Best PKer - Tank v. Hybrid v. Arcane?

WerewovenRAM - Lost City
WerewovenRAM - Lost City Posts: 29 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Barbarian
Well even if barbs are "usually" tanks we're all aware of DD builds and arc. build and others.

I myself was a hybrid that changed over to tank in early 50s going by the builds on Dai's guide.

Now my question is after a couple of duels and pks who has the better pk build?
When putting barbs against barbs-not other classes. One can always say oh it depends on your own skill as a pvper but this i claim to be bull :]
My build and armor will keep most 50- from killing me when I'm afk unless they're popping out nixes and poisoning and stacking builds and what not for around 2 minutes. If I catch them on my screen when i get back- 2 shot b:victory
But I can be biased since I'm adept at pvp using only archers and mages, not barbs. This question came up when I ran a fb49/51 with a friend who's barb was at the time below lvl55 (forgot spec). He used his own custom build and when we dueled even when I didnt get stunned I'd end up losing with him usually having 1/3rd or 1/2 hp left.

It is some form of a hybrid build as far as I know but a DD one? I'm not sure. When I get specifics from him I'll post. But even with my stronger attacks and blood bath I've missed several times and ultimately lost 2/3 even if by a bit. However this is quite pathetic b:surrender seeing he's around 10lvls lower than I am. Obviously a hybrid who puts more dex will lead me to miss more but the atx I've hit with should've wiped him before I was wiped.

I didn't much pay attention to the attacks he used but I was buffed with beast king and titan's str lvl8 ea using beastial onslaught->penetrate armor->garrotte(am i spelling it rite? o.0)->basic stun skill (forgot the name b:shocked)->n. atk->n. atk->back to beastial onslaught if he's alive. Usually this works and i'd win but if it misses i find myself screwed because i almost never pk in tiger form unless I'm bored or trying to scare lowbies xD

once i flesh realm'd a dude 2x and he ran like heck..died as he stepped into sz :D stupid archer b:chuckle

And this leads to my question-which build is better at pvp (against one another) in your opinion? And what are your best/worst pvp moments? Any personal tactics you like dishing out on suckers?
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  • Silver - Dreamweaver
    Silver - Dreamweaver Posts: 403 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Well idk about many of people but when u think Barb you think Armaggedon. So in order to have good damage on Arma you need to be tank. Also if you want to get BETTER damage on Arma you need Axes because they have the best spike damage and not including the most Zerk weapons.

    So pretty much Barb brb revolves around Armaggedon, so whatever get you better damage when you do it will be the best choice.
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  • Mythsoul - Heavens Tear
    Mythsoul - Heavens Tear Posts: 310 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    lol make a tank build BM
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  • LeGaCYBarB - Harshlands
    LeGaCYBarB - Harshlands Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Silver - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Well idk about many of people but when u think Barb you think Armaggedon. So in order to have good damage on Arma you need to be tank. Also if you want to get BETTER damage on Arma you need Axes because they have the best spike damage and not including the most Zerk weapons.

    So pretty much Barb brb revolves around Armaggedon, so whatever get you better damage when you do it will be the best choice.

    well not to start any problems or anything but i totally disagree with this statement. armaggedon still can miss. and in order to actually succeed u would need accuracy. imo dex/vit barb is the best for pvp. keeping str at a minimum and shooting up dex and vit evenly (for me anyway) i get str / dex / vit gear to save extra points from being used in certain stats. for instance if i keep str at a minimum i use str bonused gear to give me the extra stat points so i can put more in dex or vit. it does have an affect if u change your gear yea but thats y i find something with similar bonuses so i dont have to worry about it. in pvp i would roll dex build for barb cuz a tank build barb will hardly ever hit or land an armaggedon. but when they do dont get me wrong...it hurts like a ****. but u being an archer (if ur dex build) u should know how often an armageddon can miss on u.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    LeGaCYBarB - Harshlands wrote: »
    .... armaggedon still can miss. and in order to actually succeed u would need accuracy. imo dex/vit barb is the best for pvp.....

    At least one misty ring + accuracy powder = no misses (even on archers).

    A zerk wep (any wep that allows you the skill use really) = massive damage.

    But yes I think the best PvP barb would be one with a Str/Dex build and a awful awful lot of refines on his armor. He would have a tankers HP (for arma) while also having awesome damage and accuracy.

    If we keep gears equal tho....(i.e. same level of refines) then the tanker will still pwn the str/dex guy with his totally uber perdition.
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  • PinkSuccubuS - Lost City
    PinkSuccubuS - Lost City Posts: 74 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    that statment is wrong in so many ways i have a full DEX fist la bm wish have more evesion then archer and gues what class almost never MISS with skill yes barbs why i have 0 clue but archer miss bm epic miss barb miss the least from all tree and that is soo wierd in so many way i mean not regular skill but skill and not bloodlust cos even with it u would still have 2 we at 40% miss cos barb have so little dex and all and i have waaay more evesion then archer and they still can land hits now u tell me whats this shi_t is all about
    oooh my bm is lv60 bm and without will off budha wish i dont have yet have 2500 evesion i dobt a barb will have even 2k acc at that lv sooo tell me b:angry whyyy in hell dot barb MISS b:angry
  • LeGaCYBarB - Harshlands
    LeGaCYBarB - Harshlands Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    PinkSuccubuS - Lost City wrote: »
    that statment is wrong in so many ways i have a full DEX fist la bm wish have more evesion then archer and gues what class almost never MISS with skill yes barbs why i have 0 clue but archer miss bm epic miss barb miss the least from all tree and that is soo wierd in so many way i mean not regular skill but skill and not bloodlust cos even with it u would still have 2 we at 40% miss cos barb have so little dex and all and i have waaay more evesion then archer and they still can land hits now u tell me whats this shi_t is all about
    oooh my bm is lv60 bm and without will off budha wish i dont have yet have 2500 evesion i dobt a barb will have even 2k acc at that lv sooo tell me b:angry whyyy in hell dot barb MISS b:angry

    well this topic is based on barb vs barb on who will win but a barb in tiger form will never miss cuz flesh ream is 100% accurate. a barb in human form will never miss with mighty swing which is the stun skill. beastial onslaught, if it hits, will decrease ur evasion by a certain % depending on the skill lvl. my beastial onslaught skill at lvl 4 when hitting a target decreases their evasion by 32% so u add that up and for a lvl 10 beastial onslaught skill to succeed and not miss. that is a good amount of evasion cut off.
  • Gorsin - Dreamweaver
    Gorsin - Dreamweaver Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    b:shocked dex/vit build for me. especially in pvp. i dont even use misty's and i only miss 1/10 times with bloodbath on. id rather have 4% more crit then another 700 accuracy.
  • Paigrande - Harshlands
    Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Tank build is the best cuz u can one shot ppl easily with an armaggedon which is the only skill that barbarians hav that can definitely kill most classes nd since it based on how much HP u hav, the more deadly it becomes with tank build plus u will always b ganked on pvp nd tank build allows u to survive more so its best overall xD... Hybrid is also good if u still got sum good refinement on your gear nd allowing u to hav massive HP but best build imho is tank build.
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I would 'lol' so hard if I saw an Arcane barb in PK.

    Tank build, massive HP means hardcore ganking to bring you down.
  • WerewovenRAM - Lost City
    WerewovenRAM - Lost City Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Paigrande - Harshlands wrote: »
    Tank build is the best cuz u can one shot ppl easily with an armaggedon which is the only skill that barbarians hav that can definitely kill most classes nd since it based on how much HP u hav, the more deadly it becomes with tank build plus u will always b ganked on pvp nd tank build allows u to survive more so its best overall xD... Hybrid is also good if u still got sum good refinement on your gear nd allowing u to hav massive HP but best build imho is tank build.

    Even without refinement if u think about it by my lvl a hybrid my lvl would have at least 20 more dex than me and some wear different ornaments or so pumping the dex. Even so it'd be 4% (I have a xmas blessing) to 5% or 6%(with xmas blessing) but adding additional items/preferably the same ones, the tank would miss a lot more than the hybrid which does more crits. Armageddon isn't our only killing tool... I can use solid shield or invoke the spirit and go in for the kill with beastial onslaught and penetrate armor followed wit mighty swing. That not only kills more efficiently but it saves chi. We don't build chi like BMs do ykno >.< Your tank's def would be low enough to kill you quickly, not that hybrid's do waaaay lower dmg than tanks do. Plus there's still a heavy chance that Armageddon will miss even with ur bloodbath on. And bloodbath will give u lower hp making the job all the more easier.
  • SchwarzeWolf - Lost City
    SchwarzeWolf - Lost City Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i dont know about all you baddie wb that are missing that much with perdition but why are you not using onslaught before you use perdition.

    1. it does massive damage (to get them just above their charm tick)
    2. reduces evasion (tada now you will not miss)
    3. quick cast time (no time lost in pvp)

    And if you are really having that much trouble with your acc, THAT IS WHAT BLOOD BATH IS MADE FOR.

    personally i am a full vit wb with 59dex white base, with tree of protection i can get up to 19.4k hp for perdition.

    i can solo most classes with about the most trouble i have is with WR and their stun lock (but that is what anti-stun pots and our 79 skill is for)

    this does not even take into account the fact in mass pvp i almost never die, mostly because i just fly around perditioning everyone i can and then kiting away when i get focus fired.
  • WerewovenRAM - Lost City
    WerewovenRAM - Lost City Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    SchwarzeWolf - Lost City wrote: »
    i dont know about all you baddie wb that are missing that much with perdition but why are you not using onslaught before you use perdition.

    1. it does massive damage (to get them just above their charm tick)
    2. reduces evasion (tada now you will not miss)
    3. quick cast time (no time lost in pvp)

    And if you are really having that much trouble with your acc, THAT IS WHAT BLOOD BATH IS MADE FOR.

    personally i am a full vit wb with 59dex white base, with tree of protection i can get up to 19.4k hp for perdition.

    i can solo most classes with about the most trouble i have is with WR and their stun lock (but that is what anti-stun pots and our 79 skill is for)

    this does not even take into account the fact in mass pvp i almost never die, mostly because i just fly around perditioning everyone i can and then kiting away when i get focus fired.

    o.o well even with blood bath beastial onslaught sometimes misses. I have yet to get the 79 skill since i'm in the early 60s or ToP on my genie yet since its spots are all filled. B. Onslaught starts off most of my macros but they fail to take full effect if b.onslaught misses which happens. Then perdition misses. I like to stick to using a solid shield and tearing at them with flesh realm over and over.
    I believe there are pots that lower channeling speed, I'll be putting that to good use with my solid shield and my venom stinger to make up for half the lost speed and bleed them enough to do well even if I miss later. That is, if some1 is carrying a crapload of hp like urself. I currently have 6.6k hp with the lvl9 hp buff.
  • SchwarzeWolf - Lost City
    SchwarzeWolf - Lost City Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    sadly in their 6x-86 most wb are kinda gimped in pk against just about all classes. we really only have 2-3 pk skills total and most wb finish leveling all their skills (based on spirit req, might change depending on your genie) at 86.

    That being said i knew that i would hit 9x pretty fast if i kept my head low and just plowed on pve-ing till 90. Once a wb gets their 90 gear, maxed skills, a decent str based genie (occult ice, tangling mire, tree of protection are musts). It gives you a taste of how over powered WB become at endgame status.

    example: a half health perdition on CrazyPolter (either 99 or 100 i forgot, archer) dealt 6.8k damage, non-crit, with the HH99 gold axes (so no zerk, and +1)

    Advice to wb who want to pk: stick to your strengths, most wb have 3 mods for their hp (swindler HH90necklace, HP buff, and Tiger form), and our BY FAR most powerful skill is based solely on our health (and mana).

    There is no such thing as too little HP.
  • Hazardus - Heavens Tear
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear Posts: 937 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    WerewovenRAM - Lost City wrote: »
    .....go in for the kill with beastial onslaught and penetrate armor followed wit mighty swing......

    I think you might wanna reverse that bit.

    Start with swing, followed by penetrate armor then onslaught and then perdition. If you use an accuracy pot, none of that is gonna miss.
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  • Kamen - Harshlands
    Kamen - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    arcane barb FTW b:victory
  • WerewovenRAM - Lost City
    WerewovenRAM - Lost City Posts: 29 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Hazardus - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I think you might wanna reverse that bit.

    Start with swing, followed by penetrate armor then onslaught and then perdition. If you use an accuracy pot, none of that is gonna miss.

    o.o Don't think i get accu pots til 65. Don't remember seeing any at apo, maybe I'm blind b:surrender

    Only reason i don't do it the way u suggested (often, i do have a macros) is because of the fact that i don't have the accu and need to hope i get lucky more oft (that's debatable tho). Haven't been farming herbs as much as mines lately anyhow.

    I just found it at previous levels to be more logical and successful to reduce their evas with B. onslaught first and then get to tearing them up and it still works (sometimes) so why not?

    Plus it becomes a pain in the **** to kno i wont be able to continue to pvp or even kill well pve-ing in some cases unless i spend long boring moments finding a good area and harvesting for an hour or so to get enough herbs to make pots that'll last me at most 2~3 days of 4~5 hour gaming.

    Not that bad but quite the nuisance. q_q
    >.>




    Also a question for the 79+ barbs- What armor sets and weaps do you guys use for pvp? Have you used them against other barbs? Usually when I'm thinking end game i'm thinking mountain crusher set refined and calloused lionheart zerk. Yet against any other class (except BM), I'd use the lvl 90 Brute armor set for its slight spd. inc and lots of elem. protection.

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