because.

If you want a mature response, here it is: We will need a new server when the amount of players begins to press the limits of the current servers. At this time, this is not the case, therefore we do not need a new server. This explanation has been given to us by GMs and MODs multiple times. If you don't like that explanation, then tough noodles.

Now, if you both are leaving, thanks for playing the game. And losing. b:bye

Thanks for not only repeating things that have already been said like a broken record, but for also being yet another annoying kid. GTFO level 17, with a lower brain activity level.

Zion - Dreamweaver · November 2009

angel, you really should stop because you make yourself look like a fool every time you post. Every reason you have given against a new server has been provided with a real response as to why it may or may not be the case. The fact of the matter is, that the devs will provide us with a new server only when they feel it would benefit them financially. We have provided reasons as to why we feel that a new server would benefit them. The fact that you disagree with us is fine, you are entitled to your oppinion. but for some reason you dont think that we are entitled to ours.

your posts are unnecessary because you present the same arguments multiple times. And it is a valid arguement, the servers are not at capacity. But saying that 100 times does not benefit anyone, it only frustrates people.

As i said in the other topic, the GM eatswithspoons posted on the very first page that the original poster was aware that the servers were not full at this time. the OP is a friend of mine so i am aware that they discussed the matter at great lengths before spoons agreed with him that it would be prudent to hear from others that support the idea. Others that SUPPORT the idea. Flaming our posts here and in the other topic because the servers are not full is just trolling, and it is against the ToS. So please stop.

Angel__sora - Sanctuary · November 2009

heybigbadj wrote: »

Thanks for not only repeating things that have already been said like a broken record, but for also being yet another annoying kid. GTFO level 17, with a lower brain activity level.

Well, if we've already told you the reason why we're not getting a new server, why do you continue to post the same useless reasons as to why we need one? b:cute

And you say everyone else's posts are immature flames? I find that quite amusing indeed. b:chuckle

Zion - Dreamweaver wrote: »

angel, you really should stop because you make yourself look like a fool every time you post. Every reason you have given against a new server has been provided with a real response as to why it may or may not be the case. The fact of the matter is, that the devs will provide us with a new server only when they feel it would benefit them financially. We have provided reasons as to why we feel that a new server would benefit them. The fact that you disagree with us is fine, you are entitled to your oppinion. but for some reason you dont think that we are entitled to ours.

your posts are unnecessary because you present the same arguments multiple times. And it is a valid arguement, the servers are not at capacity. But saying that 100 times does not benefit anyone, it only frustrates people.

As i said in the other topic, the GM eatswithspoons posted on the very first page that the original poster was aware that the servers were not full at this time. the OP is a friend of mine so i am aware that they discussed the matter at great lengths before spoons agreed with him that it would be prudent to hear from others that support the idea. Others that SUPPORT the idea. Flaming our posts here and in the other topic because the servers are not full is just trolling, and it is against the ToS. So please stop.

You've provided them the reasons that the in-game economy needs to be fixed and TW map needs to be fixed and we're getting new classes. I present the same argument against these because it's the best you seem to be able to come up with. And you present the same thing over and over and over again. Kinda like the broken record that you said that I was. The GMs and MODs have clearly stated that we won't get a new server until the old ones reach capacity. Why can't you just accept that and move on? By the way, I did read what spoons said in that other thread, and he said that he'd like to hear what EVERYONE thought of it, not just the ones that support it. Taking what the GMs say out of context doesn't help your cause either, I'm afraid.

One last thing. The OP is your friend? Or is you? Because I find it hard to believe that you could post within three minutes of him simply because both you were watching this thread like vultures.

heybigbadj · November 2009

Angel__sora - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well, if we've already told you the reason why we're not getting a new server, why do you continue to post the same useless reasons as to why we need one? b:cute

And you say everyone else's posts are immature flames? I find that quite amusing indeed. b:chuckle

You've provided them the reasons that the in-game economy needs to be fixed and TW map needs to be fixed and we're getting new classes. I present the same argument against these because it's the best you seem to be able to come up with. And you present the same thing over and over and over again. Kinda like the broken record that you said that I was. The GMs and MODs have clearly stated that we won't get a new server until the old ones reach capacity. Why can't you just accept that and move on? By the way, I did read what spoons said in that other thread, and he said that he'd like to hear what EVERYONE thought of it, not just the ones that support it. Taking what the GMs say out of context doesn't help your cause either, I'm afraid.

One last thing. The OP is your friend? Or is you? Because I find it hard to believe that you could post within three minutes of him simply because both you were watching this thread like vultures.

WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR REASONS WHY OTHER PLAYERS THINK A NEW SERVER WILL NOT HAPPEN!!! We know already, stfu! The point is, we like the idea of new servers. And get off my topic.

Angel__sora - Sanctuary · November 2009

heybigbadj wrote: »

WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR REASONS WHY OTHER PLAYERS THINK A NEW SERVER WILL NOT HAPPEN!!! We know already, stfu! The point is, we like the idea of new servers. And get off my topic.

So...you're saying this thread is nothing but spam and should be locked? b:question

Oh, spoons~! b:chuckle

For the record, those are also reasons why I don't think we need a new server.

Taranta - Dreamweaver · November 2009

heybigbadj wrote: »

Here are the things that I believe, and that I have also heard from other people quite often:

1.New Classes? Who wants to start brand new characters, and spend MONTHS leveling them to even have a CHANCE to be near catching up to other old players levels? (Unless you oracle due to already being rich)

2. On old servers, there is simply NO WAY to catch up to the high levels, and actually enjoy the game as if you are playing, rather than working... unless you oracle or grind for months and months (At least a month and a half even if you don't even work or go to school!)

3. A New server really helps to stimulate players continued interest in the game, where as right now, I know many people have quit as a result of the events that only made the rich richer (and higher level due to using oracles) and the poor who started on the server late just have to deal with the depressing thought that, well, they NEVER WILL catch up and enjoy the game.

4. Something I know the Developers would love: An Increase of zen charges, which I am 100 percent confident would more than pay the developers/gms back for the fees and effort which would result from creating a new server.

Ok, I'm going to say that I do not support the spread to a new server, but it's not for capacity's sake or the common commentary that "the GM's said...", but other reasoning. I'll counter-argue your points, so please try to be calm with this.

1) New Classes: Yes, many people will start new characters with the new classes. However, with the current server spread, it will be far easier to see how these classes group together with the existing ones, and having a fallback of a high level character is never a bad thing. If someone blows a stealth/debuff with either of the new classes, a high level can step in and save them from potential exp loss and moreover, loss of interest due to challenge.

2) High Levels: Don't get me wrong, I know I can't catch some of the oldest players, even on a young server like Dreamweaver. However, these players do give a goal to shoot for. You see them, you see the gear, the skills, and the general approach of an endgamer. I had actually considered leaving before I started getting along with some high levels. I'm to the point where I'm now trying to pass them, sans oracles, because its a minor challenge that I'd like to achieve. Plus, although a large number are rude, more are simply bored and looking to bring more to their level. (PVE Server talking here)

3) Player Interest: In my opinion, this can't be controlled by a server. If you want to play this game, you will. As for events, I do agree that there has to be some change there, as many of the high levels exploit these due to a larger coin purse. Perhaps level specific events (e.g. certain requirements for levels 1-20, 21-40, 41-60...) or race specific events. There is an immense amount of growth here, and I'd rather see existing servers grow stronger communities compared to a whole new one being spawned, a large percentage of the players having already played on other servers.

4) Increased Funds for Devs: I fail to see the correlation here, but I might not be seeing the whole picture. A new server, containing mainly the hardcore players/total newbies probably wouldn't create much of a cash influx. The hardcore would probably just split their funding over another server, and the newbies, not knowing what things do, would either stick with fashion (which would be on every server) or avoid the CS altogether. An alternative would be a changing of the pricing of CS items in accordance to supposed rarity, so elite items fit more into that category, instead of being cheaper than some mid-rarity items.

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Some ideas if a new server were to be implimented.

1) Make it rp specific. Allow the people who want to do more than just e-peen about how many other people/mobs they can kill have a place within this game as well. I've come across a few rp-ers in game, and typically, they complain of being interrupted by some random person who doesn't get what they're doing. Maybe charge a small amount to join? Options abound.

2) Challenge server. That's right. Make the hard things harder. Let those who want to play a game that destroys them unless they play smart have a home. Increase death penalty, lower drop rates, and make it more of a difficulty to solo. Make a tight-knit community. Then drop a bomb on it by allowing pk at level 30.

3) Ultimate territory server. Allow those who TW to truly work for what they get. Keep the large territories, but you'd have to work for every area within them. Up the number of simultaneous battles. This would probably allow for more people/groups to join in tw, as no single group could possibly defend everywhere. Allows the pvp oriented folks a home without giving it all to the high levels.

Q - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Morganna - Lost City wrote: »

You have just as good of a chance to be the highest tideborn on the server wherever you go. I don't think we need new servers.

haha actually no I don't since all the rich cash shoppers will use oracles to level them..

Zion - Dreamweaver · November 2009

taranta, i LOVE the idea of making a more challenging server. In all honesty, this game really is a bit too easy. Its a lot of fun but not really challenging in some aspects. Making higher penalties for deaths and such, and making TW harder to capture and defend would be great.

eatwithspoons wrote: »

I've discussed that with the OP and he is aware, but I still want to hear what people who support this idea have to say. More feedback means more community support when we do decide to add one, although one thread isn't going to make or break the idea of a new server it definitely won't hurt when the time comes b:victory

would u like me to read this to you again angel? I bolded the part that you dont seem to want to read. And maybe since you were clearly wrong about this, you should go back and read some of the things I posted in the other thread, because you never actually shot down any of my ideas. You were content to argue with Ara.

Now please listen to what im about to say because its the only time i am going to be nice and say it. I dont know what reasons you have for fighting to not have a new server. But myself, and many others WANT a new one. So we are fighting for our goal by trying to convince the devs that there could be some financial gain for them if they opened one. We are quite aware of the fact that the current servers we have are not full.

The reason i want a new server, is because the servers we have now, are boring. This is a F2P game, and i have actually had a friend offer to lvl me from 30-75 using oracles if i would come back and play a tideborn class, but i turned him down because i play to have fun. And just having levels thrown at me is not fun for me. So i'd like a new server, so that i can have a chance to grind and lvl up with the most dedicated non-cashers PW has to offer, before they start an event and give out lvls for money. At that point, my main focus will be TW, because the other part i enjoy about the game is the politics and strategies that are involved with TW. So you could say i enjoy the game itself as advertised as f2p, but when it stops being a f2p game like the current servers we have, it ceases to be enjoyable to myself and many others.

Angel__sora - Sanctuary wrote: »

One last thing. The OP is your friend? Or is you? Because I find it hard to believe that you could post within three minutes of him simply because both you were watching this thread like vultures.

the OP of the other topic is my friend. And the OP of this thread is not me. If it was me how could i post something so long 3 minutes after posting what he says? your logic is backwards.

Q - Dreamweaver · November 2009

I also agree we should have new servers it would make the game fun again

. One downside I do see though is the new servers becoming overrun with Tideborns while lacking other classes. The best idea would be to release Tideborns and then a month later release a new server.

Zion - Dreamweaver · November 2009

Q - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I also agree we should have new servers it would make the game fun again . One downside I do see though is the new servers becoming overrun with Tideborns while lacking other classes. The best idea would be to release Tideborns and then a month later release a new server.

I concur

sandaili · November 2009

The post makes little sense.

I'm a new player. I just started on PWI. There are plenty of other newbies around. It all takes work. To start fresh on a new server would be nice, but it makes little sense as to why just because new classes are coming, they shoudl all start equal on a new server.

If that's the case, everyone who is ever playing the game, should get to start on a new server. See why this doesn't make sense?

Plenty of people start new every day, and have the same issue. The thing is, eventually you'll get there. You just have to be patient.

RainbowVidel - Sanctuary · November 2009

heybigbadj wrote: »

I know there are many other topics precisely like this.

Then there was no reason to start yet another. Should have posted in one of the already existing threads instead.

heybigbadj wrote: »

Do not post about how the GMs will never create new servers until the absolute need arises.

They already stated exactly that and there's already existing threads on the subject. Again, post in them instead. Why is that so difficult for people like you to understand?

Mmorpglover - Lost City · November 2009

1. I woumd love new characters
2. No new servers **** does high lvl **** let them live in their own world

Mmorpglover - Lost City · November 2009

dam typed wrong

Mmorpglover - Lost City · November 2009

1. I would like to have new characters

bolloiskrem · November 2009

The GMs will never create new servers until the absolute need arises.

Aelfieurin - Harshlands · November 2009

how about you guys stop arguing about who's fameing or trolling and stating the same thing over and over again, just talk about the actuall reasons that we need or do not need a new server, state your opinion and then leave it at that please, it seems to me that most of this thread is just you too argueing.

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