Unbalanced in beginning?

Vaelgrad - Heavens Tear
Vaelgrad - Heavens Tear Posts: 8 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Dungeons & Tactics
Hello people, i've played a little and played all classes except veno to notice that humans are slightly disadvantaged?

Elves fly as from lvl 1 and yes there is a mana cost but for traveling it is seriously insignificant. Barbs and venos have white tiger/fox form to make them go faster, but humans have.... nothing? I mean a lvl 9 blademaster can get sprint but it doesn't match up to flying or the increased speed of animal forms

(PS i know the first elven wings do not change speed but flying has serious advantages when you need to get pass enemies or want to explore)

Secondly, the city of the lost and the city of plume are ridiculously close to one another and so much closer to arch than etherblade; for my first character (BM) i had to sprint through orange mobs (lol i admit it was kinda fun XD) but still.

Then again my reasoning would go that wizards and blademasters are tough enough to surivive within their own kind or even solo before arch... however also are Untamed and Elves! XD I'm big on cooperation, diversity and teamwork, which you get a lot when in arch or get in a faction (mine is awesome XD). So for new players that pick Elves/Untamed they get a more let me say "racially" diverse early start environment?

This isn't a rant or complaint, i just wanted to know if you felt the same :)

(PS Venos seem to love me and so do clerics XD and I love them back don't worry XD)
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Elven wings use mp. When barbs are in TF they cant attack their human form skills. So all their advantages also have disadvantages. Also, I believe wizards have the highest PVE damage. Not sure though. So really,all their "advantages" also have disadvantages. Hope I helped.
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  • Mamiko_mao - Sanctuary
    Mamiko_mao - Sanctuary Posts: 115 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Clerics have the slowest walk speed in the game.
    Also: Venos do NOT gain a speed bonus in Fox Form.
    Barbs need the tiger speed because they don't have any real ranged attacks (unless you're some Bowbarian...)

    Humans are the middle of the road, it seems to me.

    So, not really... seems fair enough to me.
  • Vaelgrad - Heavens Tear
    Vaelgrad - Heavens Tear Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Well thanks a lot for the replies :)
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Clerics have the slowest walk speed in the game.
    Also: Venos do NOT gain a speed bonus in Fox Form.
    Barbs need the tiger speed because they don't have any real ranged attacks (unless you're some Bowbarian...)

    Humans are the middle of the road, it seems to me.

    BSBSBS

    Clerics are not the slowest. Clerics and Wizards are the slowest. They have the same run speed.

    Veno do gain a speed bonus when shifting in and out of Fox Form, but only if they have Demon Fox Form. Otherwise, no, their only speed increase comes from Summer Sprint.

    And yes, since you're playing a BM, if you're built right and do your job, you tend to save the squishies a lot of trouble. b:sad I have to find a replacement BM since the one I leveled up with is quitting.

    As far as movement speed is concerned, the base speed puts Archers, Venos, and BMs together which all have the same speed (sort of). Outside of Tiggy form, barbs run as slow as clerics and wizards.

    The white wings do gain speed if the player levels up Flight Mastery. The brown ones that they get at L30 do not and maintain the +.50 no matter what. It is a good idea to look into getting Cash Shop aero though.
  • Arkright - Dreamweaver
    Arkright - Dreamweaver Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    It does seem a bit unfair in the beginning, but seeing as humans stirred the hornets nest throughout the game, I don't blame the devs for making them weak. Even they must have disliked them in the end lol. :3
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    b:sad BMs are my favorite back ups though! I can't count how many times I've been saved by a BM in an instance (Dungeon, TT, etc). A majority of the time when I run TT I have a wizzy as my DD. I love the humans! (Of course I like the others too, but Clerics and BMs are my top two favorites after Venos.)
  • Angel__sora - Sanctuary
    Angel__sora - Sanctuary Posts: 213 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Secondly, the city of the lost and the city of plume are ridiculously close to one another and so much closer to arch than etherblade; for my first character (BM) i had to sprint through orange mobs (lol i admit it was kinda fun XD) but still.

    You know that you could have swam the whole way there through non-aggressive turtle mobs? b:sweat
    One man's pain is another man's lol.
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  • Seiowan - Harshlands
    Seiowan - Harshlands Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    You know that you could have swam the whole way there through non-aggressive turtle mobs?
    Heh, if you believe they're all non-aggressive you haven't swam far enough! I was killed on my way into Etherblade trying that, a literal stonesthrow from the newbie area!
  • TsukiTenshi - Sanctuary
    TsukiTenshi - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    Secondly, the city of the lost and the city of plume are ridiculously close to one another

    -.-;;;;

    Close as in on the map even though the untamed territory is full of hills/mountains >.< and those mountains are steep! Takes forever flying

    Not to mention all those high lvl monsters that await after you get up that mountain....
    and so much closer to arch than etherblade; for my first character (BM) i had to sprint through orange mobs (lol i admit it was kinda fun XD) but still.

    In my opion etherblade is closer... cause I have a land mount...
    So going to lost/plume takes me longer...
    Since there's water in between....

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    But still is not like every other class is perfect....

    Like Barbs - pay so much repair fees
    Clerics - Poor (lower lvls anyways) cause skills are so expensive >.<
    Venos - Apparntly they are hated?
    Spoons is a very nice GM b:cute
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    -.-;;;;

    Close as in on the map even though the untamed territory is full of hills/mountains >.< and those mountains are steep! Takes forever flying

    Not to mention all those high lvl monsters that await after you get up that mountain....



    In my opion etherblade is closer... cause I have a land mount...
    So going to lost/plume takes me longer...
    Since there's water in between....

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    But still is not like every other class is perfect....

    Like Barbs - pay so much repair fees
    Clerics - Poor (lower lvls anyways) cause skills are so expensive >.<
    Venos - Apparntly they are hated?

    your opinions be not counted.
    (>.<)' heck everywhere is fast with cash shop fly and/or ground mounts lol.
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  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited October 2009
    But still is not like every other class is perfect....

    Like Barbs - pay so much repair fees
    Clerics - Poor (lower lvls anyways) cause skills are so expensive >.<
    Venos - Apparntly they are hated?

    b:sad I'm hated? Aww. Okay maybe a little, but with reason. On the other hand, all the people I've helped out appreciate me. Yes, venos tend to catch a lot of flak because they are the "do-all" class in the game. They also catch flak when they don't have the legendary pets that are now available. People think that in order for a veno to be good they need to have the legendary pets. Not true. A veno can be awesome without them, but it does help to have them. Damned if you do and damned if you don't really. :(
  • Vaelgrad - Heavens Tear
    Vaelgrad - Heavens Tear Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    -.-;;;;

    Close as in on the map even though the untamed territory is full of hills/mountains >.< and those mountains are steep! Takes forever flying

    Not to mention all those high lvl monsters that await after you get up that mountain....



    In my opion etherblade is closer... cause I have a land mount...
    So going to lost/plume takes me longer...
    Since there's water in between....

    ~~~~~~~~~~

    But still is not like every other class is perfect....

    Like Barbs - pay so much repair fees
    Clerics - Poor (lower lvls anyways) cause skills are so expensive >.<
    Venos - Apparntly they are hated?

    Okay now that post, just no, no lol XD

    Yeah sure it may take some time with the mountains(but i think you're really impatient there) but the distance between plume and lost is ridicously small compared to etherblade and by the way a large group of people don't use cash shop mounts that basically eliminate any risk from all mobs but the ones that can one-hit-kill you... (if you didn't get it, because these things are flipping fast XD)

    Agreed for barbs but can make some decent money if farms a little (farming yay! XD)( I have a barb lol)
    As for clerics... ever played a BM? XD (Being poor at lower levels (which i still haven't experienced) is definitely not as bad as being poor at higher levels)
    And Venos... I love them and the message that i type the most while grinding is "ty invisible veno :)" XD And hating venos and not inviting them in a squad is just plain stupid they kick **** XD
  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    BSBSBS

    Clerics are not the slowest. Clerics and Wizards are the slowest. They have the same run speed.

    Veno do gain a speed bonus when shifting in and out of Fox Form, but only if they have Demon Fox Form. Otherwise, no, their only speed increase comes from Summer Sprint.

    And yes, since you're playing a BM, if you're built right and do your job, you tend to save the squishies a lot of trouble. b:sad I have to find a replacement BM since the one I leveled up with is quitting.

    As far as movement speed is concerned, the base speed puts Archers, Venos, and BMs together which all have the same speed (sort of). Outside of Tiggy form, barbs run as slow as clerics and wizards.

    The white wings do gain speed if the player levels up Flight Mastery. The brown ones that they get at L30 do not and maintain the +.50 no matter what. It is a good idea to look into getting Cash Shop aero though.

    Just one comment to make to the above comment (not meant to single out the above poster) xD.

    Anyways venos do get that accuracy increase. xD lol

    I realize this is going to sound a lot like a QQ, maybe it is... maybe I am nitpicking it to death, but I too have played the other two 'races,' (Untamed, and elves) and humans do seem to get some pretty hard quests to do, let alone have to walk around until they are level 30 or be a girl char and get flown everywhere. xD

    Also in my honest opinion it seems like humans are 'shafted' even in later levels, sure we get some pretty useful moves, but quite a few of them are pretty situational, and have a huge cooldown, and few of us barely mess with the negative channeling speed. (Blademasters) Not to mention how much easier it seems to be for the other races to survive (even later on.)

    Barbs have the major amount of hp, venos are (in a lot of people's opinion) the best class to solo with, very few mobs get to attack a veno up close and personal, let alone people. xD lol Archers have range on there side, and if there build is right/they use the right moves they can easily kill the mob before they get to them, and well Clerics hit pretty hard, and can heal themselves. Wizards can pretty much do the same as a archer, but if any melee mobs gets near them they are pretty much screwed, whereas a archer has a restiance to both. Now as for a bm... I could rant about them all day... Sure they can save squishies a lot, but when they do, or if a barb goes down they hardly ever seem to get the heals/thanks for saving the party from a wipe. xD Though one good thing they have going for them, is that if they can get in there stunlock, then you better watch out, even if your a veno. (though yes there are moves that even block stuns. xD) There is also the fact that if the bm puts out tons of cash for shards, etc... then yea he will be even more so of a foce to be reckoned with no matter what he or she is doing, whether it be PVP or PVE, though that is not easy doing at all, especially early on.

    In short, yes in my opinion humans are unbalanced in the beginning, and maybe even in the end game. (but this could just be my opinion.) xD So if you want a easier time finding a group/overall game play I would say go for another race/class.

    One more thing I don't/didn't like is hard the level 4 quest (for the charm) is for the blademasters/wizards, (effectively known as Try to leap, for humans) that quest was so annoying to do on my blademaster, and I have still yet to complete it on my wizard (though he is lacking in levels, only 21 atm, but still its one huge pain in the **** quest if you don't know what your doing.)
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  • TsukiTenshi - Sanctuary
    TsukiTenshi - Sanctuary Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Okay now that post, just no, no lol XD

    Yeah sure it may take some time with the mountains(but i think you're really impatient there) but the distance between plume and lost is ridicously small compared to etherblade and by the way a large group of people don't use cash shop mounts that basically eliminate any risk from all mobs but the ones that can one-hit-kill you... (if you didn't get it, because these things are flipping fast XD)
    your opinions be not counted.
    (>.<)' heck everywhere is fast with cash shop fly and/or ground mounts lol.
    me 72 still using basic aerosword. T.T'

    I suppose...
    I still think Etherblade is closer to Archo..
    And once you get to like 40s there's not really anything stopping you...
    And it was a gift! From a very generous friend/guidie
    If it wasn't for her I would be just like everyone else who can't afford mounts.
    And Venos... I love them and the message that i type the most while grinding is "ty invisible veno :)" XD And hating venos and not inviting them in a squad is just plain stupid they kick **** XD
    I'm hated? Aww. Okay maybe a little, but with reason. On the other hand, all the people I've helped out appreciate me. Yes, venos tend to catch a lot of flak because they are the "do-all" class in the game. They also catch flak when they don't have the legendary pets that are now available. People think that in order for a veno to be good they need to have the legendary pets. Not true. A veno can be awesome without them, but it does help to have them. Damned if you do and damned if you don't really. :(

    Just to clear something up
    I have nothing against venos
    I think they are awesome
    I fight mobs with one
    It makes my life easier..
    I'm just saying that apparently some people out there dislike them....
    I see why but I really don't understand it...
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  • Phyrstormz - Harshlands
    Phyrstormz - Harshlands Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    as much as i like my bm, running everywhere is a huge pain

    loves my elf, just fly everywhere
    its quite the pain as a human to go anywhere without any speed at all
  • Genosuke - Heavens Tear
    Genosuke - Heavens Tear Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Archers, unlike clerics, have the mp draining wings, which cause them either to stop and rest before u run out of mp in a mob area, waste mp pots while flying, or ask for cleric buffs every 30mins.

    BMs can usually rush through mobs (but yes, running everywhere is a pain XD)
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Technically cleric wings also drain mana - and if someone were to be daft enough to make a full dex cleric they'd have exactly the same problems as archers with having enough mana regen.

    But yes, in the early levels, elves get flight. Which is fantastic! Untamed get to be fuzzy creatures and humans get, um... Poor little hunams.
  • Genosuke - Heavens Tear
    Genosuke - Heavens Tear Posts: 352 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Well, humans do have that speed skill, but like every other class, it has a disadvantage, cooldown in this case.

    So u cant really say its unbalanced in the beginning, u just need to know how to take the best of ur class skills ;)
  • Kazuato - Sanctuary
    Kazuato - Sanctuary Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    b:sad I'm hated? Aww. Okay maybe a little, but with reason. On the other hand, all the people I've helped out appreciate me. Yes, venos tend to catch a lot of flak because they are the "do-all" class in the game. They also catch flak when they don't have the legendary pets that are now available. People think that in order for a veno to be good they need to have the legendary pets. Not true. A veno can be awesome without them, but it does help to have them. Damned if you do and damned if you don't really. :(

    my Faction leader is a venos and she doesn't have Leg pets and we still like her lol but i can still see ur pt. bc most people want venos to have them

    back to topic- if u read most of the quest human are the most hated lol

    Read the winged tiger quest when u get it and u might understand wat i mean
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